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White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Thought I'd share this. Anyone else find it disturbing?

Bill O’Reilly: The White, Christian, male power structure is in jeopardy…
By: John Amato @ 1:15 PM - PDT

Bill O'Reilly and John McCain both agree. Their power structure is in peril. Help us! McCain is very proud of this exchange since he posted it on his website. Pat Buchanan's a prophet for BillO.

Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number.

John McCain: In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many.

O'Reilly: But in this bill, you guys have got to cap it. Because estimation is 12 million, there may be 20 [million]. You don't know, I don't know. We've got to cap it.

McCain: We do, we do. I agree with you

I don't know if Bill O'Reilly realizes it, but he just vocalized exactly the true platform for the Republican party and their mouthpiece, FoxNews. They are absolutely terrified of "The Other" not just being in charge, but of being of equal status. Thom Hartmann referred to this excellent diary at DU on how these guys actively try to silence women activists.


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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1951 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I,

Ha...Bill O'Reilly actually admits he's a white Christian male afraid of change. Love it...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

I think there are two distinct issues at play here. evidently, many folks have a hard time differentiating the two.

1. Is to extend equal opportunities of wealth, power, and success too all. I think that's only fair. I don't like 'cronyism' or 'glass ceilings' or the 'good ol' boy' network any more than you do. The concept of "but that's how we've always done it" is long overdue for the scrap heap.

2. On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

It's always amazing how those who scream 'racist' and 'discrimination' are always the first ones to become its practitioners the moment they find themselves in any sort of authority position.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
2. On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

Quit your usual "white man whining."

Its not an issue of being WASP or not.

Its an issue of being rich. Progressive taxation doesn't see race, gender or ethnicity.

The last time I checked, the taxation level for Oprah Winfrey wasn't lower than Bill Gates because she's black.

It's pathetic that people like O'Reilly and Buchanan can twist people's minds on racial grounds, but then what do you expect? If you're any example, it seems to work.

I don't know where you've been living, but in this country today, East Indians and Jews are the two wealthiest racial/ethnic groups, with per capita wealth far greater than whites. While WASPs still hold the most wealth in this country based on the fact that they were here first and that they created most of this nation's institutions and because they are the largest racial group in the country, the face of wealth in this country is changing. Those immigrant groups who assimilate into so-called WASP institutions and have the confidence to play by the same rules and challenge any racial or cultural roadblocks get ahead. And this is the reason why immigrants of all colors and creeds have flocked to the United States - because if you work hard, if you have the talent and the drive, you can be No. 1 at your game.

What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to - Harvard and its ilk, Wall Street and its orbit of financial institutions, and Capitol Hill. These men are incensed that the majority of students at Harvard are now Asian or Jewish, that the top echelons of US financial institutions are now being staffed by men and women of Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Latin and black descent.

Just recently, and right after the VATech tragedy, that paragon of racism, Buchanan went off on a screed on how the killer was of Korean descent, part of the million+ Korean Americans and Korean immigrants living in this country, who he believes can NEVER assimilate and will always hate "us." By "us," Buchanan meant white Americans. All I can say is that Buchanan has clearly never met a Korean American valley girl or the over 200,000 Americans of mixed Korean-white ancestry in this country, or has never visited a top American university of late (in part, because top American universities don't invite nasty racist a-holes to give speeches).

All I can say is that those WASP institutions and concepts that made America great are in no danger of dying out because they are now not merely WASP institutions, but full-blown American institutions, and will be managed by the multi-racial talent that is America today. The fact that these institutions can adjust and embrace people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds is a full blown testament to their resilience and their guaranteed success.

What will die out are men like Buchanan and O'Reilly, bitter and hateful relics of a past long gone.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

But - to cling to the power they have solely because they are afraid of the so-called "minorities" - that's wrong. Why shouldn't blacks and Hispanics and women and Muslims be in situations of wealth and power? Are they somehow inferior? Are white, Christian males the only people who are worthy of wealth, power and status?

This ties in with your point #1. I don't think anybody's saying that good white Christian males should be stripped of their power. But you know that there are a lot of white Christian men who are powerful only because of their belonging to the club and networking with the good ol' boys. There are many people who don't fall into that category who would be excellent leaders. People should be judged and should have opportunities based on their merit, not their gender, not their skin colour, not their religion.



