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G-8 Protesters Clash With German Police  
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Condolences to the German police injured by the ass*ole protesters.

Quote:
ROSTOCK, Germany (AP) - Protesters with black hoods and bandanas covering their faces showered police with rocks and beer bottles Saturday, before the heavily armored officers drove them back with water cannon and tear gas during a rally against an upcoming Group of Eight summit.

Black smoke from burning cars mingled with the sting of tear gas in the harbor-front area of the northern German town of Rostock, where tens of thousands of people had gathered peacefully at the start of the day. The clashes broke out among hundreds of stone-throwing demonstrators and police on the edges of the crowd as the rally progressed.

Some 146 police were hurt, 25 of them seriously. Police said they made 17 arrests.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070602/D8PGSBR00.html

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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Morons. Their free and capitalistic homelands allow them to be able to protest like this. I would never know the struggle of someone that grew up in Communism, nor would I want to. I don't understand why some here in the West romanticize it so much.


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

If you were to ask each one of these protesters what they wanted, they wouldn't be give you anything tangible. Just things like rights for all workers and down with global coporations, blah blah blah. The reality is that without the global economy alot more people would be starving around the world.

Its funny to see protestors wearing a shirt made in Italy, American shoes made in Korea, French pants made in Singapore while bitching about globalization.

Here's a montage of multinational-clothes wearing g8 protesters from the Scotland meeting that I got off the net.



It just comes down to that these people have nothing better to do. This gets them all excited like a soap opera.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 1):
Morons. Their free and capitalistic homelands allow them to be able to protest like this. I would never know the struggle of someone that grew up in Communism, nor would I want to. I don't understand why some here in the West romanticize it so much.

Sums it up quite nicely.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 2):
If you were to ask each one of these protesters what they wanted, they wouldn't be give you anything tangible. Just things like rights for all workers and down with global coporations, blah blah blah. The reality is that without the global economy alot more people would be starving around the world.

Its funny to see protestors wearing a shirt made in Italy, American shoes made in Korea, French pants made in Singapore while bitching about globalization.

Here's a montage of multinational-clothes wearing g8 protesters from the Scotland meeting that I got off the net.


It just comes down to that these people have nothing better to do. This gets them all excited like a soap opera.

Pretty damn hypocritical - of course not that any of these idiots would be bright enough to realize, but funny nonetheless.

This reminds me of several protests against Bush we've had around downtown Austin. You have a few people actually arguing for what they believe in, and then a bunch of assholes just there to bitch and call names, all so they can call themselves "activists," it's really quite pathetic.

I've got no problem with peaceful and ideological protests, but it seems they represent a vast minority of protests in general.




-NWA742


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1748 times:

I think if I were the Mayor of a town and the G-8 meeting selection committee came to my town, I'd have them all arrested and them drop them off at the city line. Who in their right minds would ever want one of these meetings any where near their city? It's an invitation to disaster and general mayhem not to mention the added costs of security and fencing. I can't think of a single city where the G-8 has held a meeting that I'm inclined to go visit just because that happend there so the tourist draw has to be zilch both during and after. If I were them I'd just pick a really nice cruise liner or abandoned oil platform and save a lot of people a lot of trouble.

User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1739 times:

I think it's a shame that hundreds of CRIMINALS are not in jail, but are free to go wherever they want to destruct everything.

In particular I'm thinking about Italian Black Block, all of them are well known by Italian police, but don't know why, Police don't stop them.

I hope German police (I think it's better than Italian police) will "convince" them to stop behaving that way. Doesn't matter how..... I'm open to every method, included physical violence.

Black Blocs don't deserve to live.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11588 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 3):
This reminds me of several protests against Bush we've had around downtown Austin. You have a few people actually arguing for what they believe in, and then a bunch of assholes just there to bitch and call names, all so they can call themselves "activists," it's really quite pathetic.

It reminds me of the WTO meeting in Seattle. A few of the people at that protest were there to protest, a few others were just trying to live their lives, but it seemed a majority of "protesters" at WTO Seattle were there just to cause chaos.

