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The Museum Of Creationism  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Right outside CVG.... I've always wondered if/when something like this would exist



ARTICLE HERE


Among the central tenets the center expresses/displays:
  • Dinosaurs and humans existed concurrently
  • Noah's flood carved out the Grand Canyon in a matter of days, using Mt. St.Helens as evidence
  • Earth and the universe itself is no more than 6000yrs-old
  • All species of creatures, past or present, were herbivorous at one point.

    ...interesting quote as well:

    Quote:
    Start accepting evolution or an ancient Earth, and the result is like the giant wrecking ball, labeled “Millions of Years,” that is shown smashing the ground at the foundation of a church, the cracks reaching across the gallery to a model of a home in which videos demonstrate the imminence of moral dissolution. A teenager is shown sitting at a computer; he is, we are told, looking at pornography.

    What say you types?

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    User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

    Those that deny the science of evolution are the real pornographers. One can believe in evolution and of a 'Supreme Being'. This so called 'museum' of extreme misinforation when seen by children may limit their later career choices in science related areas and encourages visitors to strictly follow the Bible, without questioning - that is the kind of non-thinking that leads to excessive religious involvement in our lives with negatave and offensive results.

    User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Right outside CVG

    Sounds like a great place to have an a.net get-together. We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    Actually, I'd like to see this exhibit:



    User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

    Here's a link to an entire list of such museums. I drive past one of the ones they list (Gallery of Creation in Stone Mountain, GA) several times a month.

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    Actually, I'd like to see this exhibit:

    All you need to do is head over to the Black Hills...

    Flintstones Bedrock City
    [http://www.flintstonesbedrockcity.com/]Official Website for Location in Custer, SD[/url]


    User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    Not a difficult task for some people.

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):

    DISCLAIMER: Not referring to anybody in this thread.


    User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    I think it would be even more fun to ask the employees intelligent and probing questions.  devil 



    Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
    User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9337 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

    Quoting TSS (Reply 5):
    I think it would be even more fun to ask the employees intelligent and probing questions.

    That's a great idea.

    CVG meet, anyone? I'm in.



    Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
    User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Dinosaurs and humans existed concurrently

    So Noah fitted a pair of every kind of dinosaur on the Ark? Must have been an even bigger boat than I thought. Or did he just leave them out all together? I suppose that would explain why they're not around anymore...

    Cheers
    Mats



    Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
    User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13190 posts, RR: 77
    Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

    Hate to tell our US members this, but these places have been reported about abroad, not hugely, not leading articles, but they are known about.
    All nations have things the normal mainstream wish/hope stays in country, since it is just way too embarrassing.
    This is yours I think, (we have the near 50 year career of recording artist Cliff Richard, as one example).

    And it is cited when making a point, since these follies pervert what was a great piece of real achievement and self image for the USA.
    It's huge science heritage, where to start? Manhattan Project, the Space Programme, all those famous labs, places of learning, the famous names, to give one example of the latter, the people funding, building these perversions of knowledge, would if they had been around then, considered Edison a heretic.

    Those achievements I noted of course are still valid, still on going, but when the anti science posture of the Bush Administration is mentioned, these 'museums' are often mentioned, even though the Federal Government has nothing to do with them.
    They are really the worst kind of image for you.

    If those who were responsible for these places had any real beliefs, they'd run with their anti modern science beliefs, not pick and mix as suits them.
    So no electricity, nothing powered by the same, no materials or building methods not around in Biblical times.
    No trace of any kind of internal combustion engines.
    None of them, or thier followers, should have ANY kind of medication or medical interventions that are post Biblical, since it is the Biological sciences they deny the most. This would also have the effect of soon clearing the gene pool of the very unintelligent, the in-bred, even the border line pyschos perhpas.
    You either believe in science, or you don't.

    But they won't do this, because of course they are about money, about power, about being still blow-hards now wearing the KKK gear is so last century.