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Every time I hear O'Reilly, I can't but help think of his sexual harassment scandal a few years ago...What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
I don't know if Bill O'Reilly realizes it, but he just vocalized exactly the true platform for the Republican party and their mouthpiece, FoxNews.

I would say that they certainly speak for a significant faction within the GOP and their mouthpiece, Faux News.

That having been said, I don't think that McCain has a racist bone in his body.

But the man has also lost any sense of shame and guts since he began his quest for the WH.

He had the perfect opportunity to tell O'Reilly that he's a giant turd, but instead, he waffled and pretended to agree with him in order to ingratiate himself with O'Reilly's viewers, who are overwhelmingly white, male, republican and nutsoid conservative.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

The White, Christian, male power structure is in jeopardy…

I don't think so.




Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
Every time I hear O'Reilly, I can't but help think of his sexual harassment scandal a few years ago...What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.

Was anything ever proved?

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to

Can this be proved with quotes or are you guessing?


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Was anything ever proved?

It was settled out of court...Also, that Bill Orally can't tell the difference between a falafel and a loofah.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions

Negative! You are completely misrepresenting the issue.

They (and I) have not trouble whatsoever with someone who someone who works to gain access to those institution. There are millions of immigrant americans who came into the country legally (from South America, Africa, wherever), integrated into the culture, and made a success of their lives here. We have no problem whatsoever with such people. They have earned everything they made.

What we are against is ignoring or even rewarding people who have PROVEN that they don't care about the law.

Right now, I am putting together financing to buy a house in Kentucky. I planned of putting half the price down in cash and financing the rest. But so far no lender has offered to give me a mortgage!

The problem is that I have no credit history. I've lived overseas for the past 20 years. So even though I've shown them that I have money, that I have a clean police record both in the US and internationally, that I've shown them records of the past rents and mortgages that I've paid internationally over the years, on time, they are still suspicious.

Now I can understand that. The US has this credit score system and that's that, and I'll find a way to satisfy the requirements somehow. That doesn't bother me, but meanwhile, Former illegal immigrants, now legalized, can get mortgages in spite of poor credit histories. They have a PROVEN record of being willing to break the law if it benefits them financially (i.e. crossing the border illegally), but are more trustworthy than me?

THAT is the kind of BS that sticks in our craw. These illegals are criminals, and they should be treated as such.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 7):
I don't think so.

LOL. I actually laughed when seeing the title of that thread next to the photo!

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
Was anything ever proved?

O'Reilly settling, most likely for millions, tells us everything we need to know. The fact that he settled so quickly also means that it was likely that tapes of his conversations most likely existed...Obviously, if those had been released he would have a lot of explaining to do....


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2295 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
the 'good ol' boy' network

I personally love it. If you're too stupid to network and build connections, shame on you. You deserve a crappy job and life.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

Exactlty

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
bitter and hateful relics of a past long gone

Well I personally agree with much of what they say and unlike alot of people on a.net, I dont keep my mouth shut. The ideals will live on. I am living proof.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.

But Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton and many others are? I rest my case.


To put it bluntly, people who make the news are people who stir the pot. They affect emotions one way or the other...this is the best way to get ratings. Good people who have great intentions rarely make the news. (I used to work for Westwood One, one of the largest news/communication companies)


Proudly Republican - Conservative,

ATCT



"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney
User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

They got Imus a washed up WASP fairly liberal now they are going after Oreilly, a witch hunt of false indignation to quell any dissent from the left or right. To qoute that great human being Joseph Stalin before he lined them up in front of a wall. "They are not politically correct"


I would help you but it is not in the contract
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
I can't but help think of his sexual harassment scandal a few years ago...What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
O'Reilly settling, most likely for millions, tells us everything we need to know. The fact that he settled so quickly also means that it was likely that tapes of his conversations most likely existed...Obviously, if those had been released he would have a lot of explaining to do....

 rotfl 

I love it how liberals like you are always preaching for criminal rights, taking the side of the accused over the victim, not convinced anyone's guilty until proven so, but when it comes to influential conservatives or anybody else that doesn't squeeze into your whiny little agenda, that all goes straight the hell out the door.

Hilarious yet sad at the same time. I mean, talk about a hypocrite. Guilty or not, O'Reilly would've been screwed had the scandal lasted longer and gone to court. If I were in his position and I happened to be innocent in a similar case, I'd settle quickly anyway to avoid all the bullshit.

