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San Frans Asinine Anti-military Streak Is Back  
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

What can San Fran possibly try to get rid of now one might ask?

How about, the Blue Angels

http://www.examiner.com/a-768103~Dal...ve_to_ground_Blue_Angels_show.html

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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20636 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Thread starter):
How about, the Blue Angels

In all honesty, I've nothing against the Blue Angels, and have enjoyed seeing them at a couple of air shows, but if you've ever been in SF while they practice, the sound is deafening at times. With all the concern over keeping cities safe, and the number of accidents the Blue Angels have had, it isn't exactly prudent for them to be having rehearsals over the City.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8152 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Chris Daly has always been a loudmouth buffoon hungry for any kind of negative attention possible. If he really wants to ban the Angels over public safety (highly doubtful) he should pay the chamber of commerce the difference in lost tourism revenue. He's dirty enough to have a couple mil stashed away somewhere, I'm sure of it.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Gotta love those San Fran values, eh?

"CodePink, Global Exchange and Veterans for Peace, Chapter 69, are working with Supervisor Chris Daly on a Board of Supervisors resolution to address concerns over the Blue Angels."

Absolutely pathetic . . . really. No two ways around it. Pathetic.

All the more reason I never wanna have to go back to San Fran again. Too bad. It's a pretty place to visit . . . . unfortunately, it's governed by a load of screwballs, both in SFO and DC.

Oh, did I mention the CIty Board of Supervisors are all criminals?

Oh, why yes I did:
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User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Daly is a douchebag. Fortunately, he's the only one on the Board of Supervisors who's mentioned in the article.

Additionally, it seems that any resolution he introduces is non-binding, so he's just full of hot air:

Quote:
Daly acknowledged he is considering a call to halt the flyovers because, he said, “they seem dangerous and unnecessary.” Daly said he plans on introducing the resolution as early as Tuesday, but is still drafting the language. A resolution is not legally binding, but states a board position.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
but if you've ever been in SF while they practice, the sound is deafening at times.

Well, yes, but so are Harley Davidsons. Anyways, the Thunderbirds are practicing today over my house/office, and I have seen many people outside watching their performance. And they are not complaining.

Then again, we are not SFO.  relieved 


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
and the number of accidents the Blue Angels have had

Well they're really not that dangerous!

Quote:
CodePink, Global Exchange and Veterans for Peace, Chapter 69, are working with Supervisor Chris Daly on a Board of Supervisors resolution to address concerns over the Blue Angels.

...yeah I'm sure they're primary concern is "noise pollution."

Quote:
Daly acknowledged he is considering a call to halt the flyovers because, he said, “they seem dangerous and unnecessary.” Daly said he plans on introducing the resolution as early as Tuesday, but is still drafting the language. A resolution is not legally binding, but states a board position.

Well at least it's not legally binding, and the airshow will proceed as scheduled!

Quote:
Veterans for Peace takes issue with the pro-military message and the recruiting efforts that come along with the annual visit as well as what it refers to as the “noise pollution.” The group calls the event a public safety risk, pointing to the April crash of a Blue Angels plane during an air show in Beaufort, S.C.

Well... if I was them, I would be less concerned with the Blue Angels - who, since their creation in 1946, have lost 26 pilots in airshows or practice sessions. And more concerned with the city's ~70 homicides last year. Certainly far more of a threat to their safety, than the airshow!

They need their priorities in order!

Quote:
Just a slight miscalculation or a mechanical failure can cause a plane to “go barreling into the Golden Gate Bridge or a high-rise and cause a significant amount of damage,” said Paul Cox, a Vietnam veteran and member of the Veterans for Peace.

...Again, Mr. Cox ought to be more concerned with the plausible, and less with the possible.


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Anyway... their whole "noise pollution/potential danger" argument seems disingenuous and pathetic. Why don't they simply say what they really think - They are anti-military, and do not want San Francisco to be apart of any pro-military event.

