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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

So tonight I got off work, changed clothes and made my way to the Metra (for you non-chicagoans, it is the commuterail train between the burbs and the city of Chicago). I got on at the north glen station of the milwaukee north line, but the train was running late and an announcement came on the PA that said after my stop the train would run express to union station (meaning no intermittent stops).

So I got on, sat down and put on my headphones. The train moved on, and about two minutes later I noticed we seemed to be going fairly quickly, but remembered this was now an express train so there was no need to keep slow to make the stops.

As we were plowing through the Golf Metra stop, I noticed we immediately started slowing down, and soon thereafter came to a stop. We all looked around and sat in silence for a few minutes until the PA came on and said "this train has been involved in an at-grade accident, expect delays."

Well, come to find out, we hit someone...with expected results.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1,6767581.story?coll=chi-news-hed

So, yeah. This is definitely my first experience with any kind of thing like this - it feels weird, but not. like, obviously I didn't have anything to do with her death, directly, I was an unwilling an unknowing participant who had no control whatsoever over her fate. Still though - I had some connection, and it does feel odd.

Has anyone else ever been in a situation like this, or have anything that can relate to this? I'm not ultra broken up about it or anything...obviously I feel bad, but there's not much I can do. It just feels weird, ya know?

maybe not. anyway, it's been a weird day, and I'm going to bed - check back here in the morning.


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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Only close thing I can think of is seeing an accident and a car rolling over 4 times. I just wanted to prevent that from ever happening, but I had no control over it.


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Well, come to find out, we hit someone...with expected results.

It's simple. 1. Expect a train at any time. 2. Don't trespass on railroad property. 3. Idiots that choose suicide-by-train are stupid, worthless motherfuckers who harm more than themselves. Don't they give a shit about the train crews and passengers that have to watch as their bodies get ground up like hamburger?


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
3. Idiots that choose suicide-by-train are stupid, worthless motherfuckers who harm more than themselves. Don't they give a shit about the train crews and passengers that have to watch as their bodies get ground up like hamburger?

Sadly, Mark, when you are that screwed up by life that you WANT to jump in front of a train, the last thing you are thinking about is how the driver and passengers are going to feel. All you want to do is go and sometimes catching a train is the only way.

Personally, if I was going to go, I want to be in bed with a large breasted woman sitting on my face. A lot less messy and less trauma for everyone else. Except maybe my wife of course! Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2295 times:



Was the woman suicidal or just retarded?


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2257 times:
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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
Was the woman suicidal or just retarded?

Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone to pay attention to what was going on around her..



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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):

Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone to pay attention to what was going on around her..

That's a more likely case



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone to pay attention to what was going on around her..

Looks like Darwin was doing a little house cleaning. How someone misses seeing an object the size of apartment building, that is blowing a horn that can be heard 5 miles, is beyond me.


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

I was flying Night IFR in a C172 and heard a friend flying in PA32 as he crashed into the ground at 250Kts and 60 G's.

That was a long time ago and It really made me remember flying is not a game. I was 19 at the time and learned that you can't be too careful as a pilot.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone

That IS suicidal.

Obstructing your hearing and diverting your own attention while walking on the tracks is sure to get you killed. It's a stupid as riding a bicycle against traffic whilst watching a movie on a cell phone.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Years ago, a fella jumped off the 17-story building where I worked. Thank God I didn't see him falling past the window.

User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

I really don't understand you people. If she did make a mistake, then its no reason to suddenly assume shes a retard - yes, she shouldn't have been crossing the train tracks like that, but for God's sake have some respect.

People do stupid things that kill them all the time. Thats no excuse to mock their deaths and say such things.


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
I really don't understand you people. If she did make a mistake, then its no reason to suddenly assume shes a retard - yes, she shouldn't have been crossing the train tracks like that, but for God's sake have some respect.

Don't get me wrong, a loss of life is nothing to mock fun of, but the way that it happened is definitely a thing to mock.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
I really don't understand you people.

If you'd like, I'll teach you how.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
If she did make a mistake

If? It's beyond "if." And it's way beyond a "mistake." It's a total fuck up.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
People do stupid things that kill them all the time.

