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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Alright guys, the Canada Thread got a bit Long and as we have another race this week, I thought I'd start a New one....

As promised....



Here we take a Ride around the Indianapolis Circuit with Anthony Davidson, in his 2006 Honda.


A few Interesting things.....

Alonso is ALREADY whining, about his team....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6744297.stm

Todt is Upset that Ferrari's not doing well.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/06/12/todt_rues_lost_points/

Most Importantly.... Kubica is Ok...and wants to Race at Indy.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...6/11/kubica_hopes_to_race_at_indy/

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Alonso is ALREADY whining, about his team

Well, maybe he should stop whining and start showing good performance. Just look at Lewis Hamilton and how he's done in all of the past races. Six top three finishes out of 6 races, one of those a victory. That's something difficult to achieve for someone, especially a rookie. Alonso is winning, but not racing at his best, while Hamilton has exceeded expectations to an unprecedented level.

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Todt is Upset that Ferrari's not doing well

Todt has good reasons for it. For starters, Kimi Räikönnen, the new number 1 driver, has not lived up to expectations at all, and Massa, while still the better driver in terms of performance, needs to control his temper. Plus the car doesn't seem to be at its best as well. What's missing at Ferrari is a driver who can not only drive, but also has enough knowledge of mechanical stuff and aerodynamics, so he can have the crew do the proper adjustments to the car. Michael Schumacher was one of those people, which is why it wouldn't surprise me if he goes back to F1 as chief engineer or something.

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Most Importantly.... Kubica is Ok...and wants to Race at Indy.

Great to know he's OK. But if I were him, I'd take a break and not race in Indy, and have some time to reflect on things.


User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

OK guys....still time to join me there...... Big grin

Well, every time ive attended (04-) its been Ferrari 1-2s, so Ill predict the same, just based on history.

And Jean Todt can shove it up his arse, he didnt sign my hat last year, I got Schumi, Felipe, and Brawn on my hat but not Jean Todt....  banghead   butthead 

 Wink  Big grin


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Alonso is winning, but not racing at his best, while Hamilton has exceeded expectations to an unprecedented level.

Alonso just needs to step back, take a deep breath and then attack again. The smart money will still be on Alonso for the championship.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Great to know he's OK. But if I were him, I'd take a break and not race in Indy, and have some time to reflect on things.

BMW would be wise to give him the weekend off. He still needs to be cleared by the FIA doctor before he can race again.

Quoting GSM763 (Reply 2):
And Jean Todt can shove it up his arse, he didnt sign my hat last year, I got Schumi, Felipe, and Brawn on my hat but not Jean Todt....

That's because Jean Todt is a wanker.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Kimi Räikönnen, the new number 1 driver

When was this announced? I must have missed out on something.
Still, Ferrari is not showing the performance that we all know they are capable of. But they have been able to pull their act together before and the season is long. I think it can be an interesting second half.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Great to know he's OK. But if I were him, I'd take a break and not race in Indy, and have some time to reflect on things.

He's a race driver so try to tell him that he should take it easy, while he is used to drive around at speeds you and I can only dream about.  Smile
Saw an interview on CNN yesterday with him, and he will race at Indi. if he gets the green light from the doctor.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 3):
Alonso just needs to step back, take a deep breath and then attack again. The smart money will still be on Alonso for the championship.

In the end, I think he will show why he is the 2 time champ. Mind over muscle, sort of.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting GSM763 (Reply 2):
Well, every time ive attended (04-) its been Ferrari 1-2s, so Ill predict the same, just based on history.

They need a 1-2. Hope they get one in the US.

Alonso needs to relax...but I'm sure Hamilton will give him a run for his money, but seriously, who is expecting Hamilton to win the championship? Alonso will come through in the end...I can't see the Ferrari boys coming back to win the championship...



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting Sudden (Reply 4):
When was this announced? I must have missed out on something.

Number 1 in the team. I mean, the people in Maranello wouldn't be paying major dollars for a driver if it wasn't for the purpose of making him number 1, would they?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
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Quoting Sudden (Reply 4):
But they have been able to pull their act together before and the season is long.

Yes, but previously they had that German bloke driving. wink 



Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

I'll register generic support for all British involvement...