Why the subterfuge and this secondary argument of potential hazard? Why not have the principles to say what they believe? Perhaps it's because they're aware of how out-of-wack their anti-military views are with the rest of the country?

-UH60

[Edited 2007-06-08 01:46:12]

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
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Just one more reason why I hope the big one comes and shakes San Fran loose from the continent and it drifts out into the Pacific. Are these the values that Nancy Pelosi is hoping to spread?


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20636 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
And they are not complaining.

That's not really my main point, so I'll repeat it. I don't believe it's prudent for aerial acrobatics to be rehearsed over a densely-populated area. Go practice out over the ocean or over farmland. Then come and do the show.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20636 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 6):
Anyway... their whole "noise pollution/potential danger" argument seems disingenuous and pathetic. Why don't they simply say what they really think - They are anti-military, and do not want San Francisco to be apart of any pro-military event.

I don't support the way they rehearse over cities, but I'm not anti-military.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
Just one more reason why I hope the big one comes and shakes San Fran loose from the continent and it drifts out into the Pacific. Are these the values that Nancy Pelosi is hoping to spread?

Come'on, dude... why do you need to say crap like this???

When you post this junk, you're making yourself just as crazy and nutty as the protesters you are angry at!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
That's not really my main point, so I'll repeat it. I don't believe it's prudent for aerial acrobatics to be rehearsed over a densely-populated area. Go practice out over the ocean or over farmland. Then come and do the show.

Well, unfortunately, doing so would make the airshow MORE dangerous!

Because practicing over the actual area you will be flying is essential. The pilots will use prominent landmarks as visual cues of when they need to initiate, and terminate, their maneuvers.

For instance, they will use a landmark - say building, as a point of when they should initiate their role. They will use time and speed in order to perform that maneuver. As they exit, they are looking for more landmarks to confirm they are within limits. If they see they are off, they abort.

Practicing over water only denies them what they need most - on the scene practice. Take that away from them, and you're increasing the chances of an accident.

-UH60


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Qoutes from the referenced article:

"Veterans for Peace takes issue with the pro-military message and the recruiting efforts that come along with the annual visit"

"the more challenging maneuvers are conducted over the Bay waters and that “commercial airlines fly over The City all the time."

"Just a slight miscalculation or a mechanical failure can cause a plane to “go barreling into the Golden Gate Bridge or a high-rise and cause a significant amount of damage”

The Thunderbirds were and probably will practice right over my house. But looking at their flight pattern, and the same pattern was followed by the Blue Angels last year, they try to avoid any populated areas.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Go practice out over the ocean or over farmland.

That is what they seem to be doing, since after all, SFO is surrounded by water. But the first quote kinda really shows what bothers them, doesn't it?


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20636 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 10):
Practicing over water only denies them what they need most - on the scene practice. Take that away from them, and you're increasing the chances of an accident.

I wonder how many major cities the Blue Angels perform over in their airshow tours? When they come to Portland, they perform out in Hillsboro, miles from the city itself. But when they perform at Fleet Week, it's right over the City. Yes, accidents do happen, and yes, one of them could land in the middle of a neighborhood.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
I don't believe it's prudent for aerial acrobatics to be rehearsed over a densely-populated area. Go practice out over the ocean or over farmland. Then come and do the show.

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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

but if you've ever been in SF while they practice, the sound is deafening at times.

Been there, couldn't hear the person next to me. (which might have been a good thing). Nothing against military planes, as they are the "sound of freedom", I'm not in favor of the resolution but imagine the fall out would be should one crash during training into downtown San Francisco on a busy Friday afternoon..now bring on the show..


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20636 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 11):
"the more challenging maneuvers are conducted over the Bay waters and that “commercial airlines fly over The City all the time."

Okay, have you ever stood in SF when a commercial airliner flies over? When the Blue Angels fly over? It's apple and oranges. A commercial aircraft taking off from the 1s gains a lot of altitude over the Bay before circling over the City. The Blue Angels scream over the City. Major difference.

