KFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3332 posts, RR: 29 Posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1405 times:
Case and point for the right to carry a concealed weapon...
Subway customer lauded as hero for gunning down robbers in Plantation
Some are calling a former U.S. Marine a hero for shooting two men — killing one — during the botched robbery of a sandwich shop in Plantation. But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.
John Lovell had just finished dinner at about 11: 15 p.m. Wednesday when, Plantation police say, two men armed with guns rushed inside a Subway shop and demanded cash. After robbing the store, the men turned to Lovell. They wanted his money, police said. But like his attackers, Lovell was armed.
The retired military man opened fire, shooting dead Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale, and critically injuring Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale. Lovell, 71, of Plantation, has a valid concealed weapons permit and is not expected to be charged in the shooting, said police spokesman Detective Robert Rettig. Gadson, however, faces multiple felony charges that could include murder, he said. Under Florida law, anyone who commits a felony such as armed robbery resulting in a death can be held accountable for the capital offense.
"He feared for his life," Rettig said of Lovell. "And if he's in fear for his life, then he has a right to defend himself, even if it means severe bodily injury or death."
Florida law gives people the right of "self-defense without the duty to retreat." That means individuals can use deadly force virtually anywhere to prevent death or serious injury.
According to a police statement, Arrindell ordered Lovell to hand over his wallet. He intentionally dropped it on the floor and refused to pick it up, saying he was afraid. That's when Arrindell ordered him into the women's restroom.
"The victim believed he would be executed and when he noticed [Arrindell] distracted ... reached behind his back, removed his loaded .45 caliber handgun from his holster and fired seven rounds," the statement said.
Arrindell was struck twice — once in the head and once in the stomach — and collapsed. Officers found him face down, wearing sunglasses and a bandanna, with a gun near his left hand. Gadson was hit in the chest and ran from the store. Police dogs found him in the hedges of a nearby office building and bank.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
Interesting - according to some members here, armed law-abiding citizens haven't ever prevented crime or saved lives.
Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter): Poetic justice...The shitbag who came out alive faces not only multiple felony charges, but murder...for the fact that he committed armed robbery which resulted in a death.
And as for the other one...May he rot in hell.
Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter): But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.