User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
Yes, but previously they had that German bloke driving

Who???? Big grin

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
Alonso needs to relax...but I'm sure Hamilton will give him a run for his money, but seriously, who is expecting Hamilton to win the championship? Alonso will come through in the end...I can't see the Ferrari boys coming back to win the championship...

 checkmark  Alonso is able to come back and win it. He's done it before, but the difference this time is the guy he's fighting is in exactly the same car. I wouldn't write off Ferrari just yet. One or two bad races for McLaren will bring them right back into the game. Raikkonen has a 21 point deficit and Massa 15 points it's a big ask but at this point in the season it's still possible. There are still 11 races left.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
I wouldn't write off Ferrari just yet. One or two bad races for McLaren will bring them right back into the game. Raikkonen has a 21 point deficit and Massa 15 points it's a big ask but at this point in the season it's still possible. There are still 11 races left.

I agree. A lot can happen, and will happen as well.
For ex., if Ferrari is not picking up their pace again, Sauber will hunt them down for second place.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting Sudden (Reply 11):
For ex., if Ferrari is not picking up their pace again, Sauber will hunt them down for second place.

Especially Nick Heidfeld. That man, after years of being in the bottom of the rankings, is on a roll right now. He could do something for Sauber which people like Heinz-Harald Frentzen were never able to do: put them in the top 3.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Sauber which people like Heinz-Harald Frentzen were never able to do: put them in the top 3.

...and that's bad...why  Wink The BMW looked quick at Canada, can it also be quick on other high speed circuits like Indy and Monza?
Dear media....STOOF
Signed,
Ron Dennis

Will he drive?

Sad that I won't be at Indy this year. Say what you want about the track layout. The Atmosphere is great. Speaking of IMS, who was "the voice of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway-" the fmr on track announcer. I remember in qualy 2004, Rubens broke the road course record (yay) and the announcer came on with the famous "a new track record!" My dad smiled at me and said he was happy I got to hear him, as there is no way in hell the Indycars will be able to break the oval record, as the cars would be going just too fast. Damn shame "the voice" retired.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 13):
...and that's bad...why The BMW looked quick at Canada, can it also be quick on other high speed circuits like Indy and Monza?
Dear media....STOOF
Signed,
Ron Dennis

And you're having a driver, who's being paid big bucks and won 2 world championships, who isn't delivering the performance he was supposed to perform, while you're outstanding rookie is doing much better than the guy you hired. Be warned: we're coming!  Wink

Signed,
Dr. Mario Theissen


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
He could do something for Sauber which people like Heinz-Harald Frentzen were never able to do: put them in the top 3.

Saubers issue was they never had the cash to move forward. They finnished fourth in 2001, but third is a realistic goal for this season.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 13):
Will he drive?

As much as I would like to see Kubica drive, it's probably in his best interests to take a week off. Another crash could be dangerous.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Especially Nick Heidfeld. That man, after years of being in the bottom of the rankings, is on a roll right now. He could do something for Sauber which people like Heinz-Harald Frentzen were never able to do: put them in the top 3.

Many of us keep mentioning that Hamilton has made literally no mistakes this season. I believe Heidfeld has been as consistant has Hamilton! This season he has really shown that he can race at the top end of the grid and has really impressed me this season.

So far this season he has finished in 4th, 4th, 4th, 6th, and 2nd, along with one retirement. That is quite consistant and with BMW looking faster each race, perhaps he will be challenging Kimi Raikkonen for a championship position unless Ferrari as a team improve. If he continues this fine form, I am confident we will see him at BMW next year instead of Vettel.

But damn! Get rid of that beard!

I look forward to an exciting US grandprix and will be looking out for some of you guys on the large screens around the track making asses of your selves!  

[Edited 2007-06-14 03:06:40]


Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 13):
Say what you want about the track layout. The Atmosphere is great.

absolutely, a million times over.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 16):
If he continues this fine form, I am confident we will see him at BMW next year instead of Vettel.

I don't think there has ever been a real question over Heidfelds seat at the team. Kubica has always been the one who needed to prove himself. The big problem for BMW is that other teams might take an interest in him, Renault would probably be the only team he would move to as McLaren and Ferrari line ups are probably sorted for the next 2 - 3 seasons and anywhere else is career suicide.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 15):
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 13):
Will he drive?