I doubt if anyone who's posted so far has been in SF during Fleet Week when the Blue Angels have been there.

Edit: Except for AirCop who posted while I was composing.  silly 

[Edited 2007-06-08 02:00:57]


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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
I wonder how many major cities the Blue Angels perform over in their airshow tours? When they come to Portland, they perform out in Hillsboro, miles from the city itself. But when they perform at Fleet Week, it's right over the City. Yes, accidents do happen, and yes, one of them could land in the middle of a neighborhood.

And a meteor could fall from the sky.

Prior to all airshows, both the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds perform at least one dry run.

In some areas, they will fly higher in an attempt to minimize disturbance.

In Alaska, they literally have to wait hours for an available hour to practice over the airshow sight. During the summer, there are so many general aviation aircraft in the sky - many not in radio contact with ANC - that it's hazardous for them to practice. So they simply sit, and wait. As soon as a window opens, they take it.

Yes... they will practice outside the airshow area. They must remain proficient in their maneuvers and skills, and they can do this at nearby airports. However, it is very important they do a dry run (and the more, the better).

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
I don't support the way they rehearse over cities, but I'm not anti-military.

I believe you, and I don't lump you together with these protesters.

But I don't believe that their primary concern is the noise.

I believe that this speaks volumes:

Quote:
Veterans for Peace takes issue with the pro-military message and the recruiting efforts that come along with the annual visit as well as what it refers to as the “noise pollution.”

The noise almost comes secondary to them, and makes a convenient "out" for them. It would be far more difficult to fight the airshow because they don't like the military.

Look... whatever - they don't like us. Whoopie. But why are they opposed to the military recruiting new members? Of course this is a pro-military event. Its exciting, and it gives you pride in America's best. But why are they opposed to young teenagers seeing this airshow and the fleet, and perhaps becoming interested in a military career?

-UH60


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
I doubt if anyone who's posted so far has been in SF during Fleet Week when the Blue Angels have been there.

And me - when I was 12.

-UH60


User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
I doubt if anyone who's posted so far has been in SF during Fleet Week when the Blue Angels have been there.

They're loud, but that's never bothered me--the noise is most of the fun! However, once back in 1999 when I was working from home during 1 of their practice sessions, I got irritated because I couldn't hear my client over the phone. Otherwise, it's a temporary interruption at worst.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 10):
Well, unfortunately, doing so would make the airshow MORE dangerous!

Because practicing over the actual area you will be flying is essential. The pilots will use prominent landmarks as visual cues of when they need to initiate, and terminate, their maneuvers

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This whole thing is nothing more than another veiled attempt to push the military out of San Fran . . . . that's all . . .

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
I doubt if anyone who's posted so far has been in SF during Fleet Week when the Blue Angels have been there.

Nope. But Andrews AFB and Eieleson AFB and Pope AFB for airshows. Not a lot of difference.

Nothing more here Westy than Peaceniks run amok!


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Daly is an idiot and I'll put money his resolution dies a quick inglorious death. Watching the Blue Angels (or any aerial precision flying team) perform is breathtaking and I'd imagine a highlight for many during Fleet Week.

That being said, if one of A.nets famous 'libs' had posted an article titled 'Republican's asinine anti whatever is back', then linked to an article that showed ONE big mouth idiot, supported by three fringe groups, was proposing something outlandish, with no indication of any popular or governmental backing, every one of you who's blasted the city of San Francisco for this, would be quick to point out how one idiot doesn't represent all Republicans, and you'd be lambasting the poster for invalid and unsupportable generalizations.

