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What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

...particularly those of you who've seen/heard the English incarnation.



http://english.AlJazeera.net


Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household. Quite interesting.

Also, what do you make of the comparisons to FoxNews?

What say you?

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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

Why am I not surprised to find out that Air America is giving props to Al Jazeera?


User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Al Jazeera is getting better. I have only read the online English version, not seen the station. It's op ed stuff can be a little off the wall sometimes, but maybe that is because we are seeing a different angle to things. It is certainly in the main less sensational than it used to be. Though the coverage it has given to terrorists who held hostages who were then beheaded is unforgivable - I think it may have encouraged the actions taken by the terrorists if they knew they were going to get their film on the news.

No idea about the Arabic version as I cannot speak Arabic.

The term FoxNews is a misnomer. The last thing this Rah Rah station is is a news channel. It is unbalanced infotainment aimed at the braindead whilst masquerading as news

[Edited 2007-06-21 04:26:03]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 2):
The last thing this Rah Rah station is is a news channel. It is unbalanced infotainment aimed at the braindead whilst masquerading as news.

...or, could it just be a reflection of your (and quite a few others') inability to distinguish between the hour-long OpEd shows which overrun Fox's primetime (which MSN is also highly "guilty" of) and the news presentation that the channel provides for the overwhelming majority of the day?

Not to be insulting, just throwin' it out there.


User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
Not to be insulting, just throwin' it out there

Not insulted at all. The problem is that the "news" and I use that term advisedly, is buried in all of the op ed that comes out of Fox. The end result being that the op ed is sold as news to the watching public.

To be honest if I wasnt to watch people screem at each other, I will go to a local workingmens bar around 10PM, not sit watching a cartoon channel (With over made up cartoon people).

Its whole design is one of attracting an audience with the attention span of a gnat and then telling them that all they need to know is available on that station. As someone who reads online news from Asia, North America, the UK Australia the Middle East and New Zealand (Yes I do some work sometimes) I can safely say that Fox is well off the mark as far providing "all the news you need".

If you want a good comparison between Fox News and Al Jazeera, just open up both of thier webpages. Al Jazeera leads with Issues such as Bushes veto on stem cell research, the Palastinian President ruling out talks with Hamas and what role Tony Blair will have now he is no longer going to be Prime Minister of England.

Over on Fox, while the Bush verto is covered, bigger prominance is given to stories about Hilary Clinton spoofing the Sopranos, Bob Barker's opinion about whther Rosie O'Donell is right to take over a game show and Paris Hilton's neighbours being concerned about press packs outside their homes. What is more important here folks?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 4):
the "news" and I use that term advisedly, is buried in all of the op ed that comes out of Fox.

It's also in great company:
As stated, MSN is just as guilty at overrunning its primetime with OpEds; and the once-respectable CNN Headline now includes a celebrity gossip hour for cryin' out loud. So again, why isolate Fox?

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 4):
The end result being that the op ed is sold as news to the watching public.

Define "sold as"?
I'm also curious as to how much of this you're gleaning 2ndhand, as anyone who'd ever spent any time watching their OpEds would be well acquainted with the fact that (with the notable exceptions of Hume and van Susteren) most of the shows go out of the way to emphasize that they're a factor of the host's impression of issues as he sees it.

Heck, "the truth as I understand it" was Hannity's tagline 1998-2004.

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 4):
and then telling them that all they need to know is available on that station. A

Only a fool would choose a single source of news and consider themselves informed, Fox or otherwise.


User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

In my place I receive BBC World, CNN, Fox and Al Jazeera in English. I think that the best two of those are BBC and Al Jazeera. CNN used to be very good but their quality has dropped considerably. Fox... well, I won't even comment on them. BBC and Al Jazeera give full news coverage and it is interesting to compare both in terms of angles and viewpoints.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Simply put"The other side of the story".
 Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

I have seen the TV-broadcasts in Arabic and in English a few times, but look up in the internet-news fairly often. They are competent and open-minded and quite balanced and objective in their reporting. Very swift at times, but sometimes a bit slow.
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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Simply put"The other side of the story".

well-said, But news is getting boring now, tired of listening to whats happening to the Paris Hilton or the other celebrities, or hearing about the latest deaths in Iraq, its same boring news, and some of the crap they put out there isnt even newsworthy, for example last couple of months the news was concentrating on an alligator in a city lake... go figure.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 9):
But news is getting boring now

Try listening to the News Tv channels out here,discussing weird issues from Spooks to quarelling Neighbours.Only good Print media is "The Times of India".
The rest are Junk.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
"The Times of India".