As much as I would like to see Kubica drive, it's probably in his best interests to take a week off. Another crash could be dangerous.

Which is what the article stated  Wink

And the big question: 2008?
Bernie has done this shit with George since 2003. I say 2003 b/c 2003 was the last yr the race was held in the fall. A few years ago it was 2 races, with a possible race in Vegas. However, I keep going back to one point: Who is going to lose a race? The Auto companies like how much $$$ we spend on cars, but the lack of a GP won't stop Ferrari from selling Ferraries to Americans, IMO.

CBS Sucks
STFU producers. I'd rather hear LouHam over Dario.

Memo to Skyper drivers: Stop crashing or we're sacking you!

Prodrive update!

Even more evidence that F1's future is not in Europe
As if the night races and India in 2009 weren't enough...


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

As to Hamilton not being on a major national talk show like David Letterman, it was dumb. Just for being a rookie with his exceptional preformance as well as winning a race one of the top levels of auto racing in the world is good reason for him to be on. That he is the 1st person of African herritage to ever particpate and win in F1 should have also been a good reason for him to be on.
Problem is that Letterman is a partner with Rahal in a team in the IRL, he wanted to promote a winner in the big race in the area of car racing he is involved in and a driver married to a well known movie star (Ashley Judd). Then too, F1 racing is way behind in interest in the USA, something many of his viewers even know about or follow. Another possible reason is that not the CBS Network that Letterman is seen on, but competitor Fox network, will carry the live coverage of the Indy F1 race, did the Canada race and it's owned Speed Network does the other F1 race coverage in the USA. CBS had the contract for many CHAMP car races, a competitor to IRL in the USA as to top level open wheel racing.
Good point about Hedfield not getting the attention he deserves. His several 4ths, only one dnf, and a 2nd in 6 races suggests he is very competive himself and has a pretty good car. Hopefully a few more podiums for him and his team.
I do hope Kubika skips Indy so he can fully recover and be healthy for the rest of the season.
The Speed channel is covering the qualifiying and tuning sessions Thursday/Friday/Saturday in the USA with Fox network carring the race in the USA on Sunday. By the way, our F1 coverage gets the video feed from the F1 network, but we have commentators at Speed's headquarters in North Carolina instead of the race site.
Lets see if Hamilton can get another podium finish. What is the record for consecutive podium finishes for a rookie or for any driver in modern F1 racing?


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
What is the record for consecutive podium finishes for a rookie or for any driver in modern F1 racing?

Hamilton is the first man ever to claim 3 podium spots within his first 3 races in Formula One. I guess now he is the first man to claim 6 podiums within the first 6 of his races Big grin

Hamilton has broken the record for being the youngest rookie to ever lead the Formula One championship. The record was previously held by Bruce McLaren from New Zealand who is founder of the McLaren team.



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
African herritage

CARIBBEAN decent actually. God knows how many times thats been said on here.

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 21):
Hamilton has broken the record for being the youngest rookie to ever lead the Formula One championship. The record was previously held by Bruce McLaren from New Zealand who is founder of the McLaren team.

Fitting that Mclaren's record was beaten by a Mclaren driver!  

[Edited 2007-06-14 20:23:02]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
As to Hamilton not being on a major national talk show like David Letterman, it was dumb. Just for being a rookie with his exceptional preformance as well as winning a race one of the top levels of auto racing in the world is good reason for him to be on. That he is the 1st person of African herritage to ever particpate and win in F1 should have also been a good reason for him to be on.

Maybe he can instead make an appearance on Jay Leno sometime. Personally, I prefer Jay Leno over Letterman any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  Wink


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
Then too, F1 racing is way behind in interest in the USA, something many of his viewers even know about or follow. Another possible reason is that not the CBS Network that Letterman is seen on, but competitor Fox network, will carry the live coverage of the Indy F1 race, did the Canada race and it's owned Speed Network does the other F1 race coverage in the USA. CBS had the contract for many CHAMP car races, a competitor to IRL in the USA as to top level open wheel racing.

