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Fairness In US Talk Radio?  
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

A report was released by the "Center For American Progress and Free Press" that detailed the break down of talk radio in America.

What the report found was that radio was vastly dominated by conservative talk shows:

Quote:

-- In the spring of 2007, of the 257 news/talk stations owned by the top five commercial station owners, 91 percent of the total weekday talk radio programming was conservative, and only 9 percent was progressive.

-- Each weekday, 2,570 hours and 15 minutes of conservative talk are broadcast on these stations compared to 254 hours of progressive talk --- 10 times as much conservative talk as progressive talk.

-- 76 percent of the news/talk programming in the top 10 radio markets is conservative, while 24 percent is progressive.

But really, did any of us really need a report to tell us this? Conservatives listen to radio talk shows, no big surprise there. I'm sure if you broke down NPR's listener base, the majority would be liberal.

But the real surprise in the report was their proposed solution to this perceived imbalance:

Quote:

-Restore local and national caps on the ownership of commercial radio stations.

-Ensure greater local accountability over radio licensing.

-Require commercial owners who fail to abide by enforceable public interest obligations to pay a fee.

They reject that this is a result of the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. They argue that the FD was actually not repealed, but instead, the FCC decided to no longer enforce certain aspects. Thus, the government still has the authority to begin enforcing the doctrine, at their will.


They also reject the argument that this is a result of market demand:

Quote:
This argument is misleading on numerous fronts. Although talk radio audiences tend to be more male, middle-aged, and conservative, research by Pew indicates that this audience is not monolithic--- 43 percent of regular talk radio listeners identify as conservative, while 23 percent identify as liberal and 30 percent as moderate. 16 The ideological breakdown of the country as a whole during this same period was very similar---36 percent conservative,
21 percent liberal, and 35 percent moderate. It is difficult to argue that the existing audience for talk radio is only interested in hearing one side of public debates given the diversity of the existing and potential audience.

However, this is where I take issue with their findings.

This has EVERYTHING to do with market demand! You can't throw out this argument "Oh well the country isn't a majority conservative, so the breakdown of listeners shouldn't be a majority of conservatives." Because the truth is, radio is still a business, and what's popular, is what sells and gets on the air. The Pew Institute did a study of the break down of listeners to Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Air America.

-20% of Rush Limbaugh listeners identified themselves as liberal. 30% of O'Rielly listeners identified themselves as liberal. And 85% of Air America listeners identified themselves as liberal.

The same institute found that 35% of NBC's "West Wing" watchers were Republicans.

People watch and listen to these programs because they WANT too. Regardless of their political affiliation. For whatever reason they're entertained by these radio personalities. Liberal shows - for example Air America - have had their shot. They simply DON'T SELL.

Who are we to dictate to companies how they should organize their programs? Radio is a venue that conservatives turn too. So what? If a radio show catering to liberal outlooks is put on the air - they have an equal opportunity to succeed. All they need to do is attract listeners, and hold on to them.

We need to remember, it's OPPORTUNITY to succeed in life that is guaranteed. Success, itself, is not.

-UH60

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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Sorry, I got to add the link.

Here it is:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/06/pdf/talk_radio.pdf


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8230 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

CFAP & FP is out to lunch on this one. They've gone to all this trouble to refute Pew data and other miscellany academically but they've forgotten the one fact that's most difficult to ignore: conservative talk is listened to by a boatload of liberals, for both entertainment and awareness purposes.

It is difficult to argue that the existing audience for talk radio is only interested in hearing one side of public debates given the diversity of the existing and potential audience.

As UH60 says, what the existing audience should be interested in hearing is irrelevant in the face of what they're actually doing. Market behavior is the only thing that matters and 'fair' is a misnomer in all forms of media regardless.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Expect N1102A to give you his opinion (which of course in his opinion should be your opinion.)

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Who are we to dictate to companies how they should organize their programs?

The same group of people who are considering "windfall taxes" on profits from the oil industry that are in line with normal operating profits.  sarcastic 

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
People watch and listen to these programs because they WANT too.