    User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
    Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

    Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
    we have the near 50 year career of recording artist Cliff Richard, as one example).

    I used to sing 'Summer Holiday' in the shower when I was a kid. The Shadows are still considered guitar legends  Smile

    Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
    And it is cited when making a point, since these follies pervert what was a great piece of real achievement and self image for the USA.
    It's huge science heritage, where to start? Manhattan Project, the Space Programme, all those famous labs, places of learning,...

    Not to mention Trailer Homes, Shag Carpeting and other modern miracles.

    Do you get 'Penn and Teller's Bullsh*t' on TV out there - you'd love it! While I agree with you, it just as important that we are tolerant of idiocy - hallmark of a great nation. We don't want to start a second Inquisition of challenging irrational beliefs by the illiterate - already considered an 'elitist' view here! Only in a great and generous democracy can the mentally challenged attain positions of great power and influence. Hopefully we will not go the way of Animal Farm...

    Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
    They are really the worst kind of image for you.

    Isn't it actually kind of charming? Science and Rationality can be a form of Totalitarianism - Logic can crush human emotions and desires. After all the Nazis and Communists were big believers in the power of rational thinking (Eugenics, Marxism).

    All the idiotic stuff you see in the US (New Ageism, Homeopathy, etc) are actually secret weapons against the tyranny of industrialization and having to run faster and faster to keep in place...

    The smarter you are, the less happy you will be in life. Remember Schopenhauer's only companion was his dog when he died.


    User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13190 posts, RR: 77
    Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

    Oh, the rot set in after Cliff left the Shadows.

    But when does accepting diversity spill over into destroying education? Another issue you've had directly in schools.
    We don't now accept teaching the young to be racist, so why give all this BS a pass, children grow out of believing in Santa Claus.

    I don't see it as an issue of tolerance, these sorts of beliefs are worldwide, but in Western Societies, (except one), they are a very small minority who are, and should be, free to have these.
    However, to build all those museums, needs lots of cash and at least some political influence, does that not worry you?

    They never used to, this is a new age of irrational ism, how much more wealth and power will they get before it has a very serious effect on the US, economically, internationally, scientifically, maybe even damaging the very fabric of society?
    These people are fanatics, they really are the Western Taliban, if they got the chance, they'd be as repressive, violent and dangerous.

    I do think the US as a whole, would not allow this, but who can really say for sure? I cannot compare with my nation, since the question just does not arise, and we are as tolerant of faiths as any, in real life, forget what small (and diminishing power), the Church Of England has, and it's been generally very tolerant in modern times.
    The Archbishop Of Canterbury does not think humans and Dinosaurs co-existed, if he did and said so, you'd hear the laughter across the Pond.

    In Europe, very Catholic nations like France and of course Italy, are not theocratic, quite the opposite.

    But in these cases, a powerful, rich, lobbying bunch of backward fanatics, just do not exist.

    However, until his recent demise, Falwell did sort of prove that a least a kind of Dinosaur did exist with humans, but he's gone now, to hell if you believe that sort of thing.
    I don't, but then I don't recognise the Christian based teachings I was brought up with, such as forgiveness, not passing by on the other side, being your brothers keeper, love thy neighbour, with his and others hate filled spewings.
    No, they are more like Fascists, you call Muslim extremists Islamo-Fascists, rightly IMHO, but take a look closer to home too.
    He wanted people dead of AIDS to name one.
    He wanted more suffering and death, he and they all are, very materialistic, greedy, dishonest.

    I know of one member here, who uses his faith, through his church, to involve himself in charity work for those much in need, taking real time out to realise this, spending his money to help do good, to make life the Scripture.
    I may be an Atheist, but I respect that, I may not be a pacifist, but The Quakers are very sincere and contribute much in other ways doing a lot of good, not driving their beliefs home while doing so or on condition of help.
    And we call these nuts this thread is about, Christians?
    I think not.