Yeah, but CBS will have Jenna Fischer from NBC's "The Office" on Craig Ferguson's show. Letterman has had JPM, in his F1 days, on the show. Then again, JPM was more of a recognized name, so make what you will. Letterman, being a co-owner in the IRL, would be better than Leno, IMHO. Letterman would be more prone to watch F1. Leno, being a bike man, would be better for someone like Rossi.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
but we have commentators at Speed's headquarters in North Carolina instead of the race site.

No, Varsha, Hobbs, and Matchet go to the race every yr. They'll give on track interviews. For example:



I'm jealous of my dad. he's doing the pit walk about like.... and hour ago. Damn Berlin.


25 LH648 : According to press, Hamilton was late for the press-conference for 22 minutes, because his flight from Washington was delayed more than a 24 hours. Wh
26 Post contains links LTU932 : News regarding Kubica: FIA doctors made the recommendations to not clear Robert Kubica for the Indianapolis Grand Prix this Sunday. He will be replace
27 Nosedive : Wow, reading the press conf, Kubica was conscious through it all. On LouHam Hmmm Nearest flts to 1600: US 1482 DCA-IND at 1630, UA 7831 at 1645 IAD-IN
28 Waterpolodan : Kubica definitely was conscious the whole time, the accident happened literally right in front of me and the guy sitting next to me had some binocular
29 BA757 : I was joking with a colleuge at work on Monday, that if it had been me in that accident I would have survived the actual crash and then thrown up whi
30 Bill142 : Oh I can beat that. In F1 CE I won 10 races in a row, yet McLaren can only offer me a testing role. I also managed to win 4 in a row in a Super Aguri
31 Nosedive : I thought about that as well, but I was too lazy to look stuff up on flight aware. DTW or CVG are also probable. Vettel's 19. Though a huge longshot,
32 LH648 : According to Kubica's interview to German Bild he lost conscensness after first hit.
33 Waterpolodan : Well, I read the interview and he says he remembers catching air after going into the grass, and then coming to rest and moving his extremities to che
34 Bill142 : I bet at the point of impact the HANS device paid for every cent it cost.
35 Cornish : Is Vettel younger than Bruce McLaren - he was 19 when he won his first race and still holds the record as youngest. I also read in Autosport that Kub
36 Post contains images BlueElephant : Highly Doubtful that he'll win...a Podium....maybe if Ferrari and McLaren both run this race on Diesel and the drivers are on Meth....Not To Mention
37 LTBEWR : I had the parctice session on today, and one issue is the aerodynamic tuning especially the balance of downforce for the turns vs the straights. For s
38 Post contains images Sudden : I think we will this weekend see why Alonso is 2 times champ. He have had some bad luck(?) lately, but he didn't win any champions by just bringing i
39 Waterpolodan : After the first 2 practice sessions, it seems Mclaren is slightly ahead of Ferrari, and Alonso is fractions quicker than Lewis so far, though you coul
40 Post contains images Bill142 : Methanol or Crystal Meth But the guy who's been giving him the most competition has never been in the same car. DC thinks alot of Alonsos mistakes ar
41 GSM763 : Hey guys! Well practice today was tops, I watched it all from 9 different places, and it was magnificent. I tell you, when one of those passes by.....
42 Post contains links and images Bill142 : I was browsing Ebay and came across this. Short of an engine and a tub it looks like there is almost an entire f1 car there.
43 Post contains images CPH-R : Slightly OT, but I know what race I'll be watching as warmup to this GP
44 Post contains images BA757 : Shipping won't be cheap! You could buy it, build it up (difficult I suppose, no instructions?) then position it in front of a nice large TV (50"?) th
45 Bill142 : And look at the parts some of them are from different cars so I'm not so sure that it will go together without some persuasion.
46 Post contains images Sudden : And I thought I was crazy when it comes to F1. Aim for the sky! Sudden
47 BlueElephant : Per Speed TV during the Final Practice Session.... They had to change Hamilton's Engine....So he'll have to take a 10 spot grid penalty on the startin
48 BA757 : I've read nothing about that anywhere... A dam
49 Post contains images Legoguy : Tis a rumor. Hamilton on pole
50 B747forever : Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 47): Per Speed TV during the Final Practice Session.... They had to change Hamilton's Engine....So he'll have to take a 10
51 BA757 : Well I don't want to piss on your hopes, but he is starting P1.* * Unless of course anything would happen to his car/engine overnight!
