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NYC Mayor Bloomberg Leaves GOP  
User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

In a follow-up to RJPieces' thread back in May: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1613941/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_el_pr/bloomberg_politics

"After some six years as a Republican, the 65-year-old former CEO announced Tuesday that he has left the Republican Party and become unaffiliated in what many believe could be a step toward entering the 2008 race for president."

So it looks as though we'll have a potentially viable third-party candidate for the White House in 2008. I'll have to do my homework on this guy, as the two-party system has demonstrated its worthlessness for long enough, IMO.

Thoughts?

Edited to add link to RJPieces' thread from May.

[Edited 2007-06-20 17:10:40]

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

First of all I honestly know very little about Bloomberg's politics or his stance on issues. Let alone his track record as mayor of NYC. Though I'll agree that it is worth doing some reading and investigating on that front.

Secondly it is a bit of a non-announcement in my mind. Seems to be me, by going unaffiliated, Bloomberg can sit back for the next 6 months or so, work on raising some money, and then lick his finger and stick it in the wind to see which way it is blowing..... and then make a decision to run and/or make his platform public. Frankly this makes me a little uncertain about him from the get go. I'd like to see him out stumping, even if it is unofficial, and making his platform made public sooner rather than later.

I suppose if he does jump in it will make things more interesting. IIRC Bloomberg is fairly wealthy and could, like Ross Perot, potentially self-finance a decent portion of his campaign. But I wouldn't doubt his ability to raise significant amounts of money to make a serious run. Which has its own implications for the 2008 Presidential campaign should he run.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Thread starter):
So it looks as though we'll have a potentially viable third-party candidate for the White House in 2008.

Great.....NOT!

Quoting CastleIsland (Thread starter):
as the two-party system has demonstrated its worthlessness for long enough, IMO.

...and his candidacy will wont stop it either. All he'll do is win a lot of independents that would have voted Democrat and the end result? A Republican President.
This Bloomberg guy certainly benefited from the apparatus of the Democratic and Republican party. I seriously doubt he has any sort of 'Independent' or maverick credibility.
He is just anther rich New York with a larger than life ego.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
...and his candidacy will wont stop it either. All he'll do is win a lot of independents that would have voted Democrat and the end result? A Republican President.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's too soon to tell what his effect will be-or if he's even running. He could siphon off votes from conservative Democrats, and moderate Republicans at the same time, and his effect could be neutralized.

Way to early to read much into any of this.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
his track record as mayor of NYC.

Outstanding to say the least, probably the most popular Mayor in modern NYC history.



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
All he'll do is win a lot of independents that would have voted Democrat and the end result? A Republican President.

From the article: "He supports gay marriage, abortion rights, gun control and stem cell research and hiked property taxes to help solve a fiscal crisis after the Sept. 11 attacks."

Sounds like a Republican to me.  Yeah sure

'Fly, of all people, I wouldn't expect you to support the status quo of US government; that is, the two-party grid-lock.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

CastleIsland:
What I meant was that a Republican would win if he ran. Bloomberg doesn't have a chance at winning.
As STT757 noted, he is a popular mayor and has done a good job as mayor. I think he should stay in New York.
It's easy to be a social liberal when you are the mayor of a big city.
My point is that he is hardly independent from the two major parties. He is just as much a part of the establishment as Giulani, Clinton, McCain, etc.
I have to wonder about someone that has changed party affiliations as frequently as he has.
He has changed political parties more than some women change there hairstyles.
I am sure Bloomberg is a decent guy but I don't see him as an outsider that would change Washington.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Superfly,

you are forgetting that Bloomberg has been a lifelong Democrat and only "switched" parties to run for mayor in 2001.


Anyway --not that this is an issue in my mind, personally -- but I doubt he will get elected because of the Israel factor. Our support of Israel is too controversial an issue at this time, and him being Jewish may affect him getting the liberal vote.

Edit: Sorry, you posted your response to C.I. before I finished this.

BTW, why are you so biased against rich people? Isn't Pelosi really wealthy too?

[Edited 2007-06-20 18:20:50]

User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
What I meant was that a Republican would win if he ran.

Yeah, I misunderstood. I don't necessarily agree, however.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I have to wonder about someone that has changed party affiliations as frequently as he has.

What that means to me is that he has personal experience with both and doesn't like either. Sounds good to me.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
All he'll do is win a lot of independents that would have voted Democrat and the end result? A Republican President.