Just read the comments, the locals are posting three to one (guestimate) against Daly and the resolution. Yes, there are more left leaning folks in SF (And Seattle, and LA, etc) than in many other places, and yes the BoS has stuck its collective foot in its mouth a couple of times, including over military matters, but some of the comments in here, lumping all San Franciscans into one group, amaze me.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20636 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Its exciting, and it gives you pride in America's best. But why are they opposed to young teenagers seeing this airshow and the fleet, and perhaps becoming interested in a military career?

Someday, President Bush should get over his San Francisco-phobia, and visit the City during Fleet Week. Some of the people commenting in this thread should as well. It's a time-honored, welcomed event, which creates a lot of interest and tourist dollars.

I didn't see a thing in the proposal to get rid of Fleet Week, all I saw was an objection to the noise the Blue Angels make, and a platform for that to push an agenda about military recruiting. Okay, big deal. The thing is, you need to have been to SF to see the entire production that is Fleet Week before doing the "San Francisco is anti-military shuffle".

Read the article and the description of what goes on:

"For four of the six days, the flashy blue- and yellow-striped planes soar through the skies over the northern waterfront at speeds reaching 700 miles per hour, and perform such maneuvers as vertical rolls. As part of the show, six planes group together in tight formation to perform deft maneuvers."

Four days worth of 700MPH maneuvers.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 19):
every one of you who's blasted the city of San Francisco for this, would be quick to point out how one idiot doesn't represent all Republicans,

And one idiot in SFO doesn't represent all Liberal Democrats . . . .

But, IMO, this guy DOES represent current, and growing, San Fran anti-military values . . .


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Nope. But Andrews AFB and Eieleson AFB and Pope AFB for airshows. Not a lot of difference.

Personally, I believe there is a lot of difference between these places and San Francisco, due to the geographic features of San Francisco.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 19):
lumping all San Franciscans into one group, amaze me.

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I still can't believe this resolution, if its even submitted, will be approved.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 22):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Nope. But Andrews AFB and Eieleson AFB and Pope AFB for airshows. Not a lot of difference.


Personally, I believe there is a lot of difference between these places and San Francisco, due to the geographic features of San Francisco.

We were discussing the loudness of an airshow - jets flying overhead . . . . etc.

You may have a point, but I submit standing 200 feet under a B-1 is going to be loud whether you're in SFO, EAFB, or Timbuktoo.

Regardless:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
IMO, this guy DOES represent current, and growing, San Fran anti-military values . . .

Example:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8C3PH0G0&show_article=1
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-08-san-francisco-battleship_x.htm

DItto:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten.../Articles/000/000/006/381ngctp.asp
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...f=/c/a/2005/11/09/BAG9RFKD1C82.DTL

A quick Google Search could reveal more.

[Edited 2007-06-08 02:29:18]

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
This whole thing is nothing more than another veiled attempt to push the military out of San Fran . . . . that's all . . .

  

And it's utterly sickening. This isn't about safety, noise, or any of those lame excuses. Anyone who buys that nonsense needs swift kick into the reality that is San Francisco and ultra-left wing anti-military CA. AndesSMF proved their reasons and intentions quite clear, if they weren't obvious enough.




-NWA742

[Edited 2007-06-08 02:28:27]