52 Moo : So essentially you want Kimi and Massa to win on a fluke rather than their skill?
53 Post contains images Bapilot2b : That seems to be their only chance at the moment! Lol
54 BA777 : Hahaha very true! Kimi is way off form. Lewis will bring it home...
55 GSM763 : Good performance by the Mclarens today! Hamilton looked excited after getting pole, on the warm down lap he was the only driver waving.... Anyhoo, I s
56 Bill142 : It's possible that they had to change it during practice, but he won't have to take a penalty as the 2 race rule only applies to engines being used i
57 BlueElephant : Sorry About the earlier Rumor...It seems that he used a different engine (the one from the last two races)...for the first two Practice sessions.... A
58 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Eh, just go to the track New Rumor time! Save Monaco Grid: 1. HAMILTON McLaren 2. ALONSO McLaren 3. MASSA Ferrari 4. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 5. HEIDFELD BM
59 Andz : 5 hours since the last post and the race is two thirds gone, interesting..... All this posturing in McLaren is so petty, Alonso is such a girl, he sho
60 BAPILOT2B : I was expecting some discussion, even though it has not been as exciting as last weeks race this one has still been a thrilling one! Damn right, Alon
61 Andz : Great win by Hamilton, back to back wins for the newbie, Alonso second, followed by Massa and Raikkonen.
62 Legoguy : 7 races, 7 podiums. When will it end for this guy! Nice to see Kovalainen up there in 5th and Vettel grabbing his first championship point on his fir
63 Post contains images Scbriml : Another extraordinary performance from LH. I think Alonso will be starting to get a bit worried. Great driving by both of them when Alonso nearly mana
64 BCal DC10 : Nice one Lewis... continuing to prove why you are the best driver in the world this year and why I think you have one of the best chances of any drive
65 BlueElephant : Congrats to Hamilton!!!...I am not a Hamilton hater at all...In Fact he's been my favorite driver since I saw his three wide pass in GP2... But I hav
66 Post contains images Nosedive : Oh, but the Brits would never say that about Schumacher I only caught the last 25 laps, boring as hell. Questions: Is Ralf done? Will Ralf be replace
67 Post contains images Scbriml : Even the great Schumacher didn't make the start to his career that Hamilton has.
68 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Put someone in a fast car at the front, they are gunna finish in a good position. Dont judge him as being brilliant just because he can maintain/gain
69 MIAspotter : I always said it, the only thing LewHam is showing is consistency, we have yet to see him driving under the rain or starting from the back of the grid
70 Legoguy : Consistency is one of the main things required to be a champion / future champion. No one else this season has shown such consistency this season. No
71 Post contains images Nosedive : JV won 4 his 1st season. And JV is...not in F1. good thing to show, don't you think? Here's my stance on LouHam: love watching him on the track. Like
72 BlueElephant : Yeah he's got a fast car....but how did he get to the front?...Its not as easy as it sounds....especially if you've never driven the track before. Gi
73 Bill142 : Well atleast Fernando kept it togeather. Only about a second sepatrated them for the entire race which is quite impressive as well as making Lewis wor
74 LTBEWR : I saw almost all of the race on live TV today today and Hamilton just had it together with an excellent car. Alonso had an off start, a bad pit stop a
75 Post contains images MIAspotter : Easy, that way he shows what he's really made off, see how cool can he keep his head battling thru mid-field and how can he put some pressure on othe
76 Scbriml : Then you missed the defining moment of the race on lap 39. Alonso got an excellent tow out of the final corner (LH having just passed a back-marker i
77 Post contains links Nosedive : Well aware, but my point is that there have been "super rookies" before, so let's not ahead of ourselves and just let the guy race. Eh, Indy isn't Mo
78 Post contains images Cornish : Well the real experts seem pretty impressed. Ex-drivers are usually the hardest to please when you are a new talent in the sport, but the likes of St
79 Nosedive : Yeah, but similar things have been said about other drivers. Remember the hype around JPM? Wasn't Button supposed to be a World Champion? Weren'r McL
80 Post contains images Jamesbuk : All true aswell, yeh i agree, Cornish he's good, BUT is he only good at the front of that pack? thats what I'm trying to say. If he has an engine rep
81 Cornish : But he IS delivering - something all those mentioned couldn't. And its no wonder there is hype - after all if anyone had said at the start of the sea
