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Iran Supplying Arms To Taliban  
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Reported by ABCNews:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/document_iran_c.html

Quoting Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban:
NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain.

This is not small beans, folks.

This is serious weaponry that can cause a lot of damage and kill a lot of coalition soldiers.

Quote:
Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community.

They're doing this in Iraq.... why is it such a big surprise they would be doing this in Afghanistan.

They want American soldiers dead. D-E-A-D.

And we're not doing a damn thing about it.

Quote:
"I think their goal is to make it very clear that Iran has the capability to make life worse for the United States on a variety of fronts," said Seth Jones of the Rand Institute, "even if they have to do some business with a group that has historically been their enemy."

So they're attempting to make our live very difficult... and we're doing what about this?

Christ.

Quote:
The coalition analysis says munitions recovered in two Iranian convoys, on April 11 and May 3, had "clear indications that they originated in Iran. Some were identical to Iranian supplied goods previously discovered in Iraq."

The April convoy was tracked from Iran into Helmand province and led a fierce firefight that destroyed one vehicle, according to the official analysis. A second vehicle was reportedly found to contain small arms ammunition, mortar rounds and more than 650 pounds of C4 demolition charges.

A second convoy of two vehicles was spotted on May 3 and led to the capture of five occupants and the seizure of RPG-7mm rockets and more than 1,000 pounds of C4, the analysis says.

Also among the munitions are components for the lethal EFPs, or explosive formed projectiles, the roadside bombs that U.S. officials say Iran has provided to Iraqi insurgents with deadly results.

So why aren't we engaging these targets? Why are we confronting Iran on this? What is it going to take to show that "No.... The Iranian government is NOT our friend. And no... our current "talking" is NOT working."

It's time we get tough with these f*ckers.

-UH60

Edit to add link

[Edited 2007-06-07 02:10:22]

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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Now with linky goodness
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/document_iran_c.html


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):

lol I beat you to it, with a post edit only 18seconds prior.

-UH60


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 2):
lol I beat you to it, with a post edit only 18seconds prior.

Dang you dastardly!! *shakes fist*

I suspect the apologists and Bush haters will be around soon.

Some will say that this is all part of Bush's (actually it's the evil neo-cons running the show behind his back) plan to go to war with Iran. Some will say that we shouldn't do anything about this since we run the risk of angering Iran.

Hey guess what, we already are at war with Iran, By proxy. And they sure are pretty mad with the US already, abducting American citizens and all.

We've already seen the lengths the apologists will go to. We found the EFPs, sniper rifles, Iranian soldiers and mortars in Iraq and they found a million excuses for it. Finding the same stuff going on in Afghanistan won't change their minds at all. After all, they still believe Iran's nuclear program is peaceful research.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Oh crud, whats next? Can we do anything about it?

Hunter



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
Can we do anything about it?

That's the $1,000,000 question. Hopefully the members of NATO will come together to stop it, since we've seen what a disaster unilateral action can be.

-Mir



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
Can we do anything about it?



Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

No, I'm NOT suggesting we go nuclear.

Actually, we've painted ourselves into a nice little corner here. If our Iraq adventure had indeed been a UN sanctioned effort, with true multilateral involvement, I doubt Iran would be interfering to the extent they are at this time.

We simply don't have the conventional strength to take Iran on directly. Not while we are fully engaged in Iraq.

Maybe we can get the UN to pressure Iran, but I doubt it.

[Edited 2007-06-07 03:50:02]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
No, I'm NOT suggesting we go nuclear.

No but Iran wants to, and anything they get the Taliban will get.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
We simply don't have the conventional strength to take Iran on directly. Not while we are fully engaged in Iraq.

Agreed, it is a sad commentary to the 1990's that we now have less US Army divisions now in the whole army then where in country in nam in 68.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
No but Iran wants to, and anything they get the Taliban will get.

Here is the problem. our action in Iraq has cost far too much. We have no colateral to bargain against attacking Iran. Wars cost money and resources, and no one follow a percieved fool to war.

Right now, the US is the fool, and the rest of the world is letting us suffer for it. Even if it is at their own perril.