In most case yes but there is that decent sized group that listens just to be outraged and offended and hope they happen across some nugget or remark in a brainfreeze like Imus so they can get dissenting opinion off the air.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Liberal shows - for example Air America - have had their shot. They simply DON'T SELL.

But don't you see we just can't have that. Air America must be on the air to counter the horrible lies of the right wing who hate black folks and immigrants.  Wink (I'm kidding for those of you have no sense of sarcasm.)

Makes me think of Mother Russia...we'll pretend to broadcast meaningfull material and you'll pretend to listen. Eventually it will collapse on itself.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
We need to remember, it's OPPORTUNITY to succeed in life that is guaranteed. Success, itself, is not.

Now don't go throwing logic into the mix.  Wink



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

I have a theory about why conservatism rules radio and liberalism rules TV. Please feel free to shoot holes in this theory if you want - hell, I just thought of it.

The core values of conservatism is reason. People reap what they sow. You are responsible for your own actions. Government is enherantly inefficient, therefore the government role in society should be restricted, in accordance to Adam Smith. Etc. etc. These are rational arguments defendable by reason, though emotionally they may seem sometimes heartless.

The core values of the left are more emotional. Compassion, fairness, redistribution of income, peace and love, etc. all have their roots in emotional arguments. They cannot be easily defended by reason - their attraction is based on sympathy and the desire to help others - emotionally driven.

TV can convey a lot of emotion. You have pictures, and the brain processes these pictures into emotional feedback - you see pictures of starving babies in Somalia or explosions in Baghdad, that will ellicit more of an emotional impact than if you just heard about it.

Talk radio has no pictures. It depends purely on the spoken word, and for 2 or 3 hours (the duration of a typical talk show), the host must be able to tell his story, mostly unscripted. If his arguments are not rational and logical, the listener will quickly understand that it's nonsense, and turn away. In talk radio, they spend far, far more time than on TV explaining the basis for their beliefs - their rational core. And as Air America proved once again, you cannot successfully convey emotional arguments for hours on end without the aid of pictures to tug at the heartstrings.

I'd be interested to know if there is a survey of how many hours per day people who describe themselves as liberal spend watching TV versus conservatives. I expect conservatives watch less TV because they are less attracted to its emotional contents. They want the facts. Liberals might be more interested in 'the experience'.

Anyway, those are just a few thoughts off the top of my head.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21804 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):

If Conservatives are guided by reason, they're not showing it on talk radio. Limbaugh and Hannity are not two people who spring to mind when I think of the word "reason".

-Mir



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
"Center For American Progress and Free Press"

Boy there is a 'code-name' if I ever read one.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
254 hours of progressive talk ---

Lesson here kids, if you start reading "progressive" you should start figuring that you are dealing with an uber-liberal that wishes to conceal that fact.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
This has EVERYTHING to do with market demand!

And it should, despite what the nearly bankrupt "Air America" claims.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Because the truth is, radio is still a business, and what's popular, is what sells and gets on the air.

Which is why "Air America" has never been a profit generator.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 2):
It is difficult to argue that the existing audience for talk radio is only interested in hearing one side of public debates given the diversity of the existing and potential audience.

I think that is disproven by the following numbers.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
20% of Rush Limbaugh listeners identified themselves as liberal. 30% of O'Rielly listeners identified themselves as liberal. And 85% of Air America listeners identified themselves as liberal.

The same institute found that 35% of NBC's "West Wing" watchers were Republicans.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11768 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

As a moderate, I listen to Limbaugh then switch over to Randi Rhodes and compare notes. I look at voting records of congresspeople and sometimes listen to the debates on C-SPAN. I can tell you both Limbaugh and Rhodes put their own spin on things. However, Rhodes does give credit where credit is due and lets out verbal lashes when necessary more so than Limbaugh.

I also think, since conservatives were on the airwaves first and in the smaller markets first, they are the ones most listened to. There are a lot of people out there in all that space: Alliance, Nebraska; Chico, California; Page, Arizona; Utica, New York and on and on and on..... Conservative talk show hosts got their message out there first and made themselves and the party they represent sound like they care. They have managed to keep that momentum going. That is my opinion on the study.

