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A Good Reason To Keep Russia Out Of Eads  
User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070603/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_missiles

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"ROME - Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that U.S. plans to build a missile defense system in Eastern Europe would force Moscow to target its weapons against Europe."
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"Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek accused Russia on Sunday of misleading the public about the planned missile defense bases in the Czech Republic and Poland to hide Russia's internal problems.

"Russia needs an outside enemy to hide problems at home," Topolanek said."


With Putin going off the deep end, the EU has got to be concerned about Russia's interest in EADS. Also, with comments like this you can bet that you'll never see a KC330 if Russia is involved at any level.

Is this just political posturing or a reason for real concern.  boggled 

Comments.

iwok

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User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Putin is to leave office in near future, so let´s wait n see what Russia´s next president is like.

Although Putin is scheduled to leave office after his term expires, there are a number of pundits that say whoever wins the Russian elections -- presumably Putin's hand-picked guy -- Putin will still run the country with all his people in place. On the other hand, if during the election process, the opposition looks like a winner, Putin can always declare a national emergency and the elections are off.

Getting back to subject, I believe that EADS has to think and look very carefully before it allows any sizeable Russian investment. I'd rather see Qatar money than rubles bankrolling EADS which, in my opinion, is your worst nightmare, especially with seats on the board.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Putin is to leave office in near future, so let´s wait n see what Russia´s next president is like.

The way things are going with this man, Putin may leave office, however his successor willbe his puppet on the string. Putin has absolute control over Russia, He is the head of the Multi Billion $$$ corporation that reigns the empire.

Neither France nor Germany should be stupid enough to allow them to own a single share of Eads.If no one else shows up they should take Qatar in, but never ever the Russian State Empire.



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

What's Putin worried about? He was just boasting that his missiles couldn't be stopped by such a shield anyway.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Putin is to leave office in near future, so let´s wait n see what Russia´s next president is like.

Putins term is up next year, but if Putins path to the presedency anything to go by, dont expect his successor to be much different in idealogy Theres still a chance that he could alter the constitution, allowing him to run for a third term.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):
What's Putin worried about? He was just boasting that his missiles couldn't be stopped by such a shield anyway.

I believe that his concerns are justified. This plan is just wrong. Why do it?????


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
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Russia can overwhelm any missile defense system be it located in the US or the EU. Heck, they don't even need missiles to hit Western Europe - they have planes that can do that.  Smile

If certain NATO members desire the system to protect their own territories, then they should be allowed to have it, especially since such a deployment would be deeply limited in scope compared to, say, a system designed to defend the continental United States.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4008 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 2):
I'd rather see Qatar money than rubles bankrolling EADS which, in my opinion, is your worst nightmare, especially with seats on the board.



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
.If no one else shows up they should take Qatar in, but never ever the Russian State Empire.

This sounds like a discussion of "my dictator is better than your dictator."



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):

This sounds like a discussion of "my dictator is better than your dictator."

not really. a feudal society works different, the Emirs are not seen as dicators by their people. But that wasn't my point anyhow. For Qatar, it would simply be an investment. Russia has other interests than just making an investment in Eads., For them,. technolofy transfer is much more important. Addiotnally, they have political ambitions to separate Europe from the US ties. They want to dominate Europe and make it dependend in many ways.

I would not like to live in a Russian dominated Europe. After 60 years if freedom and liberty, for which we have to thank mainly the United States, the last thing we need is going back to a dictatorship. Russia has always been an authoritarian society. After the peresetroyka they had anarchy and Putin is turning that back to an authoritarian system instead of turning Russia into a true democracy.

The annoying part is that he does that with our money, which we pay for the ressources they sell us.Topping the cynism is that he even buys political hasbeens like Schroeder, who make the useful idiot for Putin, certifying him a "flawless democrat".

As Lieberman has said in the 30s in Berlin. " I can't eat as much as I would like to vomit".



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4008 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):

not really. a feudal society works different, the Emirs are not seen as dicators by their people.

I don't care how brainwashed his people is, every absolut monarch is a dictator and that is a fact (stating it otherwise would be moral relativism). I would venture to say that most North Koreans do not see Kim Jong-Il as a dictator, that does not mean we should not treat him as one.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
For Qatar, it would simply be an investment

Yes, using the surplus oil money the Emir stole from his people that is not currently being used to build floating/flying/fixed palaces or buy entire fleets of luxury cars.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 8):
don't care how brainwashed his people is, every absolut monarch is a dictator and that is a fact (stating it otherwise

I think I have made it clear in my contribiutions here that I am liberal and democratic, however, I am able to distinguish a feudal system in North Korea, that abandons the majority f its population and lets them starve to death and a feudal system in an Arab country which is based on a tribal tradition. I would not want to be part of any, but if given the only choice, I would opt for the latter.

North Koreans are brain washed, indeed. If you really want to be nasty, you could have said that the Qatari and other Emiris are bribed with tons of money.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 8):
Yes, using the surplus oil money the Emir stole from his people that is not currently being used to build floating/flying/fixed palaces or buy entire fleets of luxury cars

yes, OK. But what I have seen in these countries is that the local Emiris, regardless in which Emirate they live, all participate in that wealth personally.

Besided, an investment remains an asset, better than the cash that has been used to buy it..



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