82 Post contains images Bill142 : I think a mention should goto Kovalinen who managed to drive a very good race, making few mistakes and has produced solid results in the past two rac
83 Scbriml : Yes he did, but I interpreted that as "they tried but failed".
84 Sudden : Lets drop the Hamilton hype for a moment. Vettel did a fantastic race, and is now the youngest driver ever to score point(s) in F1. He managed to qual
85 Post contains images Nosedive : Wow Cornish, never took you for a selective quoter Few more reasons why you're making an argument where there no argument, Cornish Again, I've never
86 Post contains images Cornish : and I'm agreeing with you, apart from I'm saying the hype is justified and lets be honest if he gets an old git like me excited about F1 again, he mu
87 Post contains images Legoguy : I'm sorry but that's not what I ment by that sentence. It was ment to imply why have we not seen Hamilton battling through the field this season? He
88 BA757 : Enough of this 'lets see how good he is when he has to race his way through the pack' and 'lets see how good he is when he is a crap car' talk.... Let
89 Post contains images Legoguy : Does it matter if he's not good at fighting through the pack? He hasn't been required to fight through the pack yet because he's put in some amazing
90 Nosedive : Ok fair enough. Now if we can just get passing back into F1 we'd be all set, but that's another argument. Agreed. It has been quite a remarkable entr
91 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Not questioning that reliability and speed does count to an extent, e.g. look at redbull. DC has finished 2 races this season. Well my quible with th
92 Legoguy : That's because Hamilton isn't just the average rookie. I suggest you look at yesterdays race and research the GP2 races Hamilton has been through and
93 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Why? If its going to be so focused about how good he is because of what hes also done in GP2 why not call this GP2? In my opiniong as soon as they le
94 Legoguy : Why? Because people are usually hired in Formula one based on their GP2 racing. Hamilton, Kubica, Rosberg etc etc. These drivers would not have been
95 Jamesbuk : Like i said in my OPINION it doesnt count to me when they come into F1 what they have done previously, its a new formula, new tricks to learn etc Wel
96 Legoguy : Actually its more similar than you think it is. No, if you look at what I quoted out of your post,you said one of them has to win. I am asking you wh
97 Jamesbuk : He wouldve proved he can win a championship and win races, he's already proved he can win as he has. He hasnt proved that in F1 he can come up throug
98 Waterpolodan : To be fair to Schumacher, although his 2001, 2002, and 2004 world championships were earned in cars that were lightyears ahead of the rest of the fie
99 Legoguy : The cars may all be the same but the cars themselves are not far from the formula one cars of this season. And as the cars were all the same, that pr
100 Bill142 : that's how I saw it as well. Dosn't mean he can't be pressured off the road.
101 Post contains images Sudden : Man oh man!! Why don't you guys settle this in court. Or even better, on the race track. You could pick names from big F1 drivers, but I guess everyon
102 Jamesbuk : You really are a dipshit arent you? Have you not read what I've said in almost every single post? I have said "He has proved he can win races, but ha
103 Bill142 : Well considering Irvine and Barrichello had it in their contracts that MS always had to come first, there was never going to be a challenge was there
104 Post contains images Legoguy : huh? Getting a little touchy arn't we? I have read your posts clearly.With comments like the following you have not made clear... Your saying we have
105 Post contains images Nosedive : 5€ on the Scott Speed clone.
106 Cornish : Its often been said that there's far more skill involved in keeping a fast guy behind you than overtaking one. And certainly there's much more pressur
107 Post contains images Scbriml : Ha ha! As great a driver as he undoubtedly was, Schumacher did seem to like the "insurance" of a teammate that wasn't allowed to compete by virtue of
108 Post contains links Nosedive : None of them Williams Rosberg 2008 Or did you mean for 2009? Davidson may be one who has got some decent shopping clout, esp if Barrichello retires.
109 Cornish : If Williams are offered a figure to good to refuse they might. And besides, if a driver wants to leave most teams won't stop them.... I'm not sure wh
110 Sudden : I think Davidson has the potential but although SAF1 is doing better and better, he might not be able to show what he's made of in that car. He sure
