AA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
The Bush administration may suspend the passport requirement for travel to/from Canada/Mexico. IMHO I dont think this is a great idea. It has been known for the past several years that this requirement was on its way. If you did not get your passport...TOUGH!
Arrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2640 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1): I think everyone should have a passport anyway.
I agree. I take mine with me whether it's legally required or not. I had a good laugh in Phoenix a few weeks ago when the local TV station led with a story about a woman who had waited months for her US passport, and was only days away from a cruise out of Mexico. TV station got her congressman to pull a few levers -- happy ending. What's funny is there have been sooo many of these same stories in Canada, along with a major scandal over the line-ups at the passport office.
Bottom line here -- passport requirement is a GOOD thing for everyone - and it's only travel between Canada and the US (and Mexico I guess) that has been exempt. You wouldn't get into any other country in the world without your passport, and often a visa as well. I hope Bush doesn't back off (despite high level bitching from Ottawa).
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AA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1412 times:
Funny but true story. Several years ago, I was stranded in HNL, tried for 3 days to get out and could not. I had my passport with me. I bought an ID90 on JAL to NRT then NRT back to SJC.....If I did not have a passport it would not have been possible.
Most other countries travellers all have passports. Just leave it to the lazy Americans to not bother getting one.
Checkraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1396 times:
Quoting Arrow (Reply 3): and it's only travel between Canada and the US (and Mexico I guess) that has been exempt.
You could travel to most of the Carribean without one before.
Quoting AA787823 (Reply 4): Just leave it to the lazy Americans to not bother getting one.
That's a little harsh. I never had one until I had to travel overseas. I understand that this is an aviation enthusist website, hence most of us have a passport. But you average Joe doesn't have one because he didn't need one. Now that he does the wait times are horrendous.
The Gov't should suspend the rules for awhile. Perhaps in the interim carrying a copy of your application could suffice.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 20484 posts, RR: 56 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1396 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1): I think everyone should have a passport anyway.
On the other hand, I'm sans passport for the next ten or twelve weeks because I had to turn it in to get it renewed. I wouldn't mind being able to show the reciept and a driver's license if I wanted to go to Canada during that time.
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ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 5): Perhaps in the interim carrying a copy of your application could suffice.
Perhaps that would suffice IF such application were notarized or somehow certified as accurate. Otherwise, anyone can use Microsoft . . . . or fill in a blank application with whatever info they want. No checks and balances.
Comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4861 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 6): On the other hand, I'm sans passport for the next ten or twelve weeks because I had to turn it in to get it renewed. I wouldn't mind being able to show the reciept and a driver's license if I wanted to go to Canada during that time.
You could have gone to the Passport Office on Vesey Street and got a new one in one day. A short walk from Stuy...
Checkraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1370 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7): Perhaps that would suffice IF such application were notarized or somehow certified as accurate. Otherwise, anyone can use Microsoft . . . . or fill in a blank application with whatever info they want. No checks and balances.
Perhaps. But on the other hand it's nothing but feel-good anti-terror legislation that does nothing. Illegally crossing between Canada and the US (not that I've done it) is simple as pie. Wouldn't be too tough to slip through the woods somewhere.
No, not at all, unfortunately. The Alaska/Canada border, for instance, is a nice clear wide swatch - devoid of trees - that goes for miles. I've seen it of course. I've nabbed border crossers as well at Port Alcan.
Easy to cross. But, I'm REALLY worried about my fellow Canadians . . .
But then passports really aren't for the criminal types are they? If one REALLY wants to break the law one will . . . .
I can't speak to the border between the lower 48 and Canada. Although I've seen it, it has been at a legal border crossing - with my passport in hand.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6625 posts, RR: 36 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
Jorge Bush wants to give amnesty to tens of millions of illegals, with no means of enforcing any rule of law, why should anyone be surprised that he's talking about doing away with passport requirements?
Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1305 times:
I don't get it-the US govt has only been saying for about a year this was going to come into law. Since before 9-11 you couldn't fly to Canada or Mexico without one. And then they really cracked down. What are people thinking? I know cruise lines were kind of wish-washy about it on some trips, depending on where you were going, but I'd never think of leaving the country without one. But, I've had one since 1975. Europeans have had it that way for years.
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AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1300 times:
I've recently seen tourism commercials for Puerto Rico. I cannot believe they're actually plastering "NO PASSPORT NEEDED" throughout the ads. Are there actually idiots out there that think Puerto Rico isn't part of the United States? Jesus...
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12675 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
I bet GWB and many members of Congress have been getting an earful from the tourism industry as to the already and potential serious losses of business with the passport requirement. I am not surprised with this proposal.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1966 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1252 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12): I can't speak to the border between the lower 48 and Canada.
Can't say for the entire length of the border, but I can definitely speak to the NY/VT/ME section of the border. It is miles and miles of thick woods, with country roads that criss-cross the border with few, if any barriers. When I was a student at McGill in Montreal, the Canadian consulate made an error on my student visa, which caused me to be denied entry at the official border crossing at Plattsburgh. I simply turned around, removed the detachable visa from my passport, and drove a few miles into the countryside, and then crossed on an unattended country road. The honor system operates on these roads, and you simply tuck into the nearest immigration and customs office down the lane, and report your crossing. I reported myself as a tourist - and then sorted out my visa when I got to Montreal. (They neglected to advance the date stamp between stamping the issuance/expiry dates - so my visa expired the same date as it was issued. It was an obvious mistake, but one the border officials were powerless to ignore. Luckily student visas were separate pieces of paper).
Back to this thread... I'm not entirely sympathetic to the plight of those who should have been aware this was coming. It was announced ages ago, and has been well publicized both in the conventional press and within the travel industry. All airlines, cruise lines, travel agents, tour operators, etc... have known about this for at least 4 years now. In fact I believe implementation was already delayed once already. Obviously, someone who did not count on traveling, who is caught in a last minute need will get squeezed, but the passport offices should be making allowances for emergency travel and provide expedited service at all locatons.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5739 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
I don't agree that this is a traveller's fault especially if they applied early, following government processing time estimates.
I know someone who applied for a renewal 13 weeks ago. Back in late February the US was estimating 7 or 8 weeks to process renewals and applications. So this person thought they were allowing plenty of time for a summer trip.
Now the government appears unable to get to the current estimate posted on the website of 10 to 12 weeks.
Some travel agencies are saying it is really better to plan on 18 weeks now for routine service.
The LA Times had an article today which included comments of people being told "it's in the mail" but it hadn't been sent yet. Many of them had a flight within a day or two and couldn't get through to anyone at the State Department either by phone or e-mail even though many had applied at least 12 weeks ago. Some who did get through were told that their passport had been express mailed to them a week earlier, only to be told later that it actually hadn't left the building and was unlikely to get to them in time. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...837071.story?coll=la-home-business
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ADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 945 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1193 times:
I think that everyone traveling into/out of the country should have a passport.
However while GWB intentions are good with this program he once again didn't fund it properly to staff up the agency to give its citizens a good customer experience with these waits.
I renewed my passoport in February with "Expidited" service and it took just over a month to process.
Until the agency can handle the volume and the land/ship entries require the passport I don't see how a suspension of the requirement for those that already applied but did not get it yet can travel like before.
It's just good customer service to temporarily suspend the requirement and let them catch up.