I never trusted Iraq, Iran, or North Korea to do the right thing, and it seems i was correct in that assumption. Right now Iran is using all the leverage it can , in order to advance it's own agenda. Should they be stopped? I am not sure. I still feel there are a lot of good people in Iran, however the leadership is absolutely crooked and agenda driven.


I know i have disagreed with the situation in Iraq to no end, but it still does not bode well if Iran is running support and interferece for Iraq and Afghanistan. We definately don't have the resources ans people in region to handle the issue.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
No but Iran wants to, and anything they get the Taliban will get

Its not only Iran,but North Korea & Pakistan too.These countries if not secured enough lose their weapons to Terrorists that would target the popular Democracies.The problem is that theres no unity among the Democratic forces itself.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
Its not only Iran,but North Korea & Pakistan too

I'll grant you Pakistan, but not DPNK.

They will want money, materials or technology the Taliban probably doesn't have or is inferior to what the DPNK has already.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 8):
I never trusted Iraq, Iran, or North Korea to do the right thing, and it seems i was correct in that assumption

Agreed, you can't trust any of those three.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2329 times:

Interesting article in Newsweek (6/11/2007) this week "The Lady and the Veep". Apparently SOS Rice and VP Cheney views of how to deal with Iran are opposite of each other. Rice favors a diplomatic approach to Iran, and well everyone knows what Cheney would like to do. At the current time Rice seems to have more horsepower in DC, so her positions are winning out right now.

Quote from the article "British officials who asked for anonymity because of the nature of their work emphasize that they lack hard evidence linking the shipments to the Revolutionary Guards, and that the weapons could just as easily have been bought on the black market in Iran".

Just food for thought..


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2322 times:

Weren't Iran and the Taliban enemies just a few years ago? Who made allies out of them?


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 12):
Weren't Iran and the Taliban enemies just a few years ago? Who made allies out of them?

Common enemy.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2308 times:

Common enemy.

My enemy's enemy is my friend, I suppose. There's gonna be a lot of allies in that region.

[Edited 2007-06-07 07:06:11]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
I'll grant you Pakistan, but not DPNK

DPNK are accused of getting Nuclear missile Technology transferred to Pakistan.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2299 times:

So you pick a blog, not even a proper news source, as your be all, end all news source, after the Secretary of Defense says this:

"Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence "of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban.""

Not to mention the fact that Iran damn near took care of the Taliban for us prior to 9/11 after the Taliban murdered several Iranian diplomats.

Get real.



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User currently offlineEmirates773er From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
So you pick a blog, not even a proper news source, as your be all, end all news source, after the Secretary of Defense says this:

"Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence "of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban.""

Not to mention the fact that Iran damn near took care of the Taliban for us prior to 9/11 after the Taliban murdered several Iranian diplomats.

Get real.

Exactly my thoughts but I could not bring myself to waste energy and write them down. This thread has to be the biggest farce there is.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
So you pick a blog, not even a proper news source, as your be all, end all news source, after the Secretary of Defense says this:



Quoting Emirates773er (Reply 17):
Exactly my thoughts but I could not bring myself to waste energy and write them down.

I'm sure you two guys can come up with a reasonable explanation for the origin of the seized materials... being as how it can't possibly be Iran...

As for the source being a lowly blog.. let's see if we can find it on some more "proper news source(s)"

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070417-104247-7835r.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/05/30/iran.taliban/index.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/04/news/afghan.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/wo...9ec&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...tes_iran_arms_go_to_taliban-2.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...53-8626-4041-8290-365986728CE4.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2060612,00.html


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 18):
I'm sure you two guys can come up with a reasonable explanation for the origin of the seized materials... being as how it can't possibly be Iran...

How hard is it to get some weapons smuggled from Iran or the black market operating there. Iran helping the taliban would be like Russia helping the US to fight a war with China, you think its imaginable?



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 19):
How hard is it to get some weapons smuggled from Iran or the black market operating there.

Yeah, I'm sure you can just pick up 1,650 pounds of C4 from your local shady arms dealer...

The General we capture in Iraq... was he a black market General?


