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The Enterprise Encounters The Imperial Fleet  
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21098 posts, RR: 56
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1958 times:



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1934 times:

A allegory about the differences between the the liberal US (Enterprise) and the US of the neocons ("The Imperium") .

Axel

[Edited 2007-05-29 12:47:26]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 1):
A allegory about the differences between the the liberal US (Enterprise) and the US of the neocons ("The Imperium") .

And am I the only one who just has to think of Lord Helmet when watching Paul Wolfowitz squirm...?  mischievous 


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Very creative editing and very entertaining. Thanks for posting.

User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

"lets get the hell outta here!"

read: "$#!% you win!!!!"



very entertaining!


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Very well made
Love the fact RO appears, then Wesley in 2 different uniforms

Great stuff


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
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Well put together...

I fail to see any current political correlation, and I'm not really being obtuse about it.

Quoting Trekster (Reply 5):
Love the fact RO appears, then Wesley in 2 different uniforms

A fellow Trekker I see.....



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Not to mention that Admiral Piett from Star Wars is miraculously resurrected.

I wouldn't normally notice something like that, but well, I used to be in the same pub quiz team as Kenneth Colley who played him. Big grin



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1732 times:
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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):

Sure am  Smile

A couple just got married in Greater Manchester dressed in full trek dress uniform, and some how managed to get the vicar to dress as a vulcan haha


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Those tie-fighters didn't stand a chance against full phasers and photon torpedos.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
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Quoting Trekster (Reply 9):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):


Sure am

A couple just got married in Greater Manchester dressed in full trek dress uniform, and some how managed to get the vicar to dress as a vulcan haha

Dude, it was a last second persuasion from my mother, sister and friends of my wife-to-be that prevented us from being married on the deck of the starship Enterprise at the ST Experience with Elvis dressed as a crewman performing the ceremony.

I had it arranged.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

First, Star Wars vs Star Trek normally means "could the Empire kick the Federation's ass".

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it.



Basically, Star Trek is a lot more realistic.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 12):
In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it.

I don't know. The Borg almost destroyed the Federation two times (the first time during the Battle of Wolf 359 and the second time during the Battle of Sector 001), and yet they always survive. If the Federation can survive Borg attacks, I'm sure they can survive a war against the Empire, at least as long as Picard and Janeway are around.  Wink


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
at least as long as Picard and Janeway are around.

That's the reason the Borg got as far as they did.

If they would've been dealing with James Tiberius Kirk, they would've stayed in the Delta Quadrant.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

I wonder if the Empire would survive a Borg attack? After one or two hits from the Empire's weapons the Borg would adapt and if the Borg got a hold of a jedi and used the force against the empire it would be quite a fight. I think in the end the Borg could defeat the Empire.

Q of course would snap his fingers and Darth would be destroyed

Now, what if we take away the ships, who would win? I bet a Klingon could beat a storm trooper, but I'm not so sure about Picard. He would probably die in hand to hand combat against anyone in the Empire.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 14):
If they would've been dealing with James Tiberius Kirk, they would've stayed in the Delta Quadrant.

Well, the problem is that by the time James Tiberius Kirk was captain of the Enterprise, the Borg were already on the way to the Alpha Quadrant, though you must not forget that they could have accelerated their arrival thanks to Transwarp technology. However, I'm sure that if Kirk was in charge, he would have given the Borg one hell of a battle as well.  Wink


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Haha, that was hilarious. Really shows the difference between the fantasy Star Wars and ever so slightly more realistic Star Trek.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1549 times:
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Quoting MD-90 (Reply 12):
In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it.

I don't know about that.

The preponderant use of smaller attack craft would give the Empire an advantage over the Federation which doesn't seem to use them, but the heavily armed Defiant class would probably even those odds, and they'd be able to have capital ship on capital ship encounters. The evening factor would be the presence of the Klingons with their cloaking devices and perhaps the participation of Romulans depending on their relationship with the Federation.

The added capabilities and numbers would even things up and the Empires ability to gather forces would be limited when account is taken for having to maintain order throughout the galaxy....

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 15):
Q of course would snap his fingers and Darth would be destroyed

There is always that. If he was so inclined it would be a very short battle.



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1529 times:
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Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 15):
Q of course would snap his fingers and Darth would be destroyed

There is always that. If he was so inclined it would be a very short battle.