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8230 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 2):
It is difficult to argue that the existing audience for talk radio is only interested in hearing one side of public debates given the diversity of the existing and potential audience.

I think that is disproven by the following numbers.

That wasn't my quote - I was actually disagreeing with that statement UH60 quoted from the report in the original post.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
This has EVERYTHING to do with market demand!

And it should, despite what the nearly bankrupt "Air America" claims.

Wrong.



Radio isn't what it used to be. 97% Stations are no longer independent of one another. They are owned in massive amount of broadcast groups, such as Clear Channel, Fox News Radio, etc.

The reason these shows are "so popular" is because these are the only shows that are given the most opportunity for air play, air time, and promotional consideration. Left winging programs won't be on the air on these stations. Instead they have to go on smaller stations with smaller towers, small frequencies, etc. etc. Hence the lesser listening audience.

Most of the outlets that own radio stations are conservative-agenda-minded. Most newspaper organizations are not.

It is as simple as that.

But in the end, there is only one true dominance power that has stayed tried and trueover the years in radio, and that is easy listening/soft rock. #1 in over 90% of the markets for over 15 years.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
This has EVERYTHING to do with market demand! You can't throw out this argument "Oh well the country isn't a majority conservative, so the breakdown of listeners shouldn't be a majority of conservatives." Because the truth is, radio is still a business, and what's popular, is what sells and gets on the air. The Pew Institute did a study of the break down of listeners to Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Air America.

-20% of Rush Limbaugh listeners identified themselves as liberal. 30% of O'Rielly listeners identified themselves as liberal. And 85% of Air America listeners identified themselves as liberal.

The same institute found that 35% of NBC's "West Wing" watchers were Republicans.

People watch and listen to these programs because they WANT too. Regardless of their political affiliation. For whatever reason they're entertained by these radio personalities. Liberal shows - for example Air America - have had their shot. They simply DON'T SELL.

Who are we to dictate to companies how they should organize their programs? Radio is a venue that conservatives turn too. So what? If a radio show catering to liberal outlooks is put on the air - they have an equal opportunity to succeed. All they need to do is attract listeners, and hold on to them.

We need to remember, it's OPPORTUNITY to succeed in life that is guaranteed. Success, itself, is not.

-UH60

Or, as I constantly remind my children, "life isn't fair."

Out in San Francisco, where the population is fairly liberal, (OK, very liberal  Smile ) liberally-focused talk radio does just fine. KPFA in Berkeley is as about as left as you can get, and KGO has always had several liberal or liberal-leaning talk hosts.

I tried listening to Air America. I really did. And it really sucked.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
Expect N1102A to give you his opinion (which of course in his opinion should be your opinion.)

 rotfl  What's even better is when he gives you his opinion based on his erroneous legal conclusions.  biggrin 


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

I don't listen to any political talk on radio, because nobody is "in the middle". Everyone who opens their yap on radio is either a right-wing nutjob or pseudo-commie who has an extremist agenda to push. I don't subscribe to either theory.

Plus, I don't want to be angered listening to the radio in my car. I'd rather listen to something entertaining or to music. Luckily I have Sirius so I have a bunch of choices.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
If Conservatives are guided by reason, they're not showing it on talk radio. Limbaugh and Hannity are not two people who spring to mind when I think of the word "reason".

I've never listened to Hannity on the radio, but on TV he has not impressed me as a good debater. Too knee-jerk, and too quick to anger, although when he keeps his cool he can come up with formidable arguments.

Rush is better. His political and social philosophy is clear as day - he is a 100% conservative. He does not spend as much time as I would like rationally defending his viewpoint, even though he could - he seems to prefer spending his time exposing the logical failures of American liberalism. I think he assumes too easily that his logical basis is so evident that he doesn't need to explain it - I disagree. Logical thinking is not something that the average Joe Public is good at.

And if you think that Rush sounds unreasonable, I don't think you've been listenning to his show. I've turned several people I know onto him, who have been lifelong democrats, and after a few months of listening to Rush have radically changed their politics. They now listen to politicians and the media with a healthy scepticism, whereas before they would simply regurgitate whatever they heard.

