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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Looks like I've finally convinced the SO that we need  Smile to upgrade the TV from a tube set to a modern widescreen. I'm thinking a 37"-40" LCD, but would be interested in any advice Anetters could give as to whether I should opt for plasma instead. (Yes, I did a search for old threads discussing the question, but they are somewhat dated.)

Also, which brands/models to avoid, based on lack of reliability. Thanks.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

I'm currently looking as well, as the convergence on my widescreen set is starting to hiccup. A friend just bought the new Sony LCD projection TV, and while it's big and expensive, it's the most stunning picture I've seen out there yet.


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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

I cannot say enough about my Pioneer 43" plasma. It's just amazing watching it, and along with my Santoku knife , one of my better purchases...

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

LCD or DLP projection. Plasmas have been known to have burn in problems. The TV I'm looking at is the Sony Bravia XBR 40" LCD - excellent reviews.


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Go with the LCD if your only choices are that and plasma. Both types will get pretty warm with continous use, but the LCD seems IMO to be a bit better in the heating department. With some plasmas I know you could turn off the heater in the house and run the TV and it will keep the house warm.

Stay away from brands such as Olevia and Philips. I have heard stories of rebates taking nearly a year to be recieved and overall IMO the picture quality just isn't up there.

Go with a Magnavox, Sony, Sharp, or some other brand you know. The major name brands, while they cost a bit more, offer a better warranty and quality of the product IMO.

Shopping tip: Go late in the day to shop for a TV. Most businesses will leave the TV's on all day and turn them off at night because of how much heat they produce. If you go late in the day you can really feel how warm the TV will get and see the picture quality when everything inside is good and warm from being on all day.

If you can get the extended warranty I'd say go for it if you have kids. These TV's are light and fragile, light enough for a young kid to accidentally bump off wherever it is sitting. A little extra protection can go a long way. Many businesses have warranties which allow you to get a brand new TV if something like this happens for 1 or 2 years after the purchase.

All TV''s have their own quirks. Check them out for awhile before you buy. Look for pixels that just arn't being colored right. Dull colors. Picture sharpness, ect.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
Magnavox

Magnavox is Philips.  Wink



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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 3):
LCD or DLP projection. Plasmas have been known to have burn in problems. The TV I'm looking at is the Sony Bravia XBR 40" LCD - excellent reviews.

+1

My dad just bought the 46" Bravia and the picture is amazing, 100x better than any Plasma that I've seen.


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
Stay away from brands such as Olevia and Philips

The Philips that doubles as my computer monitor has been doing great over the past year. No dead pixels, quick response time when playing high fps computer games, etc. The only thing it lacks is an HDMI port.



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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I have the Panasonic PT-60LCX64 60" LCD HD Projection TV, and it is fantastic. Had it since 2004, and the only problem we had was the bulb went out once - and the extended warranty covered it. They came out with a new bulb (which they had in stock), and changed it in about a minute. Nice little access door in the front meant we didn't even have to pull it away from the wall.

It is capable of 720p and 1080i, but not 1080p - which is kindof a bummer since I want a Blu-Ray player soon. But I've seen it in 720p and it's still damn impressive.

The main reason we chose Panasonic was the viewing angle. This TV is remarkably clear from just about any angle. We also have friends with the same TV, and they have never had any problems with theirs either.

I am considering a 42" plasma for the bedroom, possibly sometime late this year. As expected, the prices have come down by about half, and I look forward to seeing what kind of deals I can get when the time comes.

Plasmas are great (although I too have heard about burn-in and tube life being somewhat short), but don't think for one second that LCD's are bad.

Drew  wave 



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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

BTW.

Sony > Everything else.


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

If everything else is the same... LCD, they have a longer life, are cooler, and weigh less. Less susceptible to burn in, but they can have burn in.

Clarity, thats becoming hard and just depends. LCD's used to be less clear but thats no longer the case. Plasmas used to have a short life, but not so much any more....

If you go to a brick and mortar and check them out, go into the menu and reset the settings then compare. Personally I'm practically blind to high def and cant tell the difference between rgbhv and hdmi...so go figure.

If you plan on mounting the thing to your wall, residential construction usually will handle both but commercial does not. Your wall has to support 5X the weight of both the display and mounting equipment and with Plasmas that really becomes a factor.

Personally I like Samsung, but I only have commercial experience (best commercial warranty and availability on the market). My only advice is, make sure you have all the inputs you need and make sure the audio (if you have speakers) will follow the video as you need.

DLP is usually referring to projection systems. DLP is very hot, and bulbs have a short life in comparison to lcd's...but when referring to lcd projectors, dlp is far Superior in clarity.