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
The General we capture in Iraq... was he a black market General?

Whose talking about Iraq here?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
Yeah, I'm sure you can just pick up 1,650 pounds of C4 from your local shady arms dealer...

We are talking about guns and IED's, not 1650 pound explosivse. Stay on topic.



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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 21):

We are talking about guns and IED's, not 1650 pound explosivse. Stay on topic.

Ummm...yeah, its on topic

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 21):
Whose talking about Iraq here?

It's one and the same thing.

Iran suppling arms to insurgents in Iraq.
Iran suppling arms to insurgents in Afghanistan.

See a pattern here?

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 21):
We are talking about guns and IED's, not 1650 pound explosivse. Stay on topic.

Uh, read the source material yet? Now might be a good time.


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
It's one and the same thing.

Iran suppling arms to insurgents in Iraq.
Iran suppling arms to insurgents in Afghanistan.

See a pattern here?

No its not the same at all, the relations between Taliban who are hardcore Wahhabi's and the Iranians who are hardcore shias have been in dumps for years. The Iranian weapons being used in Iraq are also killing a lot of sunni muslims in the sectarian war taking place, supplying weapons to sunni's on on side and killing them on th other would be a senseless strategy.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 22):
Ummm...yeah, its on topic

Sorry I did not read that part.



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25 TZ757300 : Not a problem, just pointing out what you missed
26 MDorBust : And Iran was chummy with Iraq? Unless your over all goal has nothing at all to do with islamic tribes and instead is the destabilization or erradicat
27 Post contains images Emirates773ER : No Iran was not chummy with Iraq because a Hardcore Sunni was rulling over the shias and torturing them, just like the Taliban. Yeah right, replace o
28 MDorBust : Someone isn't thinking outside the box very much today. What is the most likely result of giving the Taliban weapons? They'll use them to kill Americ
29 AirPacific747 : Time to bomb Iran....
30 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Would have been better, had he opened with something more along these lines . . . Good source material, although, the only potential issue (as far as
31 Emirates773ER : Nope, I just don't like to jump onto band wagons without any proof. Thr is a thin line between thinking outside the box and making assumptions. Proof
32 Baroque : in wonder where the DPNK get the heroin supplies that they seemed to be running to Aus a few years ago. They certainly were, and it would be some sor
33 MDorBust : Proof as in the piles of captured material and personel in Afghanistan and Iraq?
34 Emirates773ER : We are talking about Iraq and this is not sufficient proof.
35 MDorBust : What? The piles of weapons isn't sufficient proof of the existence of... the piles of weapons?
36 Post contains links Joni : Of course, these claims that Iran is conspiring to destroy the US should be taken with a _huge_ grain of salt. Here's an Inter Press Service story on
37 MDorBust : Who made the claim that Iran is conspiring to destroy the US?
38 Emirates773ER : Yup, just like the proof of WMD existing but not exisiting at the same time.
39 AndesSMF : Let's see, what is the religious affiliation of the regime in Syria? And does Syria and Iran have a good 'working' relationship? See a pattern? A US
40 Baroque : Agreed that Iran does not want a strong Taliban. At first Iran was quite happy with the US presence in Afghanistan, and what happened to change that
41 MDorBust : I'll take it you never actually read the ISG report for yourself and just accepted that WMD's were never found. But that's just a red herring. I'll t
42 Emirates773ER : Delusional? Mate have you got any idea what you talking about? This is what came out of th white house: Why the hell would I take your statment over
43 N1120A : "It is not as clear in Afghanistan which Iranian entity is responsible" "We know about illegal movements of munitions across the border from Iran to
44 Joni : The head of the ISG was also under the impression that the WMDs weren't found (and the few odd, old shells mentioned in the appendix still don't coun
45 HAWK21M : Are you saying Bomb Iran or bomb the military sites in Iran.What would you say if the Iranian govt thought the other way around regarding bombing oth