I'm not sucking up to Billo though, there's a good chance he screwed the pooch. Despite raising good points on several issues, he's a blowhard, and not to be taken seriously.




-NWA742


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
I personally love it. If you're too stupid to network and build connections, shame on you. You deserve a crappy job and life.

The irony in that statement is pretty hilarious, specifically in regards to the topic at hand. I wonder if you were part of another race you would feel the same way.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
Well I personally agree with much of what they say and unlike alot of people on a.net, I dont keep my mouth shut. The ideals will live on. I am living proof.

With due respect, your post is proof that ignorance is still alive in America.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 14):
I love it how liberals like you

Ummmm I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure RJpieces is no liberal. So where does that leave your rant??

Dave

[Edited 2007-06-02 06:01:43]


Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number.

And in there Bill O'Rielly shows us exactly why he is such a douchebag.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
2. On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

No, but saying there is some kind of conspiracy is completely unfounded. Immigrants and their children who grow up here just want to be able to compete, which I personally feel that the playing feild should be leveled...for EVERYONE.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to - Harvard and its ilk, Wall Street and its orbit of financial institutions, and Capitol Hill. These men are incensed that the majority of students at Harvard are now Asian or Jewish, that the top echelons of US financial institutions are now being staffed by men and women of Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Latin and black descent.

EXACTLY  checkmark 

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
That doesn't bother me, but meanwhile, Former illegal immigrants, now legalized, can get mortgages in spite of poor credit histories. They have a PROVEN record of being willing to break the law if it benefits them financially (i.e. crossing the border illegally), but are more trustworthy than me?

Well I think thats more unscrupulous companies trying to make a buck off of vulnerable people, more than qualifications.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
I personally love it. If you're too stupid to network and build connections, shame on you. You deserve a crappy job and life.

 redflag  "Good-ol boy" is not networking. Networking is what any hard working person has to do to get ahead. The "Good 'ol boy" gets to positions in life because his daddy and daddy's daddy are rich and powerful. It's something that immigrants who become sucessful do not have.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
Well I personally agree with much of what they say and unlike alot of people on a.net, I dont keep my mouth shut. The ideals will live on. I am living proof.

So then you can't stand it when immigrants (even the legal ones) come into the country and become sucessful and make a positive contribution to American society and the economy? Get over yourself.

O'Reilly, Buchanan, and their like are part of the reason why I feel Republicans have so much trouble attracting minorities and immigrants. As long as dickheads like them spew their crap, change will be hard. Everybody who lives and enters this country (legally) works hard to make their wealth (if they want to), and nobody should take wealth away or deny it to others based on entitlement. Shame on O'Reilly.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 15):
Ummmm I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure RJpieces is no liberal. So where does that leave your rant??

Well if he isn't - I offer my apology, but the point still stands about liberal hypocrisy.

And it was hardly a rant. Apparently you've never seen what a real internet rant is.  Smile




-NWA742


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):

lol, true my bad.  Wink. Gotta love the internets.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
THAT is the kind of BS that sticks in our craw. These illegals are criminals, and they should be treated as such.

That's why it's positively puzzling that the Bush white house and a slew of members of Congress want them all to get a free pass. Oh wait, it's because Wall Street ultimately benefits, not Joe Middle Class. I keep having to remind myself of that in the face of the insurmountable bullsh*t.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 7):
I don't think so.

Good Lord, is McCain flexing in that photo?!?

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):
liberal hypocrisy.

God, I just LOVE it. I am going to start throwing around buzzwords and passing it off as legitimate debate, its so much fun!



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):
Well if he isn't - I offer my apology, but the point still stands about liberal hypocrisy.

Last I checked, it was BUSH that brought forward the idea of legalizing the illegals. Sorry, you can't blame "liberals" on this one.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 20):
God, I just LOVE it. I am going to start throwing around buzzwords and passing it off as legitimate debate, its so much fun!

Please, by all means, do so. If that's the best you can do at challenging a point, of course.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 21):
Last I checked, it was BUSH that brought forward the idea of legalizing the illegals. Sorry, you can't blame "liberals" on this one.

And please show me where I blamed them?

I don't blame liberals, I blame EVERYONE, be they liberal or conservative, that has been in charge of our government for the past few decades for not stopping this problem in the first place, and failing to fix it thus far, and you can be damn sure that I blame Bush as well.




-NWA742


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions

Negative! You are completely misrepresenting the issue.