[Edited 2007-05-28 07:25:46]

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5854 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 6):
My dad just bought the 46" Bravia and the picture is amazing, 100x better than any Plasma that I've seen.

wait til you watch sport on it...TV man told me last week straight out that LCD is fine for movies and that's about it, Plasma has come a long way and is a much better product all round.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2008 times:

Plasma looks great but the LCD def has a longer life.
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User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Plasma if you're only watching TV, LCD if your planning to run computer stuff on it as well

Why? Well, as meantioned above, the plasma is more sensitive when it comes to "burning", although this is more true on older screens.
Plasma as general is a bit quicker, i.e. the image does not get "blurry" when the pixels are changing colours.
Plasma also has "a blacker black" and higher contrast: better colours.

LCD is less fragile. And is the better option if your room has a lot of windows, because it's less sensitive for sunlight not that Plasma will be destroyed by sunlight, but it's hard to see the screen due to the plasma technique as such.

My advise is that you go to your nearest dealer and start comparing. Stand at the same distance from the screen that you plan to do at home. Look at the sharpness on moving objects and the colour saturation.
Only you can decide what you think looks best. Be critical.

I have a 50" Sony plasma and a 32" Samsung LCD. I bought the 50" when I had a very good financial situation two years ago, but now I've moved to a smaller place, so it's a bit big. When sitting at the correct distance from the screen, I think that the 50" has a smoother image than the 32".

Also, do NOT be fooled by the fact that the dealer might use HD on their display units. You need a blueray DVD to watch a movie in HD, they're not widely accessable, and it is NOT the same as "aired HD" (which is interlaced HD, not progressive)

And of course, price is a factor as well.

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 6):
100x better than any Plasma that I've seen.

Wow! One hundred times better!!!!!!!!!
I feel tempted to ask on what crtierias you based that statment, but I won't since I'm quite sure that you just exaggerated a bit.  Wink



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 9):
Sony > Everything else.

That was true maybe 15-20 years ago.


User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

We've had a plasma at home for the past 18 months or so, a Conia 106cm, paid just a tad under $2000 for it, fantastic picture, it's perfromed well so far with no dramas. The place where we bought it had other plasmas from the usual 'established' brands such as Panasonic, Samsung, Sony, some of them were cost twice as much or more & the picture quality on some was not as good as our 'budget' model. Our neighbours paid 8 grand for theirs as a 'demo/display' model not long after plasmas started becoming widely available, picture quality is not as good, goes to show how they're advancing.


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Magnavox is Philips.

Ugh, too late for me to be typing. I meant Haier, not Philips. Haier is a crappy TV and they need to just go back to making refridgerators IMO.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12241 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
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I just bought myself a 22" LCD monitor for my computer  Smile I would like a nice, big HDTV though, but that'll come later  Smile


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

thanks to everyone for your advice.

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

IF you're going to be putting it in a bright spot get and LCD for sure, if not it will boil down to what you need, eg PC input HDMI/DVI etc etc. I ahve an LG 37" LCD which has been a cracker since I got it. Amazing stuff at a good price.

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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
That was true maybe 15-20 years ago.

As far as current TV's go. Sony's Bravia line outperforms anything else on the market. Go to an electronics store and take a look for yourself.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 20):
As far as current TV's go. Sony's Bravia line outperforms anything else on the market.

Uh..umm..emm....no.

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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
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Opinions are like elbows...most folks have a couple.

I own a Philips 50" Ambi-light and it's been excellent so far. My friend owns a Pioneer 60" and it's really really really good.

I gotta say that you should buy the one that looks the best to you. LCD is going to be more expensive the bigger you go, but for the smaller screens I know it's pretty good. My mother has one of the 26" Aquos HD screens and it's pretty impressive.

As far as quality....we all know that electronics are built to varying standards in terms of innards and the like based on who's ordering it. If Sams club or Costco is ordering televisions they may order the cheaper ones...if you go to Magnolia or Hi Fi Buys they are ordering the more expensive components.

One thing....pay them to come install it at your house and get the insurance.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 2):
I cannot say enough about my Pioneer 43" plasma.

The one I see alot of is terrific....and expensive.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
Stay away from brands such as Olevia and Philips.

Based on what? You have some long term results to back that opinion up?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
Magnavox

Magnavox is Philips.

Something like that. And I forget who but Fujitsu makes screens for several brand names, and Sony makes their own glass.

Go to the following web sites for some info to help you decide

http://www.plasmatvscience.org/
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/

go here too for alternatives
http://www.dlp.com/Default.aspx?ct=6...cb212e-c97e-412f-94b0-dc3ae4ac98b4



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 20):
As far as current TV's go. Sony's Bravia line outperforms anything else on the market. Go to an electronics store and take a look for yourself.

