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NCC-1701-D Size In Perspective  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5244 times:



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

It's settled then - we'll move the Pentagon to a spaceship! That ought to free up some choice real estate.  silly 


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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

What's amazing, is that in the grand scheme of things, the Enterprise-D wasn't even all that huge.

The original intent of the Romulan D'Deridex warbirds... was to be nearly doubt the size of the Enterprise-D. However, on screen, this size differential never materialized.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g52/UH60PilotIraq/Random%201/DDeridex.jpg

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Another oddity was the Klingon Bird-of-Preys.... which went through endless size changes, in order to fit the needs of the script. Sometimes the scale of the ship was barely big enough for a person to stand upright in, while other times they were bigger than the Enterprise-D!

...god I am such a nerd.

-UH60


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Enterprise still can't beat Galactica Big grin

http://www.shipschematics.net/bsg/images/colonial/battlestar_galactica.jpg



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

I always wanted to know the size of the Enterprise. Thanks for posting.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Another oddity was the Defiant's size - shown onscreen anywhere from 50m to 200m.

User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

I think I found the ultimate geekchart!
This is actually very interesting! look for the Saturn V rocket somewhere!
http://jyujin.de/~mdeininger/1180488234943.gif


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

I can't believe nobody bothered to put either the Nostromo or Spaceball One on that chart.


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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
I can't believe nobody bothered to put either the Nostromo or Spaceball One on that chart.

Yeah you're right, and the independance day ones as well...


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 6):
I think I found the ultimate geekchart!
This is actually very interesting! look for the Saturn V rocket somewhere!

Very nice, but I looked it over twice and can't find a Deathstar.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

A Deathstar would be off chart I guess.
A milennium falcon just for the sake of it would be cool as well!

BTW,
what is that Nexx thing completely on the bottom right?
never heard of that one..


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3025 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5117 times:
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theres a few mistakes on there...

most glaring:

from 2001 and 2010, the Alexi Leonov should be about 33% the length of the USS Discovery... yet the sizes given make it longer. 97.85 vs 102 meters.



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User currently offlineA340313X From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

The super star destroyer wins! Star Wars owns all the sci fis! That's not even including either of the death stars...

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5066 times:
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Quoting A340313X (Reply 12):
The super star destroyer wins! Star Wars owns all the sci fis! That's not even including either of the death stars...

Star Treks Dysons Sphere trumps the Death Stars big time!!



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

I like this one.



User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5066 times:
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Quoting A340313X (Reply 12):
The super star destroyer wins! Star Wars owns all the sci fis!

Except - and I say this as a die hard Star Wars AND Star Trek fan - the Type X Phasers mounted on most Federation starships would eat through anything in the Star Wars universe, and the shielding on Star Trek ships would absorb just about any punishment the Star Wars ships could muster - they only used turbolasers which are weak by comparison.

Save for perhaps the Death Star's main gun, of course.

Yep, I'm a geek too.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
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This one's my favorite...




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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
Except - and I say this as a die hard Star Wars AND Star Trek fan - the Type X Phasers mounted on most Federation starships would eat through anything in the Star Wars universe, and the shielding on Star Trek ships would absorb just about any punishment the Star Wars ships could muster - they only used turbolasers which are weak by comparison.

Too bad that's not true, according to people who have analyzed the movies and shows to an unbelievable level:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5007 times:



NERDS!



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4996 times:
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I love this thread.....I want that poster.....

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 6):
I think I found the ultimate geekchart!

well done...I'm looking for that now...

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 18):
NERDS!

Your point? Other than the one on top of your head?  Wink



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4990 times:
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Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
Except - and I say this as a die hard Star Wars AND Star Trek fan - the Type X Phasers mounted on most Federation starships would eat through anything in the Star Wars universe, and the shielding on Star Trek ships would absorb just about any punishment the Star Wars ships could muster - they only used turbolasers which are weak by comparison.

Too bad that's not true, according to people who have analyzed the movies and shows to an unbelievable level:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/....html

I've done a fair bit of research on this myself - as I've said, I'm a diehard fan of both series - and after very close and careful analysis of what was posted at stardestroyer.net I've come to the conclusion that they're utterly full of crap.

First off - it's posted at STARDESTROYER.NET. Think the domain name might give a clue as to which way their "facts" will be spun?

Let's talk science. Heavy gun on a mere troop transport equaling 2.4 million megatons? Puh-leeze.

The U.S. Castle-Bravo thermonuclear detonation was the highest-yield U.S. test ever, at 15 megatons. That's 1000 times more destructive than the Fat Man and Little Boy implosion-type and gun-type nuclear weapons used on Japan in 1945. Ever seen footage of it? I have - and it's FAR more devastating than any blast from a ship-mounted gun in the Star Wars universe.

The Soviet Tsar Bomba detonation, the highest yield thermonuclear device ever detonated, was in the 50-100 megaton range, although most estimates have it at 65MT maximum. Again, FAR more deadly than anything shown as canon in Star Wars, save for the Death Star.


But you actually believe a simple troop transport's GUN is equal to many hundreds of thousands of times that force? Nope, sorry.