    User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
    Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

    Quoting GDB (Reply 10):
    But in these cases, a powerful, rich, lobbying bunch of backward fanatics, just do not exist.

    I agree, it's all very scary. The backward fanatics came out of the shadows on 9/11 and its time to stuff them back in the bottle, before we leap into a second Dark Age.

    I think evolutionary biology, along with DNA, lays it all out very clearly. Science has no problem with a belief in God, but has serious problems with man-made religion, and with supernatural explanations for physical phenomena.

    Unfortunately, the power of fundamentalism on people's minds is growing both West and East, and thist really pisses me off as a 21st-century citizen. Hopefully this is just a hiccup in the civilization's progress.

    Now to get back to 'Apache'...


    User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
    Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2617 times:

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    What say you types?

    Some people, I swear... Guess I'm filing that under the whiskey tango foxtrot archives  Silly



    What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
    User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2611 times:

    Quoting Comorin (Reply 11):
    Science has no problem with a belief in God, but has serious problems with man-made religion, and with supernatural explanations for physical phenomena.

    Even great scientists [Einstein among many others] were [are] religious people.


    User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2595 times:

    That's an interesting interpretation of creation. However, some of their theories can be refuted just as easily within Christianity as well as with scientific facts. My concern is that the general public will be confuse these theories with real Christian doctrine.


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    User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
    Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2583 times:

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
    Even great scientists [Einstein among many others] were [are] religious people.

    Believing in God is not the same as believing in Creationism with its inherent dismissal of science.


    User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

    Here's Eve getting ready to go to church on a beautiful Sunday morning. Adam's not going. He's nursing a nasty hangover. Too much apple wine at the serpent's party last night.



    User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
    Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
    Too much apple wine at the serpent's party last night.

    So Adam was a chav, drinking too much cider? Wow... I never knew!  duck 

    Quoting David L (Reply 15):
    Believing in God is not the same as believing in Creationism with its inherent dismissal of science.

     checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  I'd like to add that those "great scientists [Einstein among many others]" were smart enough to keep their religion(s) to themselves - which is exactly the capacity the money-grabbing creationists lack.



    Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
    User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5990 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

    I have to say, I liked seeing this smackdown of a bible thumper:


    User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3643 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

    So they say the Earth is less than 6000 years old. But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago. They are contradicting the bible.  Yeah sure These are the type of people I don't like, the kind that try to force their beliefs onto others.

    Look where the museum is:

    Quote:
    The Creation Museum opens Monday at 2800 Bullittsburg Church Road, Petersburg

    I think the bolded part describes this museum very nicely.  smirk 



    Avoid hangovers, stay drunk.
    User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5990 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 19):
    So they say the Earth is less than 6000 years old. But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago. They are contradicting the bible.

    That reminded me of this site I saw a good while ago, but just remembered: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ - and they even link to Christian sites' response to their criticism, so people can get both sides view.


    User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

    "


    “How can evolution be compatible with Christianity?” These words, quoted in a telephone call, stung me to write. For surely, both evolution and Christianity share a picture of the world in the process of growth and change that unfolds from the first word of creation to the final word of dissolution? And yet, perhaps this involvement of Christianity with history is precisely why some find there to be a conflict. A religion that ignored the material world could leave science to its separate realm of operation. Christianity, on the other hand, is involved with the physical world — that is what incarnation is all about — and so it finds itself in an encounter with physical science.

    The tragedy of the scientific period has been that this encounter was rooted in misconception and confusion, from the start of modern science in the seventeenth century. At that time the range of allowed interpretations of scripture, whether Catholic or Protestant, had evolved into patterns of fixed authority. It was no longer the “living word” — a dynamic utterance rich in many layers of meaning — but a static catalogue of factual statements and moral rules. The way was open for the statements of science to come into conflict with those of religion, to the alarm of those whose power and prestige derived from the latter. The ensuing battles thrust a wedge between science and religion, so that science was left bereft of any moral standards, and religion (usually the loser in the battles) retreated into an increasingly irrelevant realm of private devotion. Until recently, almost the only significant protests against this trend have come from fundamentalists who wish to refight those battles on the same barren territory as before, in the forlorn hope that this time religion might win.