It wouldn't be as easy to do if she hadn't been so damned self-centered. If she was going to do something stupid like talk of the phone while walking down the middle of an active railroad track, she shouldn't have dragged others into her world of pleasure and/or self destruction.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Is there a video of this? From some of the posts, it appears that there is, but I can't get anything from the link but a story. And that story doesn't publish some of the information posted here. I even registered for the site, but still no video.

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 14):
Is there a video of this?

This may be it. Warning not pleasant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g90C...viation%2Fread%2Emain%2F1632586%2F


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 15):

Nope, one its dated back in May

Plus, they are operating E9's, so it is very dated.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 16):
Nope, one its dated back in May

That's this one.

At around 5:53 p.m. on August 26, 1991, Mary T. Wojtyla, 41, of Chicago, was walking with her lawyer across the tracks at the Fairview Avenue grade crossing in Downers Grove, directly in front of a westbound train which was stopped at the Metra station. Apparently distracted by ongoing divorce proceedings, she crossed the center track and was struck by a westbound Burlington Northern EMD E9 pulling a "Racetrack" express train, estimated to be traveling at 60 miles per hour. Wojtyla was killed instantly; her lawyer saw the oncoming train and was not struck.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Or too busy listening to her iPod

I couldn't turn my brother's 4GB Nano up load enough to drown out the TV, which was at a normal level. Maybe my hearing is already screwed, or iPod's really suck. I'm leaning towards the latter.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
If you'd like, I'll teach you how.

No thanks. I enjoy not being a heartless bastard.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
If? It's beyond "if." And it's way beyond a "mistake." It's a total fuck up.

She fucked up. In other words, it was not on purpose. She paid for her mistake with her life, now move on. There's no need to sit there and mock it like a 6 year old would. We all make mistakes.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
It wouldn't be as easy to do if she hadn't been so damned self-centered. If she was going to do something stupid like talk of the phone while walking down the middle of an active railroad track, she shouldn't have dragged others into her world of pleasure and/or self destruction.

Are you kidding me? So you came to the conclusion, without ever meeting the woman, that she's self-centered, in a world of her own pleasure and self-destructive?

Spare me. You make it sound like she did this on purpose. Even if she had, have a bit of sympathy. Yes, its bad that people had to experience such a thing, but they'll get over it. Her family and friends won't. Why no consideration for them?

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 18):
I couldn't turn my brother's 4GB Nano up load enough to drown out the TV, which was at a normal level. Maybe my hearing is already screwed, or iPod's really suck. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Or you have the European version, which by law has to have a low maximum volume.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 14):
Is there a video of this? From some of the posts, it appears that there is, but I can't get anything from the link but a story. And that story doesn't publish some of the information posted here. I even registered for the site, but still no video.

Yeah - I don't understand why everyone is jumping to conclusions, when the most logical reason indicates only a bit of carlessness on her part.

As I said in my post, I was on what is normally a regular train - that is, making all intermittent stops. Because of delays, our train turned into an express train. It is extremely likely that the lady was present around the tracks at this time every day (these are commuter trains), and probably is use to every train approaching the station at a fairly slow pace and slowing down to a stop. In this case - it didn't. It plowed through going around 30-40 mph, probably going a bit faster than normal trying to make up time.

She probably saw the train aways off and assumed it was a regular day, and subsequently walked across the tracks without giving it a second thought - which, obviously, is always a bad move when dealing with 90,000KG moving at 35 or so meters per second in a straight line right at you.

But, again, even this is all speculation. It was hardly a mistake worthy of death, but - that is how things go.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
I enjoy not being a heartless bastard.

It's obvious you don't know me very well. If you did, I'm one of the last people you'd call a heartless bastard. I'm just realistic. Years in EMS tends to do that.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
We all make mistakes.

Yeah. But to walk across a railroad crossing equipped with lights, bells, and barriers? In front of a train with 600,000 candelas of headlights glaring and 120 decibels of horn blaring? That's one hell of a mistake for a pedestrian to make.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
in a world of her own pleasure and self-destructive?

How else would you explain it? It's not like she lit the filter end of a cigarette. She walked onto a railroad crossing at the same time a train was crossing it. Think about it. Human instinct stops people a split second before they do a life-threatening screw-up.

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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
It's obvious you don't know me very well. If you did, I'm one of the last people you'd call a heartless bastard. I'm just realistic. Years in EMS tends to do that.