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting F.pier (Reply 5):
In particular I'm thinking about Italian Black Block, all of them are well known by Italian police, but don't know why, Police don't stop them.

We call them "Black Block" (Schwarzer Block) as well. Effectively these guy (and girls) are "revolution romantics" who see themselves as the last true freedom fighters, in fact they are idiots and attention whores, who never got out of puberty.
While I find Merkel's idea of effectively blocking off a whole village and letting only those inhabitants stay during the G-8 summit who passed a security background check, over the top, I have absolutely no sympathy (same as for football hooligans) for those rioting idiots outside the fence. I have seen them in action in Berlin during the Kreuzberg riots in the 1980s, looting and burning (including fire engines).
I wish the police had a slightly harder distance weapons than just tear gas and the water cannon. Shotguns and rubber baton rounds would be fine.

The biggest problem is that the idiots grabbed all attention by the press and the legetimate concerns by the serious anti globalisation people get drowned.

Jan


User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):

The biggest problem is that the idiots grabbed all attention by the press and the legetimate concerns by the serious anti globalisation people get drowned.

Well since fewer people than ever before are living in extreme poverty, i think it has gone down from 40% to 15 % in the last 25 years globalisation apparently has been positive for the majority of the worlds people.


User currently offlineDba4U From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 662 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

I was way to drunk this WE but otherwise I would have made my way to Rostock as well.

Eventough I'm not against globalization.

German police made a big mistake a few weeks ago when they enforced "preventive strikes against terrorists" which was basically just an excuse to search the homes of some people connected to the left scene. There were no reasons given apart from that "blabla terrorist blabla" tattle. Sure, some dumb people blew up some cars of important businessman during the last months, but the places searched had nothing to do with it! All they tried was to frighten the people.
So in what kind of country do I live? DemoCRAZY, huh? Some people started a demonstration on the very same evening as the raid. Police came up against those 2000 people with 1000 policeman and 7 waterthrowers just because some people expressed their opinion. I'm peaceful but stuff like that just pisses me off bigtime. I don't like those ultra-left people but enough is enough. This is more like the usual Leftist vs. Nazi vs. Police stuff here in Germany. That raid was an enormous attack on the freedom of speech and human rights.

So no, I'm not against globalization, but the way the officials are trying to frighten the people is just plain wrong.
eventough personally I wouldn't have made use of violence I somehow can't really blame those people actually making use of it. At least those who have witnissed the happenings on May 9.

Quoting Hamburger Abendblatt:
Gegen acht Uhr fr�h waren die Ermittler vor dem Kulturzentrum vorgefahren, mit 20 Mannschaftswagen. Sofort sperrten Beamte das Areal, w�hrend Kollegen das leere Geb�ude gewaltsam �ffneten. Die Polizisten brachen auch innen die T�ren auf, bis ein Anwalt dazukam.

"At 8 o'clock in the morning the police approached the cultural center with 20 crew buses. Immediatly they sealed the area and forcefully broke into the empty building. They started to break doors and enter the rooms inside the building until a lawyer appered on spot."

So they searched that house using violence while nobody was there! If that is legal I'd like to be called Ronald Schill


User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting Dba4U (Reply 9):
German police made a big mistake a few weeks...

Funny how it's always about how the police making some mistake. As long as these fascists are bent on raising hell, and the silent majority providing excuses, it's gonna happen.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

It's funny to see those hippies try and sue the cops for "police brutality" after they get pepper sprayed. I guess they figure they have the right to destroy private property and beat the crap out of the police. I think the penalties for those goons should be raised. They spend one night in jail, then they come back 24 hours later and do it all over again.


No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

Quoting Dba4U (Reply 9):
"At 8 o'clock in the morning the police approached the cultural center with 20 crew buses. Immediatly they sealed the area and forcefully broke into the empty building. They started to break doors and enter the rooms inside the building until a lawyer appered on spot."

So they searched that house using violence while nobody was there! If that is legal I'd like to be called Ronald Schill

As long as they either had a search warrant signed by a judge (most likely) or were acting in "Gefahr im Verzug" (imediate danger) they were legal.