46 Baroque : On the principle of "follow the money" you first have to account for the heroin money. They are not giving that stuff away. We know it is grown harve
47 AirPacific747 : Just the military. Sorry for the confusion.
48 MDorBust : Pakistan needs looking at for their behavior of late, but I don't believe in this situation. There is one very damning thing in regards to Iran. We k
49 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Well this thread is quickly spiralling out of control. I'd really love to join you, and stick my head in the sand, but I just can't ignore what's goin
50 AirCop : Apparently your boss (Sec Gates) and the British is also making the same statements as Emirates773. Of course nothing is wrong with pressuring Iran t
51 Post contains images HAWK21M : The Difference in Pakistan is that the Dictator is not opposing Bush publically regds MEL
52 N1120A : Your bosses wont even say that, so why should we?
53 UH60FtRucker : IIRC SecDef's comments came early on during the development of this story. Here is a more recent quote from General Pace: ---------------------------
54 UH60FtRucker : See prior post.
55 N1120A : I quoted Pace and he doesn't know who is sending the arms either.
56 TheCol : Exactly! Whether the Iranian government is helping the insurgents or not, Iran is totally responsible for actions by their citizens on their own turf
57 Post contains links and images Windshear : I think it is amazing that some people here, would rather deny Iran's involvements, than look at the facts handed to them. I am just curious as to how
58 Allstarflyer : It doesn't matter, because as TheCol said . . . Since UH60 was the target of Iranian weaponry, I'd say he has the ability to say that Iran is supplyi
59 ME AVN FAN : - Right you are, BUT there are some serious questions _: > Is it assumed that Iran delivers the weapons free-of-charge, which I severely doubt, and i
60 Post contains images MDorBust : Thanks for giving us an example of being an apologist.
61 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : apologist ? apologizing what for ? for the Iranians wanting to use nuclear energy for civilian purposes ???
62 MDorBust : "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. "
63 AndesSMF : The rise of the price of oil has allowed Iran and Venezuela to use their money for other purposes. The question MAF, is: Does a successful and more d
64 ME AVN FAN : Democracy in Iraq will neither benefit nor harm the Mullahs. Real democracy in Afghanistan in reality is far away, but IF in action would not have mu
65 Halls120 : Unbelievable. Because Gen. Pace doesn't have the name and address of the weapons dealer in Iran who is exporting these weapons, you are still trying
66 ME AVN FAN : - It is very simple. If it cannot be found out who was the shipper and who was the forwarder and who the "importer" (smuggler in other words), it is
67 Aaron747 : Time to cut Iran off from the global economy.
68 Beaucaire : It's rather the opposite that should be done -bind them into our systems,forge economic ties,cultural partnerships,bi-lateral projects and think posi
69 Post contains images L410Turbolet : ...maybe even sell them few Exocets here and there. Glad to see appeasment is alive and well back in France...
70 ME AVN FAN : - Most armament producers in the world, incl USA, Russia, France, Egypt, India etc sell the stuff to interested folks, and then there are private wea
71 Cfalk : Please name one, just one example where that has worked.
72 Aaron747 : The arms trade is among the worst of all global industries with blood on everyone's hands. Not a single of the named countries can lay claim to not h
73 Beaucaire : Russia is a good example where co-operation and financial investments have clearly eased tensions. Libya was considered a rogue state-now they do pro
74 Baroque : Hey, now that is just a great idea and we can follow it on by banning drug sales from Afghanistan. That will cripple both Afghanistan and Iran, not t
75 BMIFlyer : Strange how we have been saying this all along, yet people thought we were making it up. It's plainly obvious what Iran is up to. It is time Iran was
76 Beaucaire : So let's nuke the hell out of them,for the sake of security ??? Can you imagine what will happen in a country like Pakistan,once you try to move into
77 QR332 : I don't buy it. Why would Iran sell arms to their arch-enemies? The Iranians are hardline Shi'aas. The Taliban are hardline Sunnis. The Taliban used t
78 Queso : No house-to-house fighting, no liberation, no insurgency- we need to learn from the mistakes we've made in Iraq. No chance for the media to bitch abo
79 Beaucaire : A great lesson of US -style democracy - nuke the rebel governments out of power and replace them with GWB clones... It works so well in Iraq ,Afghani