Ive read that one, i think thats what my family suscribes to over there, is that the number one readership in India?



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 9):
news is getting boring now

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to defend the news-people right here, a look-back. In the 1950ies and 60ies, you had a news bulletin at 6 am which was repeated at 7 am and 8 am; you had another news bulletin at 12.30, supplemented by some correspondents (radio, not TV) a bit later on on the radio, and then another "late" bulletin at around 8pm . NOW, those news-producers are expected to come out each hour.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization. Here's proof.....

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

Bullshit.


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization

Not really. We get it here in Portugal on cable for free, and it's actually pretty interesting. It does a huge service in the Arab world by offering a choice to viewers who could previously only watch hugely censored or biased government approved news. The Algerian government shut down power to half of Algiers once just to prevent a program being seen there.

100 million households is completely feasable as it can be viewed worldwide, not just in the Mid East.



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlinePlateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Josh Rushing, star of Control Room and an Al-Jarezza reporter spoke to my class at college. I wrote a long article about the channel and misconceptions related to it for the school newspaper. That should give a little more background on it. I am re-posing it below for your reference/enjoyment. 'Any comments are welcome. Since it was journalism, I obviously do not provide my opinion on the subject. But I learned how many misconceptions I had while researching it.
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Title: Al-Jazeera journalist urges students to view other media
Run Date: 2/1/07
Reporter: Brian _________

More people across the world trust Al-Jazeera than Western press, said Josh Rushing, star of the documentary "Control Room" and a correspondent for Al-Jazeera English, during a speech in Mary Graydon Center Tuesday.

"It's critical to understand that there are different perspectives about how the world works," said Bill Gentile, a professor in the School of Communication, whose class hosted Rushing. "[People] have to understand that there is more then just the American way of seeing the world."

Gentile said it is critical to understand that "the world is not CNN and most certainly is not FOX News."

As a result of these networks and "part of this administration's narrow vision of the world, an increasing part of the world rejects the American vision of the world, [and] this is very, very dangerous," Gentile said.

Rushing, a former marine lieutenant, was made famous in "Control Room," a film produced by AU graduate students that won the CDS Filmmaker Award at the Sundance Film Festival in 2004.

Rushing served as a spokesperson at Central Command in Doha, Qatar, during Operation Iraqi Freedom and was not expecting to be a star of the documentary film, he said. The producers, unknown to him, cast him in a starring role, expanding a 15-minute conversation to the entire length of the film.

Due to his role working with Al-Jazeera in Qatar as their military spokesperson, Rushing was offered a job for their start-up English network, based in Washington, D.C.

Both Rushing and Gentile said many people have an incorrect view of Al-Jazeera.

They also explained the difference between Al-Jazeera.com and Al-Jazeera.net. According to both, the two Web sites are separate news sources. Al-Jazeera.net is the news organization, while Al-Jazeera.com is not. Al-Jazeera, a Qatar-based network, is named after the Arabic word for peninsula.

"Everybody thinks - even some faculty - that Al-Jazerra is where you go to see people getting their head chopped off," Gentile said. "But that's just not true."

Students said they enjoyed Rushing's speech.

"I found it very intriguing to listen to a person whose views changed so much over a short period of time," said Summer Simpson, a second-year graduate student in the master's of arts in film and video program, in an e-mail. "I think Mr. Rushing represents a role model American citizen, one who is informed and stands up for his views, but can be diplomatic about his views."

Rushing explained how Al-Jazeera is an international media station that has headquarters in Washington, London, Qatar and Kuala Lumpur.

Joseph Alfred, a sophomore in the School of Public Affairs, said the speech changed his view of Al-Jazeera.

"It changed my perspective because I thought it took only an Arab viewpoint, instead of a plurality of viewpoints," he said.

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p.s. Mods-I own the righs to it and that is why I can republish it with no problems. Thank you.