O'Reilly probably spends the most time on his radio show trying to explain why he thinks the way he does. I often don't agree with his rationale, but kudos to him for at least trying. What bugs me the most about him is his condescending tone, which I find extremely annoying.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
This has EVERYTHING to do with market demand! You can't throw out this argument "Oh well the country isn't a majority conservative, so the breakdown of listeners shouldn't be a majority of conservatives." Because the truth is, radio is still a business, and what's popular, is what sells and gets on the air.

I haven't heard one liberal talk show host who understands that building listenership is about entertainment more than politics. You'd think that some of the failed attempts from the entertainment industry would understand this but obviously they don't

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
If Conservatives are guided by reason, they're not showing it on talk radio. Limbaugh and Hannity are not two people who spring to mind when I think of the word "reason".

Ever listen to Mike Malloy. Everything's relative I guess. For years, his show was often the only thing you could pick up near the state line on I-20 between BHM and ATL if you couldn't stand Country or shove it down your throat religion. The guy is an absolute nut job.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
Radio isn't what it used to be. 97% Stations are no longer independent of one another. They are owned in massive amount of broadcast groups, such as Clear Channel, Fox News Radio, etc.

... Westwood One which is now involved with Air America to some extent. The truth is that Talk Radio is primarily an AM entity and it's not that tough to get hold of an AM station. We've easily had 100s of stations on AM(and FM for that matter), switch formats to Latino over the past 5 years. Yes, there are several large companies involved with many of these but they've grown it tremendously because it's entertaining and they worked to build an audience. TANSTAAFL! as always.

Rush started on one station in CA and Hannity on one station in AL. They had to work their way to where they are now. Why should Air America have it handed to them?

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 11):
I don't listen to any political talk on radio, because nobody is "in the middle".

There's actually quite a few middle/moderate types in local talk radio around the country. One of the things that really pisses me off about this survey is its intellectual dishonesty in assuming that all talk radio that isn't "Progressive", must therefore be "Conservative". Never mind that there is a significant amount of libertarian talk show hosts doing very well out there, i.e Boortz and my local favorite Matt Murphy.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21804 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
Ever listen to Mike Malloy.

Can't say I have. Talk radio (with the exception of sports talk) generally gets on my nerves after about five minutes, so I rarely listen to it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
Can't say I have. Talk radio (with the exception of sports talk) generally gets on my nerves after about five minutes, so I rarely listen to it.

You might last 30 seconds with him. Maybe a minute if he's distracted by adjusting the tinfoil hat and not talking as much.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Restore local and national caps on the ownership of commercial radio stations.

I agree. Used to be you could own 3, two am's and an fm or the other way around. Now you can own up to 49% of the market place. When that rule went into effect in 1996 a lot of people in mass media lost their jobs, both on air and off.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Ensure greater local accountability over radio licensing.

You still can file a grievance at license renewal time. That never changed.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Require commercial owners who fail to abide by enforceable public interest obligations to pay a fee.

The FCC still can fine a station for not keeping proper records. What changed with the fairness doctrine was that silly rule that you had to keep track of every PSA you ran as well as the topic and nature of every program that ran.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
Radio isn't what it used to be. 97% Stations are no longer independent of one another. They are owned in massive amount of broadcast groups, such as Clear Channel, Fox News Radio, etc.

97% seems a little high. There are roughly 10,000 radio stations in the U.S. and I don't think that even includes the 80-90 drop ins. In actuality some of the larger corps, like CC for instance, have been quietly selling off some of the smaller stations that are basically satellites to any top 100 market. There are very few mom and pop stations left but a lot of the smaller market stations are owned by a local broadcast company.