That's not what happened in '92.  Wink



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
him being Jewish may affect him getting the liberal vote.

 redflag 
WHAT?!?!?!  Wow!
Are just beging to get flamed or what?
Many liberals ARE Jewish and many not all Jewish voters are liberal. It's the Bible thumpers that are VERY conservative that would have issues voting for a Jewish person.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
Our support of Israel is too controversial an issue at this time

 redflag 
The United States has always supported Israel and always will.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):
What that means to me is that he has personal experience with both and doesn't like either.

He switched to the Republican Party for his own political aspirations. The Democratic side was too crowded and it also earned him Giulani's endorsement.
Sounds like an opportunist to me.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
That's not what happened in '92

...because Perot was a center-right Independent.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
...because Perot was a center-right Independent.

We don't know where he's going to situate himself yet, what his platform will be, if he runs at all. Far too early to say that it's a Republican shoe-in if he runs.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Sounds like an opportunist to me.

Name me a politician that isn't.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
He could siphon off votes from conservative Democrats, and moderate Republicans at the same time, and his effect could be neutralized.

This is true....he'd present a viable alternative to people who are giving Congress a lower rating than they're giving the President.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
Outstanding to say the least, probably the most popular Mayor in modern NYC history.

I don't know about that.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
but I doubt he will get elected because of the Israel factor. Our support of Israel is too controversial an issue at this time, and him being Jewish may affect him getting the liberal vote.

I don't know if our nation is ready psychologically on either side of the political spectrum to elect a person running as a Jew. However if he runs as a no-nonsense billionaire with his own money and offers concrete solutions as well as a method for handling a partisan congress (look what happened to Jesse "The Body") he ought to get a serious vote count. As long as he doesn't start a new party.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
That's not what happened in '92

Yeah...Perot was more Libertarian than anything else. He siphoned Republican votes to a huge degree....not too many Democrats voted his way.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
him being Jewish may affect him getting the liberal vote.


WHAT?!?!?!
Are just beging to get flamed or what?
Many liberals ARE Jewish and many not all Jewish voters are liberal. It's the Bible thumpers that are VERY conservative that would have issues voting for a Jewish person.

No...the liberal vote is not very interested in supporting Israel right now, which is causing some dissension in the Jewish democrat ranks. At least according to my friends and neighbors in our little microcosm of politics here (both Dem and Rep).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Sounds like an opportunist to me.

How the hell do you think he became a billionaire...he saw opportunity and took advantage...since when is that a bad thing? How else does any politician take advantage?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
...because Perot was a center-right Independent.

Center? He was pretty far right....to the point of being a populist conservative/libertarian.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
We don't know where he's going to situate himself yet

Nor does he.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
Name me a politician that isn't.

I can't. In other words, he is just another politician and no reason for someone to think that he is some 'anti-two party' guy that's going to 'shake up' the system. Bloomberg will not be the 44th. President. His candidacy will not deny one of the two parties from winning the White House.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Are just beging to get flamed or what?
Many liberals ARE Jewish and many not all Jewish voters are liberal. It's the Bible thumpers that are VERY conservative that would have issues voting for a Jewish person.

I'll try to dig up an op/ed piece that ran a while back in the AJC from a Jewish guy about how a lot of Jews are voting Republican (and in his opinion, should do so.)

It happened to be written by a guy I know (a good friend of a friend of mine, who is also Jewish)


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1343 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
His candidacy will not deny one of the two parties from winning the White House.

Strong prediction....you may be surprised.....I would be as well, but I'm not writing him off in this contest. He has enough money to outspend both parties combined without hurting himself too badly. His message would get out if he chose to do so. That makes a huge difference. The parties will be forced to employ serious grass roots campaigning if he joins up....they'll have to make sure their bases come out and hit hard for the middle that doesn't go elsewhere......it may make this election really interesting.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

767Lover:
Don't waste your time. Rjpieces has been saying that in these boards for years. Election results and those elected to political office tell a different story and that is what I am going to go by.


DL021:
Would you support a tax & spending liberal that supports gay marriage, abortion rights, gun control and stem cell research?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

CNN is reporting Bloomberg is not running for the presidency in '08.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
CNN is reporting Bloomberg is not running for the presidency in '08.

This month.

I am sure he'll enter the race at some point.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
However if he runs as a no-nonsense billionaire with his own money and offers concrete solutions as well as a method for handling a partisan congress (look what happened to Jesse "The Body") he ought to get a serious vote count.