80 QR332 : The ironic thing is that people around the world wish that very thing upon the US - for them to choose wisely. So you advocate such things against Ir
81 Halls120 : Another Iranian apologist, I see. Again, here is what Gen Pace said: "It is not as clear in Afghanistan which Iranian entity is responsible, but we h
82 Post contains links Beaucaire : When Henry Kissinger authorized Shaul Eisenberg to arm Pol Pot,China ,Somoza in Nicaragua...nobody seemed to care ...it was then declared support to c
83 QR332 : Same goes for your precious America. Your weapons have supplied many over the years, so don't give the whole holier-than-thou attitude. Since we're o
84 DavestanKSAN : Come on QR332, lets put things into some perspective here. Granted, the intel leading up to the Iraq war wasn't sufficient, but this is a whole diffe
85 AirPacific747 : Wouldn't they rather support taleban in order to get rid of the US first, then get rid of the Sunnis afterwards? maybe the US is just higher on their
86 TheCol : What about the rest of the soldiers, from other nations, dying via Iranian weapons? Just because "the US did it" doesn't mean it's a valid excuse for
87 AndesSMF : And Syria is hardline Shi'a, too? See, Iran and Syria are well known to work together (enemy of my enemy...), and you are not able to say that Syria
88 Post contains images Halls120 : the difference is, we aren't claiming sainthood, unlike all the Iran apologists on Anet. What about it?
89 N1120A : In reality, it doesn't have much, if anything, to do with religious differences between the countries. Iran's main problem with the Taliban is that t
90 Post contains links Cairo : Which are what, exactly? Israel? Oil? Anything else? 1. Israel's security, already guaranteed by its own military, would be further enhanced by a sim
91 QR332 : The build up to the war was exactly like with Iran. The Bush administration pointed fingers everywhere, made completely unbased accusations, and led
92 QR332 : What is going on in Lebanon and Gaza has nothing to do with Iran. Its just war-hungry people like yourself making links that don't exist. Of course,
93 Baroque : Well I was working up to a reply to all of that but QR332 did a much better job, Inter alia: The only bit he might have missed is the similarity to t
94 ME AVN FAN : - But you singled out one particular nation, which is not an objective way. - - this in fact is subject to speculation. But my guess is that the Iran
95 Post contains images Halls120 : What does Gen Pace's status have to do with the issue under discussion? Nothing, but that doesn't stop you from injecting into the discussion as a wa
96 Post contains links Beaucaire : If not on a.net maybe in the Pentagon.. Here
97 QR332 : You destroy other countries in the process and then convince yourselves you've helped them. Its not like US foreign policy has become any better sinc
98 TheCol : Last time I checked, the forces in Afghanistan (ISAF) were under NATO control. ISAF command is rotated annually to different ranking officials from o
99 Post contains images Halls120 : And how does that make us any different from any other country? History is filled with similar examples. BTW, do you think Germany and Japan aren't b
100 QR332 : NATO control or not, who's war is this? We can play with technicalities all day long, the conflict is perceived as America's, and hence other nation'
101 Post contains images Baroque : By and large, and compared with other Iran threads, you are right. However, unless Tomahawk missiles have increased their payloads up to hundreds of
102 DavestanKSAN : First of all, I want to apologize for the Iraq comment. The reason I said that is because I didn't want to base my reply on the intel failures leadin
103 Post contains images Halls120 : I am not advocating anything other than to respond to your criticism of the US acting in its own interest by noting that every country acts in its ow
104 Post contains images Windshear : I do not have access to any US media, besides CNN Intl. Which airs more Qatar airways commercials now a days than they broadcast live news events so
105 AndesSMF : How many countries have followed the path of communism since the fall of the USSR? Following the same line of thinking, how many groups used the crea
106 ME AVN FAN : This conclusion is just your assumption. Maybe so of course. But not even Mr Ahmedinejad has ever said so. -
107 Post contains images Baroque : Quite a few since you ask. And would you not think it was a major failure from the west that they allowed and even encouraged conditions where this c
108 ME AVN FAN : quite to the contrary, the West, governments and media like, praised the fundamentalists as the oppressed democrats, and gave them political asylum e