Well, we took the plunge. Our local Circuit City has a dynamite Memorial Day sale going on, and after much comparison, we chose a Sony Bravia 40" LCD.

Thanks again to everyone for their advice.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 3):
Plasmas have been known to have burn in problems.

While this is still a concern on the current generation plasmas, the newer ones aren't nearly as succeptable as the plasmas of even just two years ago.

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 9):
Sony > Everything else.

Not necessarially. Especially when you start factoring cost in. Sony, Panasonic, and LG are the three brands I would I would look at. IMHO, Panasonic makes some kick-ass plasmas and LCDs -- I have a TH42PHD8UK (from their broadcast group) and the picture quality rocks and its quite price compteitive (and it doesn't have all of that extra crap that keeps getting bolted on to TVs these days). Sharp also has some respectable LCDs, and some very picky people I know have been satisfied by Westinghouse.

As far as the LCD vs. Plasma question goes possibly one of the biggest questions to ask is "How many hours per day are you going to use it?".

Plasmas tend to have sharper images with better black levels and slightly better motion response, but they are also speced with a shorter lifespan (in hours) than LCDs, so if you're the type of person who watches 20 hours a day of TV this might start to become a consideration.

Plasmas also tend to have more "glossy" screens than LCDs (though there are some 'flat' plasmas starting to show up on the market which can be a concern in some lighting scenerios.

As far as size goes, remember that plasmas and LCDs are (virtually all of them, at least) 16:9 vs the conventional 4:3 aspect ratio, so if you are looking at 4:3 SD content in its native aspect ratio a 37" 16:9 plasma will have a smaller image than a 37" 4:3 conventional TV. (For reference, my 42" plasma provides just about the same height image as my 27" conventional TV)

I have a plasma in my living room, and love it -- I thought about the Panasonic TH37PH9UK for my bedroom, and if it weren't for how often that one is on it would be my hands-down choice. Given, though, that longevity is more of a concern than image quality for my bedroom, I'm going to be going with an LCD.

Lincoln
(One of my current projects has over 100 plasmas and another 50 or so LCDs throughout the facility... I love my job)