Yes but Q would be more likely to snap his fingers and put everyone in tutus... or at least turn all the phasers/blasters into cigars...

Anyways, Executor Star Dreadnought (19km long) vs Enterprise D (under 2 km long) = quick win for Empire. Even an standard Imperator I vs Enterprise wouldn't last long...



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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

When I see this it reminds me of a colleague's description of turbulence levels with the Star Trek "impact" effects on picard and his crew!

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
The added capabilities and numbers would even things up and the Empires ability to gather forces would be limited when account is taken for having to maintain order throughout the galaxy....

That is correct, imagine the federation discovering the hidden system Kamino and cutting of the empire's complete resource of troopers...

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 15):
He would probably die in hand to hand combat against anyone in the Empire.

not if he he has a phazer in one of those hands, he would phaze out all the energy of weapons and even lightsabers...


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
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OK...so if the Empire is so technologically advanced then why do they require such huge vessels?

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 19):
Yes but Q would be more likely to snap his fingers and put everyone in tutus... or at least turn all the phasers/blasters into cigars...

Yeah...he'd be a little difficult to control.



I'll retract my earlier stance on the reasons why Star Trek universe would defeat the Empire...

it'd take a total surrender then an acquisition of Empire tech from within while the Federation survivors joined up with the Rebellion and overwhelmed the Empire over a number of years.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
but the heavily armed Defiant class would probably even those odds, and they'd be able to have capital ship on capital ship encounters.

Not to be too nerdy... But the Defiant would be outnumbered severly by just the Acclamator class ships. Having one good ship doesn't do much good when the opponent has hundreds of equal or better ships.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
...The evening factor would be the presence of the Klingons with their cloaking devices

Nothing new to the Empire.


User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1356 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Hmmm... here's how the heroïc encounter should really go:

Picard: "take us out of warp, mr Data"
Data: " yes sir"
Picard: "whatta"
Riker: "there's some huge object right in front of us... it's coming right at us..."
Picard "take evasive action"
Riker "too late"

*bam*

Death Star off. "Hm, did we just hit anything?"



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 19):
Anyways, Executor Star Dreadnought (19km long) vs Enterprise D (under 2 km long)

There's a problem: the Galaxy Class Enterprise D has been destroyed during the battle against Lursa and B'Etor. So the battle would have to be either against the Intrepid Class Voyager or the Sovereign Class Enterprise E (though Voyager would be even better prepared than the Enterprise E since it's got ablative hull armour and transphasic torpedoes from the future, along with the usual compliment of phasers and photon torpedoes, while the Enterprise E only has the quantum torpedoes extra along with phasers and photon torpedoes). And given their ingenuity, the fact that they got a Borg crewmember and a Klingon Security and Tactical Officer respectively, combined with the Picard Maneuver, could give the upper hand to the Federation.


