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Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?  
User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

21 June 2007


Hello everyone!!

I was just descharged from the hospital Today (21 Jun) after being admitted last week Friday early AM.....
I suffered a rapid irregular heartbeat which was determined to be Atrial Fibrulation caused from Sleep Apnea.... I am now the proud new owner of a full BiPap Mask that aids me in breathing at night. Apparently my oxygen saturation in my blood while I was asleep or trying to sleep was dropping to between 50-60.....Awake I was 94-97......

Last nite I had an observerd sleep test and it was determined that I do in fact have Sleep Apnea. Sleep Apnea is where your breathing becomes blocked off due to the relaxation of the muscles or any fatty tissue in and aroud the trachea. This is treated by wearing a mask over the nose or nose and mouth whilst the machine pumps in air constantly to inflate your airway and keep you from, well, dying or developing high blood pressure or having a stroke...Interestingly enuff, Sleep Apnea also causes weight gain, not to mention sleeping in places during teh day which you dont want to like work or worse driving.

I spent the first two nites in the Critical Care Unit but by Sunday after noon I was moved to the regular Medical floor....

I was discharged today and altho its good to be home I am just beside myself. I feel kind of scared as I am now faced with a condition and a cure that I will most likely have to live with for the rest of my life.

Can anyone here relate to this? Are there any of you that also suffer from Sleep Apnea? Id like to hear any other input...

Cheers, Access-Air


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

My boss has sleep Apnea, however he had surgery to treat it so he didn't have to dick with the mask and such.

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

I have it, and use a CPAP. I've have used it for just over 11 years. My quality of life increased significantly after I started using it. The good thing is the cost of them has come way down over the years. The first one I got was over $2500, now they can be had for $2-400. The bad part is, is the sleep study. If I need to get a new one, I need to get an expensive sleep study. Insurance didn't cover the costs last time I had it done.


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User currently offlineKBOS From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

I've had the CPAP for a couple of years now. I used it regularly at first but have had a hard time using it lately. It feels like I am suffocating with it on. I probably need the air volume changed or maybe just a different mask. I've put off making an appointment because I don't want to do another sleep lab right now. How I got the thing was kind of funny...My wife had been having problems sleeping so her doctor sent her to a specialist. I went along for support. The doctor asked her about her sleeping habits, like do you snore, are you always moving around are you always tired...she said no but my husband does to all the questions. Needless to say, two weeks later I was in for my own sleep lab where it was decided I need the machine.
Does anybody know if they can make adjustments to the CPAP without doing another lab?



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7792 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

My father has sleep apnea and uses a CPAP.... he has had it for the past 5-6 years. AFAIK it has helped him, but at the sametime he got diagnosed with the sleep apnea he was recovering from a severe case of Epstein-Barr virus which did quite the number on him.

Honestly if the device works for you, and you get better sleep each night then go for it. There are a lot more people out there using a CPAP than you would think. Just sit around an airport and you'd be surprised at the number of folks carrying them around.


Best of luck and I hope you feel better.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3793 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

One of our friends had it & didn't know. He died from a stroke attributed to Sleep Apnea in December 2005.

Fortunately, that opened my family's eyes. Both my parents had the overnight tests done soon after & they too were diagnosed with it & now have the CPAP machines.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

I "diagnosed" someone in the family with it and was spot on... Big grin My first real suspicion and it turned out to be right. He now wears a mask at night and the wife needed to get used to the lack of snoring right next to her.

So if you do snore a lot, it might be a sign that you have sleep apnea.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

I am finding that more and more people that I speak to have this.....I guess its not as uncommon as I thought....Its god to know there are others with the same situation, it makes me feel less like some sort of misfit.....
I am sure that it will take a while to get used to but its what has to be done....
Many thanks for all your replies.....

Cheers, Access-Air



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User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 7):
I am finding that more and more people that I speak to have this

I hope it's OK to ask you what happened to make you go to hospital- was there a problem that suddenly happened to you ? It interest me as I maybe have this problem also.

My wife is sure that I have this problem - I sleep badly (snoring, talking, even screaming ! and moving all the time) and often when I wake up I feel still very tired. Did you have the same problems as me ?

I think that more and more people are becoming aware of this problem, we have 2 good friends who sleep now with a mask for the same reasons.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 8):
I hope it's OK to ask you what happened to make you go to hospital- was there a problem that suddenly happened to you ? It interest me as I maybe have this problem also.