IMO some of the radicals try to provoke police officers to use their firearms, e.g. by seperating an individual officer from his unit, trying to beat him up, or as with the Startbahn West (Runway 18 at FRA) in the 1980s, two radicals opened fire on the police, killing an officer, using a live pistol during a confused melee in the forest, hoping that the police would retaliate like the British Paras in Derry, Ireland in the 1970s, so that they can sghow the world that Germany is a fascist police state.

Jan


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 1):
Their free and capitalistic homelands allow them to be able to protest like this.

I don't see the connection between capitalism and freedom to protest.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 2):

Its funny to see protestors wearing a shirt made in Italy, American shoes made in Korea, French pants made in Singapore while bitching about globalization.

Here's a montage of multinational-clothes wearing g8 protesters from the Scotland meeting that I got off the net.

Where are you making this assumption? From some pictures that you found on the internet? Come now, there's got to be a better way to make your point.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
I don't see the connection between capitalism and freedom to protest.

Look harder.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

There isn't anything in our laws that says "capitalism = right to protest". In fact, even in China where Capitalistic style of economy pretty much rules the day, there is no right to protest. And even in the United States, capitalism is not equivalent to human rights and constitutional freedoms. That is because of our bill of rights and the constitution.


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

The guys I saw on TV this evening were amateurs, they trew stones on a cop without removing his helmet before.  duck   Wink

Quoting Dba4U (Reply 9):
I was way to drunk this WE but otherwise I would have made my way to Rostock as well.

Same here, Jan Delay and Disko No. 1 were performing there yesterday night, I had driven to Rostock to see them (again) when I had have time.

Patrick


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
Where are you making this assumption? From some pictures that you found on the internet? Come now, there's got to be a better way to make your point.

I'm sure there's a better way for him, but he doesn't need one, it's obvious enough. Like being lectured by a PETA advocate or a vegan who's wearing a belt and has a leather jacket.



-NWA742


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):

I'm sure there's a better way for him, but he doesn't need one, it's obvious enough. Like being lectured by a PETA advocate or a vegan who's wearing a belt and has a leather jacket.

I'll say the same to you. If you are going to try and make a point by using one example (which you probably made up), that is pretty lousy debate/argument. I can say the following...

"There are terrorists on Mars, its pretty obvious, if you just look through a telescope you can see them on the surface. I don't need a better point than that, it proves everything."

... and it would be pretty damn asinine.

BUT.... if you want to use your standards, I can make some pretty damn solid arguments based on trivial, minor stuff I find on the internet too.



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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

I would like to go there to help the cops.


I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 2):
It just comes down to that these people have nothing better to do.

I doubt the majority even know what they're protesting.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

I just read in the online edition of the "Bild" that one guy who trew stones already got a 10 months jail sentence. Pretty over the top IMO considering the guy is not previously convicted.

Patrick


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1535 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
I just read in the online edition of the "Bild" that one guy who trew stones already got a 10 months jail sentence. Pretty over the top IMO considering the guy is not previously convicted.

Patrick

Ten months without parole for attempting to severely injure (or even kill) people - in multiple cases. Why is the sentence over the top? Make it 20 months, I wouldn't care.



I support the right to arm bears
User currently offlineDba4U From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 662 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1531 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 12):
As long as they either had a search warrant signed by a judge (most likely) or were acting in "Gefahr im Verzug" (imediate danger) they were legal.

Jepp, but...

+++GiV ist gegeben, wenn die Einholung eines vorherigen richterlichen Beschlusses den Ermittlungserfolg ganz oder teilweise vereiteln oder gef�hrden w�rde. Somit sind z. B. Anordnungen zur Wohnungsdurchsuchung durch den o. g. Personenkreis auch ohne richterlichen Beschluss m�glich.+++

So there's way to much room for individual interpretions

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):

Some of my friends were there, would have loved to go

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I doubt the majority even know what they're protesting.

They do, and they're taking it way to serious. The world isn't perfect and they're not gonna change it


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1528 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 2):
Its funny to see protestors wearing a shirt made in Italy, American shoes made in Korea, French pants made in Singapore while bitching about globalization.