    Throughout this sorry history, however, one strand of thought has held on to Christianity’s original vision, and has recently found voice in the renewal movement called Creation Spirituality. It draws fully on the Genesis account of creation, when the world was declared by God to be “Very good”; but it can read also a deeper meaning, in recognising that the time of the Genesis account is not a physical chronology. Rather, it is like what the indigenous Australian peoples call the Dream Time: that eternal order that permeates and underpins consensual reality, being its source and its end. The creation events, both physical and moral, are not separated from us in a closed chapter of prehistory, but are still being unfolded here and now.

    Modern science concurs, in seeing that the act of creation was not restricted to a first moment. It could not be if, as we now speculate, those stages of the universe from which space and time spring were themselves devoid of any sense of time. Nor was creation confined to some early epoch, because, in the unpredictable world of quantum physics, new and unimagined forms are constantly arising. The potentiality for the new, like the Dream time, is always with us.

    So the perspective of creation spirituality joins with the revelation of science in showing the creative fruitfulness of Genesis as still operative within the material world in the course of evolution. It shows God’s commission to Eve and Adam as our invitation to participate in that creative transformation of matter, and it revels humanity’s primary sin to be our abuse of this invitation. This constitutes the central teaching regarding evolution to twentieth century humanity: that in a few short decades we are trashing a world on which God has lavished 15 billion years of preparation."


    Rev. Chris Clarke, Dean of Southampton University


    User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
    Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):

    Do tell, is the copyright on those essays you post every now and then actually waived?



    Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
    User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
    Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

    Quoting Aloges (Reply 22):
    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):


    Do tell, is the copyright on those essays you post every now and then actually waived?

    And, TACAA320, could you also sum up your view in a few sentences so we don't have to read someone else's document to try to work out whether you agree or disagree? It would save a lot of time.


    User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2585 posts, RR: 7
    Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

    Is that dinosaur tenderly licking Baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes?

    Praise!
    John




    BTW, you can't swing a dead cat in Kentucky without finding other glorious attractions:



    25 Post contains images OlegShv : Wow. This place is within 40 miles from me, so I'll have to visit this museum. I wonder if they allow to take pictures inside. Does anyone know how ma
    26 ConcordeBoy : ...where does it "claim" that?
    27 Post contains images David L : Including omnipresents?
    28 TACAA320 : Claims? Where?
    29 Post contains images Graphic : So then they **evolved** into being carnivorous? ...oops. We do however need to at some point realize when positions of influence are occupied by tho
    30 Post contains images YYZflyer : I've never read the bible but part of my family is Christian and that's what they told me when I was younger. Since I was young(er) I beleived it....
    31 David L : I have to admit that, although I certainly haven't read it from cover to cover, I'm not sure that can be right. Otherwise some guy (sorry, no idea wh
    32 Post contains images OlegShv : Actually, I'd like to see if they have something like a guestbook or a visitor feedback book. I'd love to leave them a note.
    33 Post contains links Oly720man : Amazing flood just to gouge out the grand canyon in all of the western states, and from the eastern mediterranean as well. Not quite a dinosaur, but
    34 David L : To be fair, the account of the flood in the Bible is only from the point of view of the people in that region. Other regions have their own versions
    35 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : "Mark Looy, a founder of Answers in Genesis with its president, Ken Ham, said the ministry expected perhaps 250,000 visitors during the museum’s fi
    36 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ....wait a minute, I just saw something in this article that makes absolutely no sense (even relative to the subject at hand). Check out this picture:
    37 Post contains links TACAA320 : " The Creation Museum actually stands the natural history museum on its head. Natural history museums developed out of the Enlightenment: encyclopedic
    38 TACAA320 : If you want to avoid the entrance fee and transportation to KY, you can also address [or call toll free] such "stupid questions" to: * Mailing Addres
    39 MD11Engineer : Acc. to my late father, who was vertebraerian palaeontolgist, dinosaurs are still with us: The birds Jan
    40 TACAA320 : Then the contradiction is NOT in the H. Bible. Is between your posts 19 and 30.
    41 TACAA320 : Can you elaborate that a little bit. Thanks.[Edited 2007-05-27 07:17:58]
    42 ConcordeBoy : ...most commonly-accepted theory is that offshoots of the avian-hipped dinosaurs went on to evolve into the birds we know today.
    43 MD11Engineer : Actually many palaeontologists nowadays look closely at the behaviour of recent non-flying birds, like the ostrich or the emu to understand the behavi
    44 TACAA320 : I guess not scientifically proved yet [a necessary echo: "just a guess"]. Same as above.
    45 AsstChiefMark : No way, man. They'll either ignore the letters or answer with predetermined, Genesis-friendly answers. I want to see the employees struggle to come u
    46 TACAA320 : Of course I agree. I think is more than obvious. Nope. The author of such "essays" is clearly stated.
    47 TACAA320 : Then tell us your experience when asking them stupid questions. But if you allow me to give you an advice, only ask "intelligent" ones. Stupid questi
    48 Post contains links TACAA320 : Once again. Try to elaborate better questions. They probably have a lot of information and computers, and why not, many professionals in this field m
    49 David L : But a major difference is that the scientific community doesn't just decide what the facts are and stick to them even if new evidence contradicts the
    50 TACAA320 : Ergo, not scientifically proved. Thanks for ratify that. Don't worry for disclamers or a nota bene. I simply don't take threats from anybody.[Edited
    51 AsstChiefMark : No. You missed the point. A creationist museum worker will probably say something about it being 3000 years old and created by God when he sneezed (o
    52 Post contains links TACAA320 : Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 51): No. You missed the point. A creationist museum worker will probably say something about it being 3000 years old and
    53 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.answersingenesis.org/ Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation... Is there evidence of discrimination agai
    54 Post contains images David L : Not scientifically proved entirely. And your point is? We've discussed this before - you can't prove anything absolutely but you can prove something
    55 Post contains links Oldeuropean : One-third of Americans believe the Bible is literally true: http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27682
    56 ConcordeBoy : Cite some please. Nice!
    57 Post contains links TACAA320 : ‘This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. … This Bein
    58 TACAA320 : Not proved, period. I was referring to your disclaimer note [reply 49]. * Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist * Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics * Dr.
    59 TACAA320 : 'Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'. Albert Einstein
    60 TACAA320 : Nicer!
    61 GDB : Of course the fall of man did start with Adam and Eve, when Adam said 'wow Eve, here we are in paradise, everything we want is here, all our dreams be
    62 TACAA320 : How can do to criticize a "biblical" position, without knowing the content of the Holy Bible?