Often times if it's obstructive sleep apnea, you may find yourself waking up a lot in the middle of the night. Next time, have your wife take note to see if your breathing becomes really shallow or even stops, since that's the apnea part of it. Snoring doesn't mean that you have sleep apnea. If not try some things to relieve your snoring like snore strips, decongestants, sleeping position, etc; and have your wife keep track if shes getting woken up by your snoring.



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User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
Often times if it's obstructive sleep apnea, you may find yourself waking up a lot in the middle of the night.

This is interesting, as in fact I rarely wake up during the night (even if my sleep is very perturbed).

Thanks for your advice !


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 10):
This is interesting, as in fact I rarely wake up during the night (even if my sleep is very perturbed).

Here's the thing though. A lot of times we wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep and have no recollection of it the next morning. Especially if it's a mild sleep apnea or even just simple snoring. See if trying to limit the snoring helps you.



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User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 11):
See if trying to limit the snoring helps you.

This seems to be my biggest problem, and is one of the reasons that my wife thinks that I should go to have the hospital tests done. I am starting to worry that one day I will just not wake up, especially as I read more and more articles about this subject, and it seems to be a real problem area.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 12):
I am starting to worry that one day I will just not wake up, especially as I read more and more articles about this subject, and it seems to be a real problem area.

Then go see a doctor if it would make you feel better about it. I'm pretty sure they will try to rule out other causes before moving on to OSA.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
My boss has sleep Apnea, however he had surgery to treat it so he didn't have to dick with the mask and such.

I have Apnea. Here's a little something interesting about it, and this is important.

If you have Apnea, and hold a pilots license like I do, you HAVE TO use a mask and equipment with memory cards that can be uploaded to your Dr. to confirm that you are using it to continue to hold your medical ticket.

This is an important fact for those pilots considering surgery. You CANNOT have surgery for Apnea as usually fixes your problem, but immediately voids your medical ticket. The FAA will NOT approve surgery for Apnea as a cure for Apnea. This is for ALL classes of medical tickets. Don't ask me why, but this is what AOPA and the FAA say about it. The mask, as a pain that it is, is the only way for a pilot with Apnea to sleep well.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8456 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2171 times:
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Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
Atrial Fibrulation

This is a nasty arrhythmia and can lead to stroke if untreated. I hope your doctors are treating more than the sleep apnoea

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
Apparently my oxygen saturation in my blood while I was asleep or trying to sleep was dropping to between 50-60.....Awake I was 94-97......

94-97 is still a bit low, do you smoke?



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Had it, had the CPAP too and could not stand it. When they tested me they siad on the scale of moderate to severe I was an "Oh my f**^&^ing God".

I had a 3 part operation that addressed all the causes except one my weight.

I had a broken nose at some point that left me with a deviated septum, I never had my tonsils taken out, and my soft palate was an issue. The operations addressed all of those things and I now sleep like a log after losing 20 pounds.

Before is was irratable, fatiqued all the time, and just never felt good. The CPAP helped a lot, but my lifestyle just does not lend to such a regimin. It was a battle to get my HMO to apprve everything, but they did, and now I feel better than I have in a decade.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
The FAA will NOT approve surgery for Apnea as a cure for Apnea.

That is strange, especially since I am completely cured, as long as I keep the weight off that is. Apnea can be cause by a lot of things, many of which are reversable.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 13):
Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 12):
I am starting to worry that one day I will just not wake up, especially as I read more and more articles about this subject, and it seems to be a real problem area.

Then go see a doctor if it would make you feel better about it. I'm pretty sure they will try to rule out other causes before moving on to OSA.

Please just go in, if they suspect Apnea, all you do is stay the night in a sleep lab and they will know all they need to know. No big deal at all.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 7):
I am finding that more and more people that I speak to have this.....I guess its not as uncommon as I thought....

Being overweight is sometimes all it takes. Just another reason to not let yourslef get that way.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 16):
That is strange, especially since I am completely cured, as long as I keep the weight off that is. Apnea can be cause by a lot of things, many of which are reversable.

I know.. but, we're talking the government here... where nothing makes sense!! The only thing I could imagine is that there is no way to monitor this in a continuous method. Continuous sleep monitoring sessions could be prohibitively costly, while wearing a mask with a memory card that records sessions nightly proves at least something..