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25 RichPhitzwell : I'm sure you will love it. Are you going to wall or ceiling mount it? That is one nice feature about lcd/plasmas and furring out the wall does make f
26 Post contains links RichPhitzwell : Oh one last thing, you may want to invest in a decent receiver. One of the mods here got this one and he seems to like it. The thing I liked about it
27 Derico : Yes, and in many product ranges were Sony dominated years ago they have now been overtaken by other brands, even in the TV department. So I do agree
28 Post contains images Solnabo : Just got my Philips 32PF5331 LCD All I can say is "Woooow whatta crystal clear picture" No wonder every Hollywood star are scared sheiz that every wri
29 Halls120 : Actually, we're buying a new piece of furniture to place it on top of. We have an alcove of sorts in the family room where it will sit. The only bad
30 RichPhitzwell : Cables make the points. tv's may get 3 - 5 points while any cable you walk out with will very well be around 50 points. Hence the reason you can find
31 Yegmaster : None of the above. I have a 50" Akai rear projection and with my HD hook up the picture is spectactular. I have spoken to several proffesional home th
32 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : We just picked up a 42 inch LCD and it is definitely getting the job done
33 Halls120 : Projection TV is indeed excellent, as long as you are sitting squarely in front of the screen. Move an distance off center, and the picture isn't so
34 RichPhitzwell : Thats dependant on the screen itself. You would be amazed at the technology in each screen and screen type.
35 MCOflyer : I want to get a plasma but they're so darn expensive. Hunter
36 Yegmaster : I forgot to mention. The picture is the same great quality from every angle. Cheers
37 SJCRRPAX : " target=_blank>http://www.crutchfield.com/S-j6lzW0t...S804B I think what you mean is it converts the analog standard definition video to digital HDMI
38 RichPhitzwell : Well we can get into an argument over what scaling is and does, but the one listed will convert different standards from composite to s-video to comp
39 SJCRRPAX : Sure if you like. Scaling is the process of making something bigger or smaller, e.g. in video it means changing the digital resolution of the picture
40 Post contains images KaiGywer : Watched Top Gun yesterday on my new monitor. I love that thing
41 Post contains images HAWK21M : Was that at work regds MEL
42 RayChuang : Plasma TV's offer a bright picture, but watch out for these downsides: 1. They use a LOT of power. 2. Screen image burn-in can be an issue. 3. 1080p p
43 RichPhitzwell : Not really, I really didn't care =) Its also a name that marketing likes to throw out and make something sound cooler. But I agree with what you said
44 Post contains images KaiGywer : Haha, no at home
45 AC888YOW : You do realize that Magnavox is the same as Philips right? Magnavox is a subsidiary of Philips and they share parts/technology/etc. I can't speak for
46 Post contains images David L : I believe so...
47 Futurecaptain : Thankyou. Too many brands of TV's floating around in my head from work. Hard to keep everything straight 100% of the time.
48 AC888YOW : Apologies. Didn't read every reply when I came across your first post.
49 Post contains images EK20 : LCD for me.
50 Post contains images RobK : I don't know whether I have exceptional eyesight or what, but I personally have yet to see an LCD or plasma telly picture that is better than a good C
51 Futurecaptain : Your eyesight isn't fooling you. LCD and plasma technology is not quite up to the good ol CRT TV's yet. One big positive selling point for most peopl
52 Lincoln : There's a difference between "Not quite up to" and "3 seconds"! Current generation LCDs have decent response times -- much better than their older br
53 Post contains images David L : At standard definition, yes, but how many HD CRTs have you seen? Interesting, I hadn't thought of that, though I should have, given that most of the
54 Post contains links KaiGywer : Samsung SlimFit 27" Widescreen Flat-Tube HDTV Samsung SlimFit 30" Widescreen Flat-Tube HDTV
55 Post contains images David L : Not very many, then. I agree that if we get a viable selection of HD CRTs, especially from the big manufacturers, then the game would be back on. But
56 Post contains images KaiGywer : I'm sure there are more, those are just two that are in stock at Best Buy I didn't feel like looking around
57 Adopim88 : The way things look for you, much later. As if you don't have the time. Although I will say that you're new moniter is really nice.
58 Post contains images KaiGywer : Haha, I know. I think I have to join the Army Well...true... I know
59 Post contains images David L : There are a few more but will enough people buy them now that they've been tempted by the slimline LCD and plasma sets? How many people would sacrifi
60 Post contains images KaiGywer : Exactly. Flatscreens just look better
61 Post contains links and images EK20 : Believe me, when you compare a footy game on ITV1 to one being shown on Sky Sports in High Definition it most certainly is! It's as good as a CRT. Ch
62 David L : First of all, I meant quality isn't always a good enough reason for everyone to buy. If not enough people buy, manufacturing ceases, no matter how mu
63 EK20 : But there's the problem. It will be better but the biggest CRT you can get is around 36". Yes the pic is superior but if you want a bigger screen you
64 Post contains images David L : You're preaching to the converted. I was only acknowledging the fact that HD CRTs are appearing, having earlier implied that, at the moment, there is
65 EK20 : I doubt it. The glass would be far too expensive to produce. Manufacturers would never go for it. They want as much profit as possible.
66 Halls120 : But given the increasing availability of HD content, why keep a TV for the sole purpose of providing a better picture for content that will be steadi
67 Lincoln : No arguement there. I was simply pointing out that evaluating a HD display displaying SD (or ED) content may not be the best basis of comparison. For
68 DeltaDC9 : The bottom line is that while plasmas are great, they start to lose brightness right out of the box and in 3-5 years it is very noticable LCDs are gre
69 Soylentgreen : Just skip Circuit City and go right to Best Buy. No comparison in service and knowledge. And they don't fire their $15/hr folk to save a buck or two.
70 Halls120 : Or you could do your own research and go to Circuit City and save hundreds over what Best Buy charges. There is an advantage to having an inexperienc
71 KaiGywer : I like my local Best Buy, they will ask you once if you need help, and if you say "no" they'll leave you alone (until a different employee sees you w
72 DeltaDC9 : Unbles they dont have it in stock, then they suck big time Yes and if you need something and they are out of stock, but someone else "ordered" one an
73 Lincoln : Hell, they have sales people at your Best Buy? I thought they had gotten rid of them. Every time I've gone into my "local" Worst Buy one of three thi
74 9V-SPJ : We bought our plasma back in 2003, a Fujitsu 42 inch. Great picture, does not generate too much heat, the fan inside is very quiet. To prevent burnout
75 Post contains images UAL777 : As someone who used to work in the Home Theater department at BestBuy, I will give you my $.02. Off the bat, Plasma is going to have a better picture.
76 Post contains images Halls120 : Well, it finally arrived today, and it is awesome. Definitely worth the wait. One mistake I made was not measuring the depth of the new stand I bough
77 RichPhitzwell : Why not just cut a section of the back out to fit the dvd?
78 Halls120 : I spent a lot of $$ on the console, I'd rather just buy a smaller DVD and move the current one upstairs.
79 Post contains images Vaporlock : Well, you picked a good time to buy a big screen.....I heard on the radio today that here in Canada starting next year they will be adding a charge t
80 KaiGywer : Why not have it shipped directly to your house for free? Never happened to me. I'm greeted by their yellow shirt security guy the moment I walk in, a
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