109 QR332 : I appreciate the comment, but please excuse me if I get a little defensive sometimes, i'm just sick of hearing the same excuses time and time again o
110 ME AVN FAN : - They may have sold weapons to the Taliban, whenever even that is rather doubtful, but they for sure sure do NOT support the Taliban and never will.
111 Jaysit : I'm sure its not just Iran thats supplying arms to the Taliban. Various groups in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia with or without the blessings and funding
112 ME AVN FAN : it probably is similar or even worse in case of Iran, where there is the "state leadership" and the "religious/political leadership" and the "religio
113 Baroque : Arguably, it was a worse mistake during the invasion of Afghanistan to lose Hekmatyar than to lose either or both of OBL and Omar. It is not as if H'
114 Post contains images Windshear : An Israeli ship was hit by a sophisticated Iranian anti ship missile. Hamas are supported by more than just diplomatic back slaps, that's for sure. B
115 ME AVN FAN : no, just for an explanation for something unexplainable. Why does somebody sell weapons to a political adversary ? The only explanation is a kind of
116 AndesSMF : It is called 'enemy of my enemy'. Why did the UK and US help the USSR during WWII, when they were so different from each other? I could even bring up
117 Post contains images Baroque : Please don't, but then again, you could only bring up Aoun and his strange alliances if you had swallowed them. Hmm, that seems a problematical offer
118 Allstarflyer : Is it possible that weapon types have certain noticeable characterisitics? Not even half the US public is "running towards" the current war, much les
119 Windshear : Reading the latest issue of Newsweek, I found this interesting and relevant bit: A recent train accident in Turkey offered clues about alleged Iranian
120 Halls120 : Can't wait to see how MAF and the rest of the Iran apologists spin this one. Popcorn, anyone?
121 Post contains links Windshear : Two set of links on how everyday Iran is like: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6744841.stm Fifty-seven Iranian economists have launched a scath
122 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : It is easy. Iran produces weapons, Saudi Arabia supports some fundamentalist Sunni groups but does NOT produce weapons. The heads of state of both co
123 Baroque : And click "this is your captain speaking, there is absolutely nothing to worry about". Click!
124 ME AVN FAN : and why should there be a connection in this regard to Israel and the USA ???? The main problem in Iran is the point that religious clerics and relig
125 Post contains images QR332 : Yes, in my opinion it was a coincidence. Hamas takes any opportunity it can to hurt Israeli soldiers, and Hezbollah was trying to force a POW exchang
126 Aaron747 : Why does CNN International air so many QR commercials anyway? I've always wondered about that...between QR and CX there's almost no commercial airtim
127 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Before you point out how "wrong" I am, how about offering some source material to backup your position? What about "of course the US had its own inte
128 Windshear : No comments on the articles I posted excerpts from? Oh well... Coincidence? On June 25th 2006 Qassam brigade fighters attacked an IDF post through a t
129 QR332 : The US public obviously didn't think that invading a country under false pretenses was such a big deal, then. If it was, they wouldn't have voted for
130 Post contains links Aaron747 : It's a well-known fact to just about everyone here, but here's a good starting point: http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp11.html There
131 ME AVN FAN : whomever voted for GWB voted A) for a thoroughly immoral president B) for a continuation of the US-occupation of Iraq C) against change - what "natio
132 Post contains images Baroque : If either were half as clever as is being supposed by some posters on this thread, they would not be in half of the difficult situations that both fi
133 Allstarflyer : Iraq and Afghanistan (or you could call it "democracy building"). QR and Aaron, even though I'm obviously so pro-US I probably bleed it, thanks for t
134 Cedars747 : Haha...... how things have changed ! from american to Iranian...a lot of change ! Alex!!!
135 ME AVN FAN : - yes, "democracy-building" sounds better. -
136 QR332 : That argument is flawed. The intention when going into either of the two countries wasn't to help out. With Afghanistan, it was to capture OBL and to
137 Baroque : And the last laugh is that Iraq oil potential is likely much less than it is hyped up to be, and if peak oil occurs about now or very soon as has bee
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