Quoting Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban: NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain.
This is not small beans, folks.
This is serious weaponry that can cause a lot of damage and kill a lot of coalition soldiers.
Quote: Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community.
They're doing this in Iraq.... why is it such a big surprise they would be doing this in Afghanistan.
They want American soldiers dead. D-E-A-D.
And we're not doing a damn thing about it.
Quote: "I think their goal is to make it very clear that Iran has the capability to make life worse for the United States on a variety of fronts," said Seth Jones of the Rand Institute, "even if they have to do some business with a group that has historically been their enemy."
So they're attempting to make our live very difficult... and we're doing what about this?
Quote: The coalition analysis says munitions recovered in two Iranian convoys, on April 11 and May 3, had "clear indications that they originated in Iran. Some were identical to Iranian supplied goods previously discovered in Iraq."
The April convoy was tracked from Iran into Helmand province and led a fierce firefight that destroyed one vehicle, according to the official analysis. A second vehicle was reportedly found to contain small arms ammunition, mortar rounds and more than 650 pounds of C4 demolition charges.
A second convoy of two vehicles was spotted on May 3 and led to the capture of five occupants and the seizure of RPG-7mm rockets and more than 1,000 pounds of C4, the analysis says.
Also among the munitions are components for the lethal EFPs, or explosive formed projectiles, the roadside bombs that U.S. officials say Iran has provided to Iraqi insurgents with deadly results.
So why aren't we engaging these targets? Why are we confronting Iran on this? What is it going to take to show that "No.... The Iranian government is NOT our friend. And no... our current "talking" is NOT working."
I suspect the apologists and Bush haters will be around soon.
Some will say that this is all part of Bush's (actually it's the evil neo-cons running the show behind his back) plan to go to war with Iran. Some will say that we shouldn't do anything about this since we run the risk of angering Iran.
Hey guess what, we already are at war with Iran, By proxy. And they sure are pretty mad with the US already, abducting American citizens and all.
We've already seen the lengths the apologists will go to. We found the EFPs, sniper rifles, Iranian soldiers and mortars in Iraq and they found a million excuses for it. Finding the same stuff going on in Afghanistan won't change their minds at all. After all, they still believe Iran's nuclear program is peaceful research.
Actually, we've painted ourselves into a nice little corner here. If our Iraq adventure had indeed been a UN sanctioned effort, with true multilateral involvement, I doubt Iran would be interfering to the extent they are at this time.
We simply don't have the conventional strength to take Iran on directly. Not while we are fully engaged in Iraq.
Maybe we can get the UN to pressure Iran, but I doubt it.
CasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5386 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2919 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 7): No but Iran wants to, and anything they get the Taliban will get.
Here is the problem. our action in Iraq has cost far too much. We have no colateral to bargain against attacking Iran. Wars cost money and resources, and no one follow a percieved fool to war.
Right now, the US is the fool, and the rest of the world is letting us suffer for it. Even if it is at their own perril.
I never trusted Iraq, Iran, or North Korea to do the right thing, and it seems i was correct in that assumption. Right now Iran is using all the leverage it can , in order to advance it's own agenda. Should they be stopped? I am not sure. I still feel there are a lot of good people in Iran, however the leadership is absolutely crooked and agenda driven.
I know i have disagreed with the situation in Iraq to no end, but it still does not bode well if Iran is running support and interferece for Iraq and Afghanistan. We definately don't have the resources ans people in region to handle the issue.
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31796 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2911 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 7): No but Iran wants to, and anything they get the Taliban will get
Its not only Iran,but North Korea & Pakistan too.These countries if not secured enough lose their weapons to Terrorists that would target the popular Democracies.The problem is that theres no unity among the Democratic forces itself.
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
Interesting article in Newsweek (6/11/2007) this week "The Lady and the Veep". Apparently SOS Rice and VP Cheney views of how to deal with Iran are opposite of each other. Rice favors a diplomatic approach to Iran, and well everyone knows what Cheney would like to do. At the current time Rice seems to have more horsepower in DC, so her positions are winning out right now.
Quote from the article "British officials who asked for anonymity because of the nature of their work emphasize that they lack hard evidence linking the shipments to the Revolutionary Guards, and that the weapons could just as easily have been bought on the black market in Iran".
Emirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2788 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 18): I'm sure you two guys can come up with a reasonable explanation for the origin of the seized materials... being as how it can't possibly be Iran...
How hard is it to get some weapons smuggled from Iran or the black market operating there. Iran helping the taliban would be like Russia helping the US to fight a war with China, you think its imaginable?
Iran suppling arms to insurgents in Iraq.
Iran suppling arms to insurgents in Afghanistan.
See a pattern here?
No its not the same at all, the relations between Taliban who are hardcore Wahhabi's and the Iranians who are hardcore shias have been in dumps for years. The Iranian weapons being used in Iraq are also killing a lot of sunni muslims in the sectarian war taking place, supplying weapons to sunni's on on side and killing them on th other would be a senseless strategy.