Which is what he will do. I didn't even know he was Jewish until somebody told me a few weeks ago. I guess the name Bloomberg should have tipped me off, but I really don't give a damn about the religions of politicians, so long as they keep it to themselves.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
In other words, he is just another politician

Except that his money is self-made, and he could mount a big campaign without having to raise a penny. That separates him from the rest of the candidates - he doesn't have to take special interest money.

I like most of the things he's done for NYC, he's a good manager, and he has common sense. I'd be surprised if he won, but at least I could look at myself in the mirror if I voted for him.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

DLO21:
Sorry I missed your reply #14.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
I don't know if our nation is ready psychologically on either side of the political spectrum to elect a person running as a Jew.

Is that just badly worded? He would be running as an 'Independent', not as the 'Jewish' guy.
I have no problem voting for a Jewish candidate and as you all know, I am very left.
I voted for Gore/Leibermann, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Tom Lantos, Howard Berman (when I lived in SoCal) as did most liberals has done.
I would be happy to see all of the above as President.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
he'd present a viable alternative to people who are giving Congress a lower rating than they're giving the President.



Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
(look what happened to Jesse "The Body") he ought to get a serious vote count.

He would certainly hurt the Democratic candidate in NH, ME, PA, DE, MI, OH, WI, MN and make CA, IL, OR, WA, CT and MD competitive while the Republican would be guaranteed all the red states and taking a plurality in some of the blue states I listed above. The final electoral count would definately put the Republican candidate over the needed 270 electoral votes.

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
but at least I could look at myself in the mirror if I voted for him.

...and I could look in the mirror and be glad that I didn't vote for him, allowing a Republican to win in a plurality.

[Edited 2007-06-20 19:47:39]


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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Election results and those elected to political office tell a different story and that is what I am going to go by.

Yeah, tell that to your hero Cynthia McKinney. Do I need to remind you of her 2002 loss against Denise Majette?


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 23):
Yeah, tell that to your hero Cynthia McKinney. Do I need to remind you of her 2002 loss against Denise Majette?

I remember that race very well but as you know she lost credibility when she punched a security guard. Now you have Wank Johnson as your Congressman.



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25 Queso : Bloomberg dropping out of the GOP is a non-event because he was never a Republican anyway. As far as his possible run for the Presidency, it's not ev
26 Post contains images Superfly : The only people that would vote for him are a handful of moderates in the north that would hand there states electoral votes over to McCain, Romney,
27 Post contains images NWADC9 : Bloomberg-another of the many RINOs in American politics. He'd be more fit to be in the Mama Knows Best Party with his silly rules. "Eat healthy! No S
28 RJpieces : Nobody has mentioned Bloomberg's wealth so far....Conservative estimates place it at $5 billion...In reality, it could be closer to $15-$20 billion. I
29 Post contains links 767Lover : Not according to this guy. Survey work done by [University of North Carolina sociologist --first name Christian] Smith supports Monsma�s asserti
30 Post contains links and images Superfly : Yet the conservatives here like to ignore that fact or is just completely ignorant and just support Israel based Biblical fantasies. Very true. Howev
31 DL021 : No...but that's not my point. I'm good with stem cell research, and don't care who you sleep with as long as it's a consenting adult....the others ar
32 STT757 : No he's not, he's worth about $6-10 Billion. That's alot of "f#ck you" money. He can tell the lobbyists, the special interest groups, big business, U
33 Post contains links Mir : Here's the text of a speech he gave on the 18th, in which he was very critical of partisan politics: http://nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/me...7.html&cc=
34 Post contains images Superfly : OK so who is playing up his Jewish factor? It's not the left. I think the GOP would love it if Bloomberg did run and played up the Jewish factor. I h
35 767Lover : That post was referring to your comment about conservatives not wanting to vote for a Jewish president. By the way, a survey/study is not a "rant." A
36 767Lover : Again, it was because of the crossover vote that she lost. Fly, it seems that you are taking my comments the wrong way. I don't think liberals have a
37 Post contains images Superfly : 767Lover: I thought you had better memory than this. I followed that election very closely. I know the ends & outs of that race. No need for you re-ex
38 DL021 : Dude...no one is so far, but it's been mentioned....he certainly won't make a big deal out of it. I was making a point to answer someone elses. Don't
39 Post contains images Superfly : Was John Lewis present when Billy McKinney made that remark? If you scroll up, It was 767Lover that dragged the McKinney's in to this debate. I point
40 CastleIsland : Having started this thread, I hereby declare that is all this thread is worth at this point.
41 Post contains images Superfly : :o So so sorry! I meant to type Hank Johnson. Gee I always make these typos that could have a double meaning. No offense to the honorable Congressman
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