Not exactly the impression your giving here. Realism is one thing, but mocking someone's death is another.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
Yeah. But to walk across a railroad crossing equipped with lights, bells, and barriers? In front of a train with 600,000 candelas of headlights glaring and 120 decibels of horn blaring? That's one hell of a mistake for a pedestrian to make.

And again, it cost her her life. You'll always hear stories of people jaywalking and getting run over, or stories such as this one. The people made a fatal error in judgement, it doesn't give us the right to mock them and be insensitive.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
How else would you explain it? It's not like she lit the filter end of a cigarette. She walked onto a railroad crossing at the same time a train was crossing it. Think about it. Human instinct stops people a split second before they do a life-threatening screw-up.

I'd explain it as a huge lapse in judgement. I doubt her last thoughts were "lets make all the people on the train see something really sick."


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 22):
I doubt her last thoughts were "lets make all the people on the train see something really sick."

You never know. I've taken care of loads (and piles) of people who wanted to put on a great show before trying to become crow food.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 22):
The people made a fatal error in judgement, it doesn't give us the right to mock them and be insensitive.

We all have the right to mock them. It's just not a nice thing to do.  devil 


25 Airfoilsguy : A bit of carelessness?? A bit of carelessness is locking your keys in the car. This women stepped in fornt of a train. That is complete stupidity. It
26 Planespotting : I say "a bit" because she likely had the same routine every day - walking somewhere near the train station at around the same time, and if she saw th
27 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : I find it hard to believe that anyone can ignore a 120 decibel horn that's getting louder really fast. I'm used to them and they're still painfully d
28 David L : That's what I was wondering. All I can see is that she was hit by the train. Careless? Quite probably. Stupid? Perhaps, Self-centred? I'd need to see
29 Airfoilsguy : There is a busy railroad near my house. I cross the tracks at least 2 times daily on my way to and from work. I have probably crossed those tracks th
30 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : Yep. My dad taught me to do the same thing. And he was a railroad signal maintenance supervisor for 4 decades. I've experienced malfunctioning signal
31 TZ757300 : That bottom picture scares the living shit out of me. I surely hope the guy didn't get stuck on the tracks or the like.
32 Planespotting : I have some more info on the death -- Apparently, she was standing on/in the yellow line that represents the safety zone - like I hypothesized before
33 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : [Edited 2007-06-13 16:52:19]
34 Steve332 : I was on an EI flight JFK-SNN-DUB a few years ago and the flight at the gate next to us was Egyptair 990. When I found out what happened in SNN the n
35 SkyTeam777 : I am wondering if the engineer of the train will have a job to go back to once this is all done and over with.
36 Airfoilsguy : Why would you be wondering that?
37 Post contains images KaiGywer : Especially on roads. While railroad signals might fail, it is fairly unlikely. Drivers running red lights happen all the time though. Smart man Why w
38 AsstChiefMark : I know engineers who've had three fatal hits and they just keep on chugging. I've never heard of an engineer losing his/her job for such a thing. If
39 KaiGywer : Probably the best thing to do. Get on with the job before you start thinking too much about it. That way you won't have problems later.
40 Farcry : Apart from the (to me) flippant attitude of some within this thread, why can't they just fit barriers at these (many?) crossings. Would that not help
41 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : The idiots drive or walk around them. Not to mention, many of the pedestrian hits occur when people cross where no crossing exists or walk along the
42 Farcry : Fair enough ACM. I would agree that the idiot in your picture is just being a total fool. But, if people are walking/driving around the (I gather) hal
43 Post contains images FlyingColours : The same reason they don't fence most of the railroads in the USA & Canada?, there are too many miles of track to cover, They have something like 20K
44 AsstChiefMark : 300,000 miles, IIRC.
45 Post contains images FlyingColours : Ok so I was slightly off with that estimate The amount of times I have almost been knocked down whilst sprinting across the road is scary, I amost go
46 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Here we go, Phil
47 Post contains images FlyingColours : Thanks, that kind of puts things into perspective, I forgot how huge the US actually is, I mean how many times smaller is the UK? Thats one thing I d
48 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Here is Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. That's how big the UK AND Ireland is. Here's the whole country. How's that?[Edited 2007-06-14 21:44:53]
49 Post contains links and images FlyingColours : That's one small slice of the Pie that is North America As for dumbasses crossing when they shouldn't, check out this close call http://youtube.com/w
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