111 Bill142 : SAF1 as a whole are doing a good job. Davidson and Sato aren't doing anything spectaular, well Sato isn't taking anyone out. The guys back in Japan h
112 Post contains links Legoguy : Honda are due a new aero package between now and the next race. Appartently an improvement in race pace of 0.5 seconds per lap can be expected. I'll b
113 Cornish : The problem being that everyone else will be working hard on their cars between now and the next race too. They may find some time in improvements to
114 Sudden : Like you wrote, it will not cause any headlines. In a way it's a shame as they looked really sharp at the end of 2005. Similar to what we see BMW Sau
115 Post contains images BA757 : Woo, easy now. Lets not take that attitude. To be fair, you do seem to be missing the point people are trying to make, and then hiding behind it's 'm
116 Post contains links and images Legoguy : I found this nice little video for those unfamiliar with Hamilton's GP2 days. Hamilton is the red and white car. Also included are some highlights fro
117 Bill142 : They can get one car in front through other methods rather then just telling one driver to go slower. Do you think Eddie Irvine lost th 1999 WDC simp
118 Legoguy : But surely if this was to happen, they would realise the British press would be all over them like a rash. What other ways are there to stop the two
119 Bill142 : Yeah pretty much. Bungle a few pit stops, employ Jean Todt and Yuji Ide..
120 Scbriml : There are plenty of ways - like calling a driver in early (or late) for his pit stop, deliberately putting the drivers on different race strategies.
121 Cornish : Many more McLaren 1-2s and the issue will be irrelevent. As Ferrari and their drivers fall further behind in the championship McLaren may not have to
122 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Haha, dont worry I've given up on this argument/discussion Did anyone go to testing yesterday? or going over the next 2 days at silverstone? Free for
123 Sudden : Yes, Both Honda teams are in Spain for 3 days. A lot of new parts are being tested on the RA107 but the times set on the track are kept secret. Might
124 Post contains images Cornish : Ah yes Honda testing in Spain rather than their local Silverstone track. That fits in well with their new eco friendly message doesn't it
125 Post contains images Bill142 : Similar to this? I believe it is some kind of aerodynamic measuring device or a high mounted antenna for improved radio comms.
126 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Nah, Alot of cars had them on though, but you see the black camera/roll bar? It was like that but about 1 foot tall and about 2 foot in length and ab
127 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Radio comms? Hell, back in the 80's they'd be looking for Soviet Submarines! USGP 2008? Bernie wants more money from the race. I think the fees of ho
128 Sudden : It was actually only the times of the RA107 that was kept secret. LOL!!! And Hamilton's real name is actually Hamiltonski who is a secret spy from th
129 Jamesbuk : Ok cool. Were all three of their cars running (including test) or just running the one? Also does anyone have some leak photos of new bits on the car
130 Post contains links Sudden : This is what I could find http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/gallery.php?catID=2834 Aim for the sky! Sudden
131 Post contains links and images Jamesbuk : Thank you! No doubt www.f1.com will soon explain all the little new bits and how they work. Looking at this photo Why does it have 2 white stripes on
132 Sudden : My thought is that this is to messure tare and ware, maybe. Aim for the sky! Sudden
133 Bill142 : I can't understand the need at a circuit like Silverstone, but at somewhere like Jerez where theres a mountain in the middle of the circuit I can see
134 Cornish : Well following my remarks on Rosberg ealier in the thread, it seems Ferrari is VERY interested in him. The new issue of Autosport magazine is out - re
135 Post contains images Jamesbuk : I take it thats more or less a quote from the magazine? thanks you saved me from buying it But yes I can see rosberg at ferrari, like the article sai
136 Post contains images Cornish : Oh there's plenty more in there besides - including far more interesting motorsport series than F1 the story isn't up on autosport's website yet - he
137 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Certainly, Michael enjoyed contractual number one status, but do you think that if those clauses were removed, he would have been beaten more than a
138 Post contains links Nosedive : DTM says "Hau ab!" to Ralf PWNED. LouHam and Lear Jets Then you add the rumored Renault-Williams swap b/w Wurz and Kovalainen.
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