They (and I) have not trouble whatsoever with someone who someone who works to gain access to those institution. There are millions of immigrant americans who came into the country legally (from South America, Africa, wherever), integrated into the culture, and made a success of their lives here. We have no problem whatsoever with such people. They have earned everything they made.

Please, Sir, you clearly don't know Pat Buchanan.

Or else you haven't read his articles and writings, or are just living in your own GOP bubble in the Alps, a bubble in which all Republican males are paragons of virtue.

I suggest you take the time to read his views on LEGAL immigration of non-Europeans before you jump to his defense. You may be forced to eat your words.

Pat Buchanan has always been opposed to the change in the Immigration Act of 1965 because for the first time immigration was opened to non-Europeans reversing decades of systematic exclusion and restrictive immigration policies, and resulting in a new wave of immigrants from Asia. Buchanan's shameless tirades against Asian immigrants and their purported lack of assimilation (a bunch of hooey as Asian Americans by any measure are enormously successful and are fully assimilated) has made him resort to such nonsense as accusing Chinese Americans as being members of a secret global army of people with allegiance to the PRC and willing to destroy the US upon Beijing's command.

He is also a contributor to the anti-immigration (both legal and illegal) forum VDare (www.VDare.com) where he has made such statements as these after the VA Tech massacre:

Cho Seung-Hui was not an American at all, but an immigrant, an alien. Had this deranged young man who secretly hated us never come here, 32 people would heading home from Blacksburg for summer vacation.

What was Cho doing here? How did he get in?

Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation's doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion opposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst.

Cho was one of them.


A more shameless attempt to fuel his own racist exclusionary public policy objectives by somehow blaminig millions of law abiding, model citizens and recent immigrants who are of Asian descent for the act of one nutsoid kid is yet to be witnessed. I bet that even the most fiery dragon in the nearly defunct KKK couldn't come up with this racist gibberish.

Buchanan has said time and time again that he wants an America that is 90% white, with the remainder being black - the kind of world he was raised in. He has stated time and time again how much he missed the old segregated Washington DC where black people just didn't live west of 16th street and certainly not north of Rock Creek Park. Buchanan is that classic paleocon who has refused to move with the times. Yes, he may speak for thousands of white, male conservatives of his generation who share the same racist views of what it means to be an American, but that's also why he's a drag on the GOP and contributed to its loss in the 1992 presidential election.

If you still wish to embrace Buchanan as someone with whom you share beliefs, then go ahead. I wouldn't be surprised.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
The problem is that I have no credit history. I've lived overseas for the past 20 years. So even though I've shown them that I have money, that I have a clean police record both in the US and internationally, that I've shown them records of the past rents and mortgages that I've paid internationally over the years, on time, they are still suspicious.

We're talking oranges, and you're out in la la land talking about papayas.

I still have to find a mortgage banker or lending organization that doesn't ask you what your legal status is. Even those individuals who are permanent residents (rather than citizens are held to a different, more probative standard).

I once had the same problem as you in not having a credit history (I had one credit card that was relatively unused and paid for everything in cash or checks). I had a hard time getting a loan inspite of having $50 K down, but I wasn't about to bitch and moan and make attenuated rubbish links that blame illegal immigrants.

Get a clue. Who gives a @#$%#$% about your housing issues in Kentucky? The topic here is the spectacle of two bigoted white men' and their hatred and fear of immigrants of color and how they may threaten their own positions of power.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
Please, Sir, you clearly don't know Pat Buchanan.

Granted, I don't know much about him and what you say about him may well be true. But I do know a lot about O'Reilly's position, and he is not nearly as far right as this, nore am I.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
I still have to find a mortgage banker or lending organization that doesn't ask you what your legal status is.

I'm talking about ex-illegals who have managed to make themselves legal,whether through an amnesty, having a kid in the US, whatever.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
I had a hard time getting a loan inspite of having $50 K down, but I wasn't about to bitch and moan and make attenuated rubbish links that blame illegal immigrants.

Who said I was blaming them? Like I said,

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
The US has this credit score system and that's that, and I'll find a way to satisfy the requirements somehow. That doesn't bother me

My complain is that we have started giving CRIMINALS more rights than everyone else. Go ahead, ignore our laws, take advantage of our largesse, and we'll even give you benefits that we don't give our own people. Even if you have a proven track record of breaking the law if it suits you financially, we'll give you a couple hundred thousand dollars.