If the democrats in Washington think they can silence Rush, Hannity, and the rest by reinstituting the fairness doctrine, all they will suceed in doing is sticking a fork in AM radio stations across the country because the hosts that count will just vacate to satellite radio and the internet. Democrats just don't seem to learn from the past. Remember when they were going to teach those filthy rich people that they needed to pay their fair share back in the middle 80's and slapped a huge luxury tax on yachts and such? By the middle 90's all they had suceeded in doing was reducing the yacht building industry here in the U.S to next to nothing.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 16):
If the democrats in Washington think they can silence Rush, Hannity, and the rest by reinstituting the fairness doctrine, all they will suceed in doing is sticking a fork in AM radio stations across the country because the hosts that count will just vacate to satellite radio and the internet.

I think that is the whole idea. Liberals have tried to compete on a level playing field, and failed. Rather than concede talk radio to conservatives, they now want to destroy the medium with the fairness doctrine, which would make shows like Rush unworkable in a practical sense. Internet and Satellite radio don't have nearly the listenership that AM does - just ask Howard Stern.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
This has EVERYTHING to do with market demand!

 checkmark 

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
People watch and listen to these programs because they WANT too.

 checkmark 

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
Expect N1102A to give you his opinion (which of course in his opinion should be your opinion.)

 rotfl 

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
TV can convey a lot of emotion. You have pictures, and the brain processes these pictures into emotional feedback - you see pictures of starving babies in Somalia or explosions in Baghdad, that will ellicit more of an emotional impact than if you just heard about it.

Talk radio has no pictures. It depends purely on the spoken word, and for 2 or 3 hours (the duration of a typical talk show), the host must be able to tell his story, mostly unscripted. If his arguments are not rational and logical, the listener will quickly understand that it's nonsense, and turn away. In talk radio, they spend far, far more time than on TV explaining the basis for their beliefs - their rational core. And as Air America proved once again, you cannot successfully convey emotional arguments for hours on end without the aid of pictures to tug at the heartstrings.

Excellent post.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
Left winging programs won't be on the air on these stations. Instead they have to go on smaller stations with smaller towers, small frequencies, etc. etc.

Not entirely true. In Indy, one of the (few) major stations switched from an afternoon/evening/midnight format of Hannity/Savage/Ingraham/Dolye to one of Dennis Miller/Glenn Beck/Mike McConnell/Alan Colmes - not a whole lot of difference until the late night (except Miller is probably considered moderate). I almost never listen to it anymore (except they have O'Reilly still).

-R


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Internet and Satellite radio don't have nearly the listenership that AM does - just ask Howard Stern.

If Rush and the others switch over there will be a huge spike in sales on the satellite radio system that signs them.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 18):
Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
Left winging programs won't be on the air on these stations. Instead they have to go on smaller stations with smaller towers, small frequencies, etc. etc.

A station at 540 on the am dial can put out 500 watts at night and if the station doesn't switch to its assigned pattern, it will broadcast to half the country. The tower won't have to be much more than 300ft high either. It's not necessarily about power and height. If left leaning programs sold they would be on the air at the big clear channel, and I don't mean the company, am stations. 1420 am in Cleveland is a pretty low power am station yet for a number of years Gary Dee was number one in the morning and a lot of people in the market couldn't even hear him till the sun came up in the winter time. It was about what he was doing, not about the station he was on.


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Internet and Satellite radio don't have nearly the listenership that AM does - just ask Howard Stern.

Yeah, but doesn't he claim that everyone that has Sirius listens to him?



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User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):

Ever listen to Mike Malloy. Everything's relative I guess. For years, his show was often the only thing you could pick up near the state line on I-20 between BHM and ATL if you couldn't stand Country or shove it down your throat religion. The guy is an absolute nut job

Oh yea Mike Malloy...Mr. I'm afraid of the flying monkey right,he used to be on WLS,nobody was too broken up when he was fired...the liberal talk show host I liked listening to was Jay Marvin and the main reason was that he was also entertaining,even if you didn't agree with him he kept an interesting dialogue going,he also discussed subjects other than politics,music,movies,sports..unfortunately his contract was not renewed and he is at a radio station out of Boulder Co,can't remember the callsign though.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 16):
97% seems a little high. There are roughly 10,000 radio stations in the U.S

Clear Channel outright owns over 1,100 radio stations in the U.S. They used to own over 2,000, but sold off of some of the stations -- however they have maintained broadcast management and programming air rights for some 3,000 radio stations in the U.S. ... meaning they control/have very very very very strong influence over what goes on the air.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
Rush started on one station in CA and Hannity on one station in AL. They had to work their way to where they are now. Why should Air America have it handed to them?