I wish I could have had the surgery, but (1) The FAA said no, (2) the Doctor I went to at the best rated sleep center in Nashville said he doesn't recommend surgery over the mask, and (3) most importantly, the wife said no!!

I'm glad it worked for you, I wish I could have had the surgery, however, I've still noticed great improvement in sleep and awakeness during the day... I still don't like lugging the machine around and the trouble of wearing a mask, but it works great, wife now sleeps, I still can fly, and it puts to rest a lot of issues that could come with Apnea.


On a side note, was it painful? I heard it is a pretty unpleasant experience...



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Hasn't a new drug been recently approved for Sleep Apnea? I could have sworn I just saw a thing on TV about it, a little more than a week ago.

User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

There is a lot of useful information from everyone above - thanks. One question I have about the mask - do you have to use it every night, and what happens if you are sleeping in a plane, do you use it as normal ?

User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 19):
One question I have about the mask - do you have to use it every night

Yes..

No mask=equals no relief... using the mask over time does NOT improve your apnea. It's wear the mask or sleep poorly. Now, will one, two, or even a week of sleeping without the mask lead to anything? Probably not, except for a lot of lost sleep. And trust me, you WILL know after just one night of not wearing it how much you miss it!!!

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 19):
and what happens if you are sleeping in a plane, do you use it as normal ?

Well, if you don't wear it, and you snore a lot, you probably will keep everyone around you up! However, strapping that thing on probably will freak some people out... I've never had the reason to wear it on a plane. I'd just leave it off for that flight and not scare anyone, especially kids... besides that, you need A/C power to use most of them unless its has a battery backup up.. but just hooking the machine, mask, and hose up really, really would be a pain unless you had the entire row to yourself.



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User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 20):
Well, if you don't wear it, and you snore a lot, you probably will keep everyone around you up!

Thanks for your explanations, this is very clear (and I agree about not frightening the other passengers !). . In fact, I never seem to snore when I sleep in a plane, only when I am in bed ! It sounds that the mask is quite big and difficult to wear, I am not sure how I would like to wear it. But if it improves the quality of my sleep, then that is important. Also, I heard that in some cases you risk dying in your sleep without the mask, maybe only in extreme cases.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 21):
In fact, I never seem to snore when I sleep in a plane, only when I am in bed !

Thats because, and it's hard to picture here, sleep apnea occurs when a piece of your throat closes your wind pipe. Thats where the weight thing comes into play.. the more mass the more easy it is to press on your pipe... when you are sleeping in a chair, such as an Airplane seat that isn't fully reclined, the pipe isn't as easily blocked. Thats what surgery does, it removes this extra flesh and stops the blockage.

The mask isn't big. There are different types.. do some homework, google 'cpap masks' and you will see all the different types. I have the one that just covers my nose. I have a friend that has a nose and mouth mask, and another that just has the type that basically has two small hoses that set at the end of his nose. It's just what your prefer, and/or what your Dr. advises. It's easy to wear, just inconvenient to lug the machine around when you travel. The biggest downside is that if you like to sleep on your stomach, forget it. Thats out of the question.

As a bonus, if you call it that, I've been told that airlines don't count this as a carry on since its a medical machine. So if you just do carry on, don't worry about it being another piece. Also, most machines have humidifiers on them, which take water to work, but do make a great deal of difference.



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User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

GuitrThree - thanks again for this advice. I now just need to arrange a visit to the doctor, my wife has been pushing me to do this for more than one year !

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 8):
I hope it's OK to ask you what happened to make you go to hospital- was there a problem that suddenly happened to you ? It interest me as I maybe have this problem also.

Its perfectly okay to ask.....I was awakened at night with a rapid irregular heartbeat, speed between 135-148 beats per minute. It was determined that that I was suffereing from Atrial Fibrillation and the blood was not being pumped in its full eficiency and there was cause for concern that because that the blood that was not being pumped properly might cause blood clots that could cause a stroke. So in answer, I am also on TWO blood thinners as well as a medicine that regulates my heart beat. Thats in addition to the Blood Pressure Meds that I already take...
Yes, I am over weight but from what I hear, the Apnea is also a culpret in making you gain even more weight, which probabaly explains why ithas been so difficult to lose weight as of late.
No I dont smoke....how ever I grew up in a household where my Father smoked. I had asthma as a kid that follwoed me thru early adulthood...My last asthma attack was in 1991....I havent had once since....I have also never had my tonsils out. My doctors back then never saw it neccessary to take them out even tho whilst I was still in school I would have a yearly Strep infection in the autumn....