-Brian

[Edited 2007-06-21 14:56:19]


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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting Plateman (Reply 15):

well quoted, hehe, before we all start saying "violent media supporting jihadist activities", might wanna learn about it a bit, everyone has to realize that its an alternative news source, something with "worthwhile" news, with women anchors on TV, yes (surprising) and professional as any news media outlet. The news is supposed to do one thing and that is to report what they see, Al jazeera takes you indepth to places that most western news organizations dont go and simply cant access, thus bringing to us a new perspective. You watch the news and then make up your own mind, i do think the news is there to tell us okay this is what is happening, and thats the only side of the story. I personally dont have Al Jazeera, infact ive given up on all news, Im sick and tired of what i see everyday, i just read a couple of links on the Internet, because practically everything that is occurring globally are the same problems everytime, and im tired of listening to whats happening to Paris Hilton, infact its become so bad that Mongolian American newspapers have started reporting about her.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 16):
Al jazeera takes you indepth to places that most western news organizations dont go and simply cant access, thus bringing to us a new perspective.

I "don't go and can't access" a sewage treatment plant either, but I don't need that perspective to know what goes on there.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 17):
I "don't go and can't access" a sewage treatment plant either, but I don't need that perspective to know what goes on there.

true, quite true, but there are those who want that, as i said im tired of the news, its a bunch of worthless crap which i have no use for anymore, its not informative anymore.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
Ive read that one, i think thats what my family suscribes to over there, is that the number one readership in India

It is.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
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It started here recently and I haven't really watched it, but from what I have seen they are trying to be BBCish. Looks like they have poached some people from other networks too, I saw Riz Kahn the other day. If I watch any news channel at all it is Sky.


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization. Here's proof.....

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WHAT "proof" ??? elJazeera is secularist in outlook and NOT what you call "Jihadist"
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Quoting Andz (Reply 20):
from what I have seen they are trying to be BBCish

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the reason for that simply is that many of them ARE former BBC- people, and of course, that elJazeera is modelled along BBC lines


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 20):
saw Riz Kahn the other day

he's a great journalist, he's like the Martin Bashir of ABC network, two similar Pakistanis.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Bullshit

...what evidence do you have to the contrary?


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 23):
...what evidence do you have to the contrary?

I wasn't the one who made the original assertion of 100,000,000 households. What evidence do they have to support that claim? Let's see the latest Nielsen (or whatever might be a reputable third-party source) ratings for all English-speaking countries where AJ is available. Until they can show that, I call it bullshit.


25 GoAround : It's not about ratings. It's about availability. And some people's opinions frighten me. Open your minds.
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...so in other words, you have none. Figured as much.
27 GoAround : ...you look at how many providers you're available on. Then you add up how many subscribers these providers have. And then you have your availability.
28 Post contains links Nosedive : 80 Million "unconfirmed" households, and an interesting overview of BBC World, France 24, and Al Jazeera. Of course, target audience and who's actual
29 WorkFlyer : I isolated Fox in my post as you had asked for a comparison between Al Jazeera and Fox (in your OP). If you want my opinions on CNN, Skynews, CCTV (E
30 TheCol : I can't comment on the English version, because I don't receive it where I live. However, I've seen the Arabic version of Al Jazeera in Palestine. Eve
31 ME AVN FAN : - I have seen it on both my last visit to Beirut and the last visit to Tunis, and I did NOT see any "bias against the West", I did rather see a pro-W
32 Post contains images Falcon84 : Here's what they are:
33 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Isn't "Stanley" a top-quality product ?
34 PlateMan : When Rushing spoke to my class he talked about this. Al-Jazzera English is only broadcast in the US in some really town in Maine and the Pentagon
35 Rlwynn : As an expat living in Germany I can say that it is the best source of news I can find on TV. It is far more intersting and in depth than CNN, Sky or t
36 Queso : Interesting numbers, thanks for digging those up. May be it's just the way it was worded.... ....seems very misleading to me, it's as if each of thos
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...BBC and Al Jazeera are two new sources I use the most as "general" news....but I use other news sources to to get "various views"....... .... ....
38 ConcordeBoy : Indeed. Something I should've included in the OP, is: How many of you opining here have actually watched an Al Jazeera broadcast, and not through a t
39 GSM763 : Personally I enjoy Al-Jazeera and use it as one of my news sources (along with the BBC, France 24 and others). If you're used to BBC World the outlook
40 Beaucaire : The English service of Al-Jazeera is a must for all those who are interested in Middle East news and politics. I rate them equally with BBC but far be
41 1stfl94 : A few facts for you guys 1) Al Jazeera is the only news outlet in the Middle East that is relatively free from government intereference, although the
42 Post contains images Charlienorth : MEL..when did you move to The States??
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