Air America isn't in the business to ruthlessly take over any station they can buy and dominate and control it's programming.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
I expect conservatives watch less TV because they are less attracted to its emotional contents. They want the facts. Liberals might be more interested in 'the experience'.

Not applicable for a comparison. Radio has sound just as much as tv has sound. Radio also has room for more commentary. You can't make personal commentary against pictures that are displaying the story.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 18):
In Indy, one of the (few) major stations switched from an afternoon/evening/midnight format of Hannity/Savage/Ingraham/Dolye to one of Dennis Miller/Glenn Beck/Mike McConnell/Alan Colmes - not a whole lot of difference

Okay...you're comparing the color red to the color red. And...?



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 20):
Yeah, but doesn't he claim that everyone that has Sirius listens to him?

That's a crock. Sirius now has 6 or 7 million subscribers. Mostly they listen in the car on the way to and from work, and do we really expect that they all only listen to Howard and none of the 100 other channels? In that case, why are they there?

Rush has 13 or 14 million listeners every day, but everyone in the country has an AM radio.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):

The core values of the left are more emotional.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):

The core values of conservatism is reason.

Personally, I've heard both on both.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
You have pictures,

Both sides have pictures. Few on either side have answers. You're just pulling party line.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 16):
There are very few mom and pop stations left but a lot of the smaller market stations are owned by a local broadcast company.

Who owns whatDamn shame it's not by city or by marketshare. Plus, it's 4 yrs old, but you get the idea.