Want more info? Okay - the book being cited as the source for the Star Wars technological data is widely disputed as not being 'canon' and therefore inadmissable for use in comparisons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_versus_Star_Wars

Post AOTC:ICS era
The technology-related debate took a turn in 2002 after the publication of Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross Sections, better known by its acronyms AOTC:ICS, EP2: ICS, or E2ICS. Dr. Curtis Saxton, who holds a doctorate in astrophysics and was previously known for his scholarly discussions of Star Wars technology, was hired by LucasFilm, Ltd. to do the research and technical write-ups for the book. The book had figures for Star Wars weaponry that confirmed many of the upper estimates of the pro-Wars advocates, which were far higher than what the pro-Trek side had been able to field.

The book was immediately controversial. Some pro-Trek debaters doubted the accuracy of the book, questioning the author's objectivity and personal integrity. Suspicions were raised in part because of the thanks offered by Dr. Saxton in the Acknowledgments section of his book to several prominent pro-Wars debaters. This led to allegations that the book itself was written in order to win the Star Trek vs Star Wars debate. Defenders of the book said that LucasFilm hired Dr. Saxton based on the strength of his earlier works, and that this was thus a tacit blessing of his firepower calculations. They also pointed to his education, which they argued made him more qualified to do the requisite mathematical and scientific analysis of the films than any previous technical writer of the Star Wars series.

The various communities have since divided into two groups, mostly identified along Star Wars / Star Trek party lines. The first group accepted Dr. Saxton's book as an accurate and valid part of Star Wars canon. Many taking this view held that the book decided the debate in favor of Star Wars. A number of pro-Trek debaters agreed and retired from the field. As a consequence, the debate receded into areas of esoterica or died out altogether in some communities.

The second group consisted of those who rejected the book for three main reasons. First, they doubted its accuracy, believing that many of the numbers were derived from research and from conclusions that they disagreed with. Second, they refused to consider technical books of this type as being genuine Star Wars canon. Finally, they stated that Dr. Saxton's book contradicted other sources of equal or higher authority, specifically the movies and their novelizations. Thus, they concluded that the book was inadmissible as evidence.



Now, here's the rub - all Star Wars weapons, even on capital ships, are LASERS. Star Trek weapons are PHASERS - basically lasers on steroids. From an episode of ST:TNG, a ship attacks the Enterprise-D with laser weaponry, causing much amusement to Cmdr. Riker, who points out that lasers cannot breach the Enterprise's shields.

This argument would seem to be cut-and-dried - but like anything else that's probably not ENTIRELY the case. I'm sure that others will have contrary info, and I'm okay with that - as I said, I love both series equally.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4987 times:
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Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 18):


NERDS!

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Guilty as charged.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

Interesting that the Pentagon is almost exactly the same size as the saucer section. Could somebody post an Enterprise-D to scale with the International Space Station or an A380?


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User currently onlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 18):
NERDS!

You post at Airliners.net - that alone vaunts you into the upper echelons of nerd-dom. Big grin



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):

I'm kinda disappointed. I always envisioned the Enterprise D to be bigger for some reason. Dunno why, it's only supposed to accommodate, what, 1000 or so people?


25 AirTranTUS : Star wars seems to me to have a lot more fantasy in it than Star Trek as well.
26 SmithAir747 : How about the City Destroyers on the movie ID4-Independence Day? What about the Mother Ship? These dwarf anything from Star Wars or Star Trek, both in
27 Post contains images EA CO AS : Not really. The city destroyers in ID4 are found on this chart: At 24,000 meters it's bigger than the Executor(Super) Class Star Destroyer, but far s
28 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : Here's 1701-D over Maho Beach at TNCM...
29 Post contains links EA CO AS : Here's that chart again - sorry it got cut off. Click the link below : http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/comparison.xhtml[Edited 2007-06-28 09:56:21]
30 Post contains links Kieron747 : Great thread, thanks for posting, I want that poster! I actually used to really enjoy the original pilot episodes of Lexx, but it went downhill after
31 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : You people are all nerds. Of course I tried to make the ultimate geekchart my wallpaper. Don't try it, all your icons will magically disappear.
32 Post contains links and images Kieron747 : I used to think the same. I remember being disappointed at just how small the command module of Discover was in 2001. Considering the pod at the from
33 Jamincan : With all this SW v. ST debate, this is probably relevant:
34 Post contains images AA61Hvy : Yeah, but I'm only an airplane nerd
35 UH60FtRucker : Well if you think about it - how many people work in the pentagon? Roughly 23,000 military/civilian personnel, and roughly 3,000 support personnel. S
36 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : ok well since we want to get into symantics... Dr Soran's torpedo wasn't the thing that created the bang... it was a fusion inhibitor and caused the s
37 EA CO AS : ...which is not considered canon, and is therefore inadmissable.[Edited 2007-06-29 10:39:18]
38 Allstarflyer : What about the books in Star Trek? Are they all canon? I remember one where another planet killer was found, supposedly tougher than the one encounte
39 Post contains links Zak : as far as i can tell the charts were created from this webpage, which is nerd heaven: http://www.merzo.net/
40 EA CO AS : ST:TNG Technical Manual is. I believe a few others are as well.
41 Post contains links Hawaiian717 : None of the novels are, though I think some consider Pathways to be at least semi-canon as it was written by one of Voayger's co-creators. Some of th
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