    63 Aloges : Especially since so many of them seemed to live a damn sight longer than any of us normal folk. Let's face it, the Bible is full of explanations give
    64 GDB : I would suggest TACAA320, that you have either read it way too much, or cannot grasp the concept of allegory. Taking it literally is, to be quite brut
    65 TACAA320 : Tell another one such fairy tale, and let them defense their position by themselves.
    66 TACAA320 : I haven't read it too much. Just enough to have a criteria. Brutal = ignorance.
    67 ConcordeBoy : TACAA320, ...hmmm so your idea of "citing" these alleged scientists is throwing together a meaningless list of names-- that could just as easily be fa
    68 Aloges : You lost me there... what fairy tale?
    69 TACAA320 : You ask for it. Their arguments are clearly stated in the link provided. Do you want to know their arguments? Do it yourself. And is still the truth,
    70 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...some would say it does. Various verses (I'd have to look then up when I get home if you'd like exact citations) do describe creatures ranging from
    71 Post contains images David L : I know. Why else would I have been telling you why it was there? So, it's OK to say "this is how it is, no matter how little evidence there is to sup
    72 ConcordeBoy : Wrong: I asked you to cite them, not list them. What manner of drivel is this? It doesn't even address, much less answer, the question I posed to you
    73 JGPH1A : It was Bishop Usher, in 16whenever - he worked it out by counting back the generations in the "...and Ehuebabel begat Ananias, and Ananias begat Schm
    74 David L : " target=_blank>http://www.answersingenesis.org/home...bios/ The idea that the earth is millions of years old has been disastrous? When was the last p
    75 Jaysit : Does the museum have a special BamBam section?
    76 TACAA320 : Do you really think that I am here to take orders from you? How wrong you are! Do you really think that I care if you ask for cite or list them?
    77 Jaysit : You are here to entertain us. And you do a great job at that!!
    78 OlegShv : Here is a question for all those treating the Bible literally: why does Bible condone slavery and basically promotes treating women as property?
    79 ConcordeBoy : No, but I did think that you at least had the intelligence to present then support a linear argument... silly me.
    80 TACAA320 : Then you are looking for a clown. You are in the wrong place, but I can cite or list a quite few.[Edited 2007-05-28 00:15:18]
    81 MD11Engineer : It is a problem with people who don't understand the basic premises how science work: Science is an evolving process of observation and drawing concl
    82 David L : OK, let's look at it this way: Why do you think scientists who believe in Creationism are right while those who believe in Evolution are wrong? Notic
    83 TACAA320 : We agree on that. Of course I can. In a place, site [wherever you want] where you find mutual respect.
    84 Post contains images Aloges : Doesn't quite ring true for those who don't feel addressed by the teachings of Jesus, does it? That is what I mean with "universal" - something that
    85 David L : Case in point... Now, that's an argument!
    86 TACAA320 : And I reiterate such words: [plus] clowns.
    87 Aloges : Well, why don't you list a few "clowns", who you deem such because they don't agree with all your views on religion? You said you can, and in reply 5
    88 Post contains images TACAA320 : But of course! I will be more than glad doing so. You will be impressed about such names. Just drop me an e mail and I will be glad to do that! [you'
    89 TACAA320 : Yes, why not ? Just follow [if you really want] the previous instructions.
    90 Jaysit : " target=_blank>http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?c...27682 These are the same Americans who think that watching the Flintstones is like watching the
    91 David L : I think we have the same thing with Big Brother here.
    92 Jaysit : It's also interesting how the least educated are the most likely to have a literalist approach to the Bible.
    93 Post contains links and images RichPhitzwell : We all know the almighty Spagehetti Monster created us. http://www.venganza.org/ Some reason Im hungry...
    94 David L : Oo... while you might have a point in general, I knew a few reasonably intelligent people at college and university who believed the Bible was entire
    95 ConcordeBoy : ...there'll always be outlyers, but nearly every religion/philosophy/belief system houses those same tenants-- even Islam.
    96 Bezoar : I think it is unfortunate that folks can't seem to accept that science and Christian faith can exist together without there being a great divisivenes
    97 TACAA320 : Just for the records ! I said "clowns". I NEVER EVER said: "clowns" who I deem such because they don't agree with all my views on religion. That's a
    98 TACAA320 : I always do [unfortunately not in the "entertainment" field like you do].
    99 Post contains images David L : That's fair. I don't happen to believe but it's pretty pointless trying to convince anyone I'm right about that. Creationism on the other hand cannot
    100 Bezoar : I agree. While faith and science are not mutually exclusive, Creationism and science are in direct opposition. Though scientific theories might do so
    101 Post contains images Agill : And once again Family Guy helps us understand how things work
    102 TACAA320 : Hey! The chart is upside down.
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