25 DeltaGator : And if liberal talk radio made the ratings it would be on the air at the direction of Clear Channel. Bottom line, it has been given its chance and it
26 Cfalk : Air America isn't in the business of doing ANYTHING, anymore. They were losing stations left and right, to the point of Air America was actually payi
27 Post contains links Nosedive : "About Us" Heh, that "What is a Progressive" diagram shows all what is wrong with American politics, implied partisanship.
28 STLGph : Again, Air America wasn't in the business to go out and take over the world of radio. It's like trying to compare your local airport remote parking s
29 Cfalk : There is a perfect example of the irrationality of "Progressives", leftists, liberals, whatever you want to call it. On the one hand, "we believe tha
30 Nosedive : Hey, there's a picture right there: an over painted picture of who wants to kill you.
31 RJdxer : Yes, and how many of them are talk radio stations which seems to be the democrats big bugaboo. They, and the other big conglomerates have proved one
32 Post contains links Allstarflyer : And there's different shades of red . . . and your point is? Cfalk's remarks were spot on. Even though pictures help to tell the story, they also fur
33 STLGph : No, they weren't. But I thought you said you wanted pictures, didn't you? You can't really lie with photos to emotions. You can most definitely sway
34 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Spoken as one with absolute authority on the matter. Care to elaborate why for those of us supposedly uninformed? Relax. Breathe.Now, what about the
35 STLGph : Have you worked in tv, newspapers, or radio? I'm am relaxed. I just don't get how the obvious is something so hard to miss. TV is just as much about
36 DeltaGator : Back up your opinion Gavin instead of just the equivalent of a "nanny nanny boo boo" and that is piss poor coming from someone who apparently has eno
37 Falstaff : Right Wing Talks shows on AM radio are on because they sell add space. It is as simple as that. People listen. Who listens. What is the average age of
38 STLGph : Sorry. I'm in the biz. He's not. You're not. He's wrong. I don't tell you how to how to load Miss Pac Man on the office computers now do I? No one st
39 DeltaGator : What a pathetic response. I'm in the business, you're not, you're wrong, and I won't give any examples of why I think that. So much for responsible j
40 Falstaff : You said it yourself. That may have not been their plan, but if Air America would have become large and very popular I would bet they would would con
41 Post contains images Allstarflyer : No, and here's another telling thing about you - you do work in TV, so you should be the one informing us. Here's a glimpse how . . . You never told
42 Superfly : Air America didn't do well because liberal felt like the station was just saying stuff we already knew. Liberals don't need to be consistently spoon-f
43 Falstaff : I did. It wasn't much. I was the manager of a public access station in college for two years. It barely was TV, but it was still TV.
44 Post contains images DeltaGator : Did you get to the Last Comic Standing tryouts down in LA because that was funny as hell! I'm not saying that conservative radio is opposite of what
45 Superfly : I have to disagree. I know of several Republicans that watch the show and prefer them as there source for news. They have plenty of conservative and
46 DeltaGator : That wasn't bias...that was common sense. McKinney is at best a buffon and deserved every bit of criticism she got for her idiotic ways.
47 UH60FtRucker : Well jeez Superfly... I'd hope this would be a thread about the fairness doctrine/forcing through legislation that companies give more airtime to lib
48 STLGph : And I'm sure you tell pilots how to fly their planes, right? And you don't get programming. Tis ok, we understand. Well, at least I understand. Oh ye
49 Superfly : Ideology and race are two different things. You know better than that. I wasn't forcing anything down anyone's throat either. I just gave my perspect
50 Falstaff : He is not nearly as fat as he used to be. Back when Howard Stern came out with "Private Parts" and it has a "nude" Stern on the Cover. Mad Magazine h
51 DL021 : For starters I think that most radio talkshow hosts need lessons in listening...I also feel like most callers need classes in making their points with
52 DeltaGator : No I dont' do that at all. And I wasn't telling you how to do your job either. I was expressing my opinion about what I perceive to be shoddy debatin
53 STLGph : Except I'm telling you what's up. There's no debate about it.
54 Cfalk : LOL, that is very revealing! So you say that lot of flashy effects and graphics makes TV more compelling. I say it's mesmerizing. A lot of flashy tri
55 DeltaGator : You haven't told me anything except the following... 1. You refuse to answer direct questions but would rather try to change the topic by comparing a
56 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Way to go, you just showed the vast depth of your reasoning skills, somewhere akin to being from the bottom of your feet to the top of the floor. By
57 STLGph : There's no questions to answer. Again, I'm telling you what is up. While you're at it, please go tell a concrete wall it's not made out of concrete.
58 DeltaGator : You were asked direct questions and you still haven't answered. As for you telling me what's up you've done no such thing. You've expressed an opinio
59 Post contains images Halls120 : So why were they in business, and why have they failed? So why were they in business, and why did they fail? Well, I'm trying to get him to answer, b
60 UH60FtRucker : Yes, Gavin, WE KNOW. You work in television. But I wonder how different the radio broadcast world is from yours. Hell, I talk about the US military a
61 RJdxer : Which is why those stations are at the bottom of the dial. You know, the place where there are no arbitron ratings that count, and where you get a bi