Ironic

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
We call them "Black Block" (Schwarzer Block) as well. Effectively these guy (and girls) are "revolution romantics" who see themselves as the last true freedom fighters, in fact they are idiots and attention whores, who never got out of puberty.

We call them "rebels without a cause"

Quoting Agill (Reply 8):
Well since fewer people than ever before are living in extreme poverty, i think it has gone down from 40% to 15 % in the last 25 years globalisation apparently has been positive for the majority of the worlds people.

I did not know that

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
I don't see the connection between capitalism and freedom to protest.

Wow, do you have the right flag in your profile?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
Where are you making this assumption? From some pictures that you found on the internet? Come now, there's got to be a better way to make your point.

It was an excellent way to make a point, you obviously have an agenda.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 15):
There isn't anything in our laws that says "capitalism = right to protest". In fact, even in China where Capitalistic style of economy pretty much rules the day, there is no right to protest. And even in the United States, capitalism is not equivalent to human rights and constitutional freedoms. That is because of our bill of rights and the constitution.

You simply cannot see the forrest for the trees. Sad.



Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
25 Allstarflyer : Capitalism is the result of a free market - which involves freedom from government intrusion, much like freedom from the government intruding on peop
26 Post contains images NWA742 : First of all - your opinion only. Sometimes it really only takes one photo to make a point. Second - I haven't seen you producing any evidence agains
27 MD11Engineer : Strafgesetzbuch (German penal code) � 224 Gef�hrliche K�rperverletzung (dangerous bodily injury) (1) Wer die K�rperverletzung 1.
28 Fumanchewd : Well my point was that it is virtually impossible to live a life free from the products of globalization. These protestors have both consumed and ido
29 NoUFO : Yes, still there's a good reason to remind representatives of the G8 of their promises given to poorer nations. Notice, I avoid the term "to protest"
30 Post contains images Sabena332 : According to the "Bild" they only saw him throwing stones into the direction of police officers, he didn't hit them so I think that 10 months is way
31 NoUFO : Did you read the line where it states that the attempt is punishable in your book?
32 Sabena332 : P.
33 Fumanchewd : I agree. However there already is substantial aid given to a great number of African, Asian nations, Indonesia, etc. Not to open a new polemic, but o
34 Tbar220 : Freedom of government intrusion as part of capitalism doesn't equate to human rights and freedom to protest. There may be a correlation between capit
35 Fumanchewd : It fairly obvious that they are at a protest with the purpose of anti-globilization. My opinion that they have nothing better to do stands from the f
36 Tbar220 : I should have clarified. I meant that we don't know why they are anti-globalization and where they stand on it. Its clear that they are anti-globaliza
37 Fumanchewd : I know. Narcissism.
38 Mir : They're not specifically anti-globalization. They're anti-establishment. They just want to vent some anger against whoever is in power (or percieved
39 Post contains links Aloges : This is turning out to be very interesting indeed: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,486974,00.html (in German) summary: - about 6000 p
40 Allstarflyer : I understand what you're saying - I was simply trying to make the correlation that capitalism and freedom to protest arise from the same basic freedo
41 Post contains links and images Aloges : once again relaying info from Spiegel Online (all links except the one about the railway in German): - Several thousand protesters have duped the poli
42 Bofredrik : I agree with them who protest against US missile defense system in Eastern Europe.
43 Post contains links Pelican : Law enforcement has nothing to do with the judgement. I would have agreed until a few weeks. But the more I read articles from African intellectuals
44 Aloges : I haven't got the time to read your links, but am I correct in assuming that it's because most of that aid never actually arrives at its intended rec
45 Post contains links and images Aloges : OK... http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,487210,00.html Two Greenpeace dinghies have entered the prohibited sea area near the convention
46 Gunsontheroof : Solidarity with the protestors fighting against concentrations of wealth and power. Wish I was there.
47 PanHAM : The German Supreme Court has upheld a lower court ruling that protest direct at the fence are not allowed. Still, severall thousand protestors did rea
48 DeltaDC9 : Examples please? Can you name one thing that has been taken away from you?
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