25 UH60FtRucker : lol... I lived at Camp Anaconda, which was also Balad Air Base. The Army and the USAF had tons of equipment flying in and out of there. Now I can tel
26 NWA742 : I'd be happy to watch that every day. -NWA742
27 AirCop : Jets are loud everywhere, but once the noise gets into the high rises just makes its extra loud..talk about loud hated the B-52's a my base.. I don't
28 Post contains links AeroWesty : " target=_blank>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...x.htm The Supes decided to take a stand using the Iowa as an example. 1) Against the exclusion
29 Slider : WAAAAAHHHH!!!!! Sound of freedom bubba.... Word. The Blue Angels are one of the most specialized flyingg units in the universe. They practice with me
30 AeroWesty : Nothing like coming late to the party, eh?
31 MDorBust : Uh Westy, have you ever actually been to a Blue Angles performace? The only high velocity manuver is the sneak pass. And no, they aren't allowed to g
32 AeroWesty : Yes, I have. Both in SF and Portland. Have you ever been to SF during Fleet Week? Ever heard the sound reverberate off the buildings downtown and the
33 MDorBust : No I haven't, but I've got some great experince with loud noises and sound reflections. However, I find it hard to believe that they are going to sta
34 UH60FtRucker : Well I dunno.... the Seattle airshow is pretty unique. And Kaneohe Bay is both beautiful AND loud. Like 4 or 5 years ago, when I was still in college
35 AeroWesty : When you've spent an entire week in SF during Fleet Week, you'll have some comparison. Honestly, I haven't lived in the Bay Area for 20 years now, bu
36 Post contains images MDorBust : Oh I have some compassionate understanding for the noise. But here's where it falls through. The Angles perform for a grand total of four days. And t
37 Post contains images AeroWesty : I've been there too, so I know the comparison. Have you?
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'll give you this one . . . partially (see below) . . . you know my position on that. THis one not so fast. The current administration will be gone
39 MDorBust : No, But I've played the golf course at MCAS Iwakuni. Play stops for air-ops if you know what I mean.[Edited 2007-06-08 03:29:17]
40 AeroWesty : The opposition to the Iowa took place in the summer of '04, right smack dab in the middle of Bush's re-election campaign and just weeks prior to the
41 ANCFlyer : Understood. Irrelevent. Administrations come and go. Memorials to fallen servicemembers is timeless . . . Shame on the SF Board of Supervisors - yet
42 AeroWesty : I understand. I didn't agree with it, but that's what they decided to do. Neither of us live there to vote them out of office.
43 Post contains images Aaron747 : Bravo for stooping almost as low as Daly, AT737. That goes for you too. Reasonable people in this thread have asserted that a good portion of the SF
44 Post contains images AirCop : Get away from the Bay Area, and Los Angeles proper, most of California is moderate to conservative in its outlook. Say whatever you want about Califo
45 PA110 : I watch the show every year. I love watching the Blue Angels perform. I lived right in the heart of the city for 16 years before moving slightly out
46 NWA742 : I didn't intend to imply that the whole state of of California is ultra-left wing, you misunderstood me. The point I was making was that SFO and othe
47 AirTranTUS : At my University, ANG F-16's fly over all the time. And when they are taking off to the NW, they are very loud, and we ignore it. There are some NIMBY
48 AirTran737 : Those protesters are the same ones that are out there calling you a murderer for the job that you are doing in Iraq. I also said that I wanted it to
49 Dougloid : Not the first time. They didn't want the USS Iowa either for similar reasons. I wrote this back then with a couple pictures of her sister ship, the US
50 Post contains links and images MaverickM11 : " “they seem dangerous and unnecessary.” Daly said he plans on introducing the resolution as early as Tuesday" Speaking of "dangerous and unnecess
51 Post contains images Superfly : For the record, I am NOT anti-military but I'll bring up a different perspective on this as I don't have strong feelings on this issue. I need to clar
52 L-188 : Jeeze, you don't think they might want to make a practice run or two over the local landmarks to make sure they have the timing right for their routi
53 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : I have no respect for a smart-assed answers like this. The honorable thing to do, would have been to say, "Yeah it was a comment made in poor taste,
54 KaiGywer : That'd be awesome!
55 Superfly : UH60FtRucker: I don't owe any apologies because I am not insulting you or the military. If you read my post again, you'd realize that. This is just th
56 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : FWIW, I've watched them a couple of times and it seems to me they spend most of their time over the bay, Flying in front of Chrissy Field, over Alcatr
57 Dougloid : I think I will ask Arnold Schwarzenegger.
58 Post contains images Superfly : LOL!
59 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Yeah, not so much. Sorry Sir, but the city and its residents are NOT working against the military. Pretty laughable if you think that's the case. The
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