62 Superfly : I haven't seen a vertical analog tuner in ages. Horizontal I've seen more recently and what I use. Halls120: The shows I listen to are Talk Of The Na
63 Post contains images Falstaff : You said it!
64 GuitrThree : Yes, the Fairness Doctrine does limit speech. Anytime the Government says "you can say what you want for 12 hours a day, the other 12 the opposite si
65 L-188 : AIr America pretty much destroyed that arguement. They had a whole number of stations dedicated to giving the uber-left air time and it has flopped,
66 BHMBAGLOCK : What on earth does your response have to do with my statement. [Mr. Hand] Are you high? [/Mr. Hand] You do realize that many of these "right-wing"ers
67 Post contains images Superfly : LOL! Yes, you are correct. Come to think of it, the AMC Ambassador (last year 1974) was the last to have a vertical tuner. Back on topic. So are the
68 MDorBust : Wait wait wait WAIT!!! Weren't Clear Channel stations carrying Air America? I remember reading some where that a full third of the Air America station
69 STLGph : Seriously, whatever you like to believe, man, whatever you like to believe. If I can't get on as that airline dispatcher, I'll just come work for you
70 MDorBust : Gavin, that wasn't Clear Channel. That was Cumulus and Cox.
71 Halls120 : Well, we are making progress. At least you answered one of the questions. So evil CC and other right wing media conglomerates kept Air America from g
72 RJdxer : 88.8 to 91.9 is the bottom of the dial and where non profit stations lurk. Not so since the licensee does not own the license with which he is allowe
73 Cfalk : So radio stations have no right to free speech? That's a new one to me... Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the pre
74 Post contains images Allstarflyer : It's wrong to pick on the feeble-minded, but STLGph (the St. Louis gopher?) is asking for some fun. First the callouts . . . Good stuff, reading them
75 Post contains images TPAnx : OK..my : Broadcasting is a BUSINESS! The bottom line IS the bottom line..providing an on-air enviornment that attracts advertisers who spend money who
76 BHMBAGLOCK : Just being dismissive of what they say and what I say does not make your condescending self right. ???? Yeah, I missed it. They were irrelevant befor
77 LTBEWR : Talk radio is another form of entertainment. It is difficulty to tell radio stations what they can broadcast as entertainment unless it exceeds 'commu
78 Post contains links RJdxer : Well it's an old one for me. I started in radio back in 1981 when the fairness doctrine was still in force. That was back when the public file was co
79 AGM100 : Frankly I am not sure what the Dems are so worried about. Leading up to the 2006 election their was a huge effort by Haniity , Limbaugh , and other ho
80 UH60FtRucker : But yet, look at the recent failure of the Immigration Bill to pass, and one can make an argument that talk radio is a big reason for that. It seems
81 TPAnx : Which had nothing to do with politics...it was a move to shorter commercials..and fewer of them ...to increase program time...and which has..especial
82 Cfalk : I refer you back to : If I remember my civics classes, the Constitution trumps a law passed by Congress every time. They don't mind that people can b
83 MDorBust : Not my quote.
84 GuitrThree : Not really. It's just conservatives actually follow the Constitution, while liberals tend to ignore it doesn't help their cause!
85 DeltaGator : I've been saying that through this whole thread. Content vs. programming but I guess since I'm a techie I just don't know what the hell I'm talking a
86 RJdxer : Correct, if you are talking about a person walking down the side walk and speaking his mind. However a broadcast license is an entirely different mat
87 Cfalk : But I doubt that would stand up to any serious challenge in the supreme court.
88 Mham001 : Since more than one study has determined that 90% of people working in newsrooms are registered Democrats, maybe we should also include that in any so
89 Post contains images EA CO AS : Spot-on. And while I'm fairly conservative (though socially moderate, even liberal in some ways) I find Hannity to be obnoxious. His listeners don't
90 RJdxer : What terms do you accept when you accept your drivers license? Do they include restrictions on your freedom of expression? What terms do you accept w
91 Post contains links Halls120 : Well, it looks like at least one Senator from California is openly admitting that she is considering moving for the reintroduction of the fairness doc
92 Post contains images N1120A : You are finally getting it Too bad liberalism doesn't actually rule TV.
93 Post contains images RJdxer : You know I've got my annual desk check today and that line just broke the butterflies flitting around my stomach. Thanks!
94 Seb146 : Or, you could look at it the way Sen. Feinstein does: The media does not cover the issues facing Americans anymore. What we get are stories about Par
95 Cfalk : You find Paris Hilton mainly on TV, not on radio talk shows. The 'Fairness Doctrine' is aimed at radio, not TV, so that argument is bogus. Does anyon
96 RJdxer : Sort of. Joe Blow could call up and demand his 3 hours, but he would still have to pay the going rate to get on. The fairness doctrine demanded for e
97 Cfalk : That's basically what you have now. If you want to respond, either find some sponsors or pay for the airtime yourself, but you can get on. But what i
98 RJdxer : Not if some else already had the air time locked up. In the case of the fairness doctrine returning it would be a boon for the station at first since
99 Cfalk : Absolutely, which is the entire point. The Democrats want to force talk radio out of AM, where it is very popular and where everyone has an AM radio,
100 RJdxer : I don't have any figures but I wonder how many are listening to nascar or NFL games at any one time? I think at least Rush and Hannity as well as a f
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