Quoting Andz (Reply 15):
94-97 is still a bit low, do you smoke?



Quoting Andz (Reply 15):
This is a nasty arrhythmia and can lead to stroke if untreated. I hope your doctors are treating more than the sleep apnoea

To answer both questions, No I dont smoke....and never have. The 94-97 level is what I am at normally when I am awak and its apparently acceptable with both doctors that were attending my case. Yes, I am also being treated as I said above, for the arythmia.
By the way, my arythmia from that night did not convert to normal sinus rythym until 24 hours later.....
One of the bad things is that until a certain of my blood thinners (Coumadin) converts to what they call a "therpeutic level" I must give myself Lovenox injections twice a day with a blood thinner. Its kind of freaky but it has to be done...And....I also have to make a trip to the hospital to have blood drawn EVERY Day until it does convert.
the I can stop the injections....

The worst crinkle is that if I ever fly, I have to lug around the machine with me...and at the moment, I am barred from flying as precaution because in the name of being safe, I am not allowed to take a nap or snooz without the mahcine on my face.....
I am hoping that I will be losing more weight and that my condition will improve as such that I dont have the Apnea working against my trying to lose the weight...

Access-Air.



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25 Post contains links Go3Team : Quoting Access-Air (Reply 24): The worst crinkle is that if I ever fly, I have to lug around the machine with me...and at the moment, I am barred from
26 BHMBAGLOCK : I did this as well. Can't stand air blowing in my face while sleeping so CPAP was out of the question. Of course not, there's no recurring revenue fo
27 Go3Team : For those that had the surgery, any changes in the voice? That's what one of the doctors said would be a side effect of the surgery.
28 L410Turbolet : There's this standardized sleep pattern test when they attach you to EEG, ECG, monitor your eye movements, put this funny thing under your nose which
29 Mdsh00 : Surgeries are always more complicated than putting on a mask. If something wrong happened in surgery, that would be an even bigger problem for everyo
30 BHMBAGLOCK : No change at all. I know several other people who've had the surgery as well and this is the first I've heard of this supposed side effect. Most like
31 DernierVirage : Very true - I did not even know that surgery was an option....I guess that should have done some research myself already, but I am just at the start
32 BHMBAGLOCK : I am fortunate that my primary physician is very good about being open with all options. He'll freely give his opinion but he expects the patient to
33 DernierVirage : This is one reason I never went for a hospital test, it is not very pleasant and it also takes a long time to arrange Indeed ! and all the informatio
34 JAGflyer : Is sleep apnea usually caused by being overweight? I am always had the idea that people with sleep apnea are overweight, is this a misconception?
35 Post contains images Andz : Not a misconception at all, it is caused by excess tissue in the throat closing the trachea during sleep. It isn't the only cause, however. Many suff
36 Access-Air : Yes, It is a common misconception.....Its NOT ALWAYS because someone is overweight....My brother who is thin has Sleep Apnea and has to wear the CPAP
37 Go3Team : You will. It took me a few nights, after that it was a world of difference. I remember my senior year of high school, I would wake up, and with my mo
38 GuitrThree : Ummm, I don't think you had surgery for Apnea.. at least the common one... the surgery you described is for a deviated septum, not Apnea. I actually
39 Post contains images BHMBAGLOCK : You are correct, I actually had three separate procedures done at once. I think the main thing on the apnea was trimming of the uvula. Of course, the
40 DeltaDC9 : Not much of a mid night mood enhancer either if you know what I mean. The wife said the whole Darth Vader thing just didnt work. You are down 2-3 wee
41 GuitrThree : Me too!! "Deviated what? I didn't know men had them..." was what I asked the doctor! Yep.. now that's more like what I've heard... I was lucky enough
42 BHMBAGLOCK : Wow, very different from my experience. I did my surgery on a Thursday as I recall and was back at work first of the next week with no issues. They t
43 Redngold : I have severe sleep apnea. Although my oxygen saturation rarely dropped below 75%, I wasn't sleeping during most of the night. Recently I switched fro
44 DeltaDC9 : Deviated septum is a major cause of sleep apnea. Sounds like you simply had a soft pallet procedure. Consider yourself very very lucky. Yes, sleep ap
45 BHMBAGLOCK : Deviated septum, trimming of the uvula, removal of tonsils and something with adenoids.
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