25 MDorBust : They haven't figured out how to shrink AT-ATs for transport yet. And the 38,000 Storm Troopers.. ... and the prefabricated garrison bases..and the 12
26 SWISSER : They could call for assistance from the USS Sovereign, if i remember correctly it was equipped with very powerfull prototype torpedo whose name unfor
27 LTU932 : Sounds more like quantum torpedoes, and those were already used on starships like the Defiant or USS Sao Paulo (the Defiant's successor).
28 Trekster : Was there not something called transphasic torpedo's at some point???? Id like the battle group of the Federation to consist of, of course the Enterpr
29 LTU932 : Yes. That was in Endgame, when Future Janeway gave present Janeway some of this future technology, including the transphasic torpedoes to fight the B
30 Post contains images Trekster : Thought so. One would just rip of Cube apart. Loved that And yea, it was all kirks fault as Vger turned out to be some part of the borg empire if im
31 LTU932 : That's all speculation. We don't know if V'ger was the result of a Borg attempt to assimilate Voyager 6 that went all wrong, and if it is, then it's
32 Trekster : He destroyed vger, so i think it may of casued the Borg to come closer to Earth. Of course the first PROPER meeting was with Picard and Q, but other m
33 Post contains images Bwest : Can I be the first to say : "wtf" at the last few posts...
34 Trekster : LOL Vger was in one of the original films and had been turned into a huge ship from one of the original Voyager probes. Some trekkies (trekkers) thin
35 Post contains images Bwest : And there I was, thinking it was all just a bunch of movies and TV-series
36 DL021 : obviously you've never heard of the temporal cold war and it's side effect of messing with our timeline and history. We're seeing into the future wit
37 SWISSER : I found it; Positron torpedo!
38 MD-90 : At the time of ANH IV, the Empire had 24,000 Star Destroyers. If they had that many heavy cruisers, imagine the numbers of smaller craft that they ha
39 LTU932 : Interesting. I never heard of positron torpedoes before.
40 SWISSER : There is this video game called Bridge commander, you will end up being the captain of the USS Sovereign! I discovered the name of the torpedo in the
41 Post contains images Bwest : btw, did anybody notice the magical resurrection of Admiral Piett in that clip? Or maybe he was a clone afterall...
42 Post contains images Banco : *Cough*
43 Post contains images Bwest : Ouch... sorry I used a fragment of Piett in a filmquiz, aksed who the actor was. Surprisingly few correct answers
44 Banco : Like a lot of character actors, he has one of those faces people recognise, but don't know the name. You'd often see people come up and talk to him t
45 Kieron747 : He is a good actor, and I have a lot of time for his work. One of the best Inspector Morse episodes (The Second Time Sround) stars him and Christophe
46 Trekster : Michael Sheard was an amazing man. It is a sad lost he died. I spent a weekend with him when I was involved in the RAFSTA (Royal Air Force Sci Fi and
47 Jwenting : Ah, but by the Federation loosing that battle to the glorious Imperial Forces the future is changed so Voyager not only has those weapons at the star
48 Trekster : Jwenting I HATE TIME TRAVEL Causes me a headache each time its talked about, im like Janeway with that one. The one episode i know she hated time trav
49 Post contains images LTU932 : But Picard and Janeway figure that out just before their destruction, and travel in time to prevent this outcome by doing a gravitational slingshot m
50 Trekster : And maybe pick up a whale or 2, and a scientist???
51 Post contains images LTU932 : Just skip that.
52 Trekster : Would only work of course if they are in a Bird Of Pray. Damm it, i forgot to go to the park where it landed when i went there 2 years ago. Dam lol
53 LTU932 : Not necessarily. Granted, the Enterprise and Voyager are much bigger than the HMS Bounty (the Bird of Pray which Kirk "borrowed" before the explosion
54 Post contains images Trekster : Yea, but the HMS Bounty was alot cooler, and could cloak and land in Godlen Gate Park Now if Voyager had a cloaking device Id be happy
55 Post contains images LTU932 : If it wasn't for the Treaty of Algeron...
56 Trekster : Hang on, what we talking about. Defiant has one, and there are now good relations with the Romulen Empire after the Enterprise E encounter with them
57 LTU932 : The Defiant's cloaking device was on loan from the Romulan Empire, hence why they had a Romulan military officer on board during the early flights of
58 Trekster : Are we not forgetting. A starfleet ship DID have a cloak!! I dont see why, after the Shinzon incident the Romulan's would not let more cloaks be inst
59 LTU932 : Because that bilateral was still in place and there was no point renegotiating this. From this point on, it's all just speculation since there's no c
60 Trekster : And since when did that ever stop anyone drinking it lol As i said above, do not forget starfleet did have a cloak on a nebula class star ship that R
61 LTU932 : Very true! Indeed, but that cloak was illegal, unlike the one on the Defiant.
62 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Thats is fricking hilarious Thanks for the laugh..... Lee
63 UH60FtRucker : An interesting line from the movie... towards the end, when the Death Star fires it's primary weapon, Worf reports, "Captain the enemy is firing, 400g
64 Post contains links NorthStarDC4M : Well, Wookiepedia gives: "The power of the first Death Star's superlaser was estimated to have been more than 2.4*10^32 watts, with an optimum range
65 UH60FtRucker : I checked out the site... unfortunately they do not give the math behind their figures. ------------------------------ If we're talking about the mos
66 Post contains images ShyFlyer : Now what would they want with an A380?
67 Post contains links LTU932 : OK, while the trilithium weapon can singlehandedly destroy at least a yellow dwarf star like the Sun, I still think the most lethal weapon there is is
68 IFEMaster : That reminds me of the line from Back To The Future where Doc pronounces it wrong... "One point twenty one jigger-watts! Great Scott!" Anyway, everyo
69 Jwenting : Live long and prosper. was signed, Palpatine, emperor of the known universe.
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