That's BS.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
The topic here is the spectacle of two bigoted white men' and their hatred and fear of immigrants of color and how they may threaten their own positions of power.

If you would actually listen to O'Reilly on a semi-regular basis, you will know that he is not at all bigotted. Neither am I. But we want criminals to be treated like criminals.

My proposal to deal with the immigration problem:

1) Triple-layer electrified fence along the entire border
2) Guest Worker program for up to 3-400K per year.
3) Guest workers who keep clean criminal records for X years may apply for citizenship.
4) In addition, the standard immigration process will also remain in place.
4) Those in the country illegally may never, EVER apply for citizenship. Their children will not be recognized as American - they will be Mexican or whatever (just like about every other country does). They cannot get welfare, their children may not go to publicly funded schools or anything else. If you don't like it, leave.
5) An illegal shows up at a hospital, we will treat them for emergencies, and when they are well enough, they would be released into the custody of the INS.

That would fix the immigration problem. But no-one's got the balls to do it.


25 Jaysit : Well, I don't know about O'Reilly, but I'm pretty sure that you aren't on the Buchanan fringe, which is why I was surprised that you seemed to be emb
26 Itsnotfinals : That is absolutelty the most racist thing I have ever read on a.net. I used to work at bank next to a Jewesh market years ago and most of their depos
27 Cfalk : Once again, I am talking about legalized, formerly illegal immigrants. People who once ignored US immigration law and got away with it. They are elig
28 Post contains links Itsnotfinals : Again, our economy is demanding that kind of labor, that's why these people come here - there are jobs for them. The Republican pundits with tell you
29 Jaysit : Wow. This is really one of those "Oh my God" moments when you realize that the person with whom you're having a conversation with at a cocktail party
30 Post contains images AirTranTUS : You had one of those moments yourself in reply 3.
31 Post contains links Mdsh00 : How is that racist? Thats what the general consensus is on the wealthiest Ethnic groups in America are. It's not based on opinion. http://www.tnr.com
32 Itsnotfinals : any time you equate an entire race into one balnket statement, that is faceious. there are substaincially more whites that make much more than the In
33 Post contains links Mdsh00 : It's not a blanket statement because that is what 2000 census data shows. Yes in sheer number there are probably more whites that make more money. Bu
34 Itsnotfinals : When you use meaningless statisitc to say "ALL jews are rich" "ALL indians are rich" that is a misuse of statiscs and not representative of the wealth
35 ATCT : Ya'll are arguing over petty "well they make more money" issues. Guess what, I went to college, networked, and now make almost 6 figures at the ripe y
36 Itsnotfinals : I couldn't have said it better myself. I put myself through school with a degree I could make an income with and have done extremely well ever since.
37 Post contains images NWA742 : Ad "conservative" and "straight" and you'll slip right into the most disliked group on this site. I think it's important though that we remind oursel
38 Tbar220 : That's because most people in this country have compassion for their fellow human beings and don't really care if they are "legal" or "illegal". If t
39 Post contains images NWA742 : No no, that only happens in a happy country free world. Not reality. Most people in this country care about their fellow human beings, but they also
40 ATCT : Oops my bad ATCT White, Male, Christian, Conservative, and Straight (and proud of everyone)
41 Itsnotfinals : White, REAL Republican (not the big government, high spending, regulating nightmare party it has turned into) Gay and proud.
42 Post contains images Cfalk : If you think that, you are delusional. As you see, most people want immigrants to follow the law and to have consequences for breaking them. And as f
43 Itsnotfinals : yes parts of this thread sure show that. So with this logic any legal citizen that gets a DUI, a speeding ticket, a parking ticket is also of dubious
44 Cfalk : There is a difference in scale and intent. You don't drive drunk or speed or park illegally intentionally and with the intention of financial gain. Y
45 Itsnotfinals : I understand that they are not a race, in fact many native Mexicans are technically American Indians, they just live on the wrong side of the border.
46 Cfalk : Whether the ends justify the means seems to be at the heart of the debate then, and on that note I think we will agree to disagree. And also, I might
47 Mdsh00 : Please show me where I explicitly said that all Jews and all Indians are rich. Anyways, I think we're arguing about two different things, which in th
48 Itsnotfinals : Let me say I am terribey sorry for quoting Jaysit's post from your repsonse to him. You did not say that , he did and I am sorry for the confusion. T
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