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International Rugby - What Is Going On?  
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Hey all,

The series of meaningless games continues. Stone-handed All Blacks lose to the Wallabies, the Springboks send a C side to Australia, etc. And those same three teams were criticising northern hemisphere teams for fielding nonsense teams during the summer/winter tours...  scratchchin 

Is there any point in watching the rest of the Tri Nations championship? Is it worth even playing them?

What the devil is going on?  banghead 

Opinions on the state of pro rugby everyone?

Cheers.

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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4314 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

''International Rugby- What is going on?''

We've been asking that very question for 10 years now.

Signed,
Argentina  yes 



My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Opinions on the state of pro rugby everyone?

England's rugby state = dreadful.

World Cup soon - i think the real competition is how quickly they can get knocked out.

Shame that.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

True.

Now if we could get some answers, or at least possible courses of action to remedy the current situation, that would be great. Not that Millar or Lapasset would give a monkey's, but constructive discussion remains a good way to promote ideas.  Smile

Hey, not my fault if half of the Pumas play for Stade Français...  Wink

Buena anda,

Y.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Stone-handed All Blacks lose to the Wallabies

A very poor game by both teams and it eventually cost one team in the end. What surprised me the most was the All Blacks inability to score any points in the second half.

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
the Springboks send a C side to Australia

The Boks intentions are elsewhere the World Cup


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting Freckles (Reply 2):

England's rugby state = dreadful.

Great, does that mean we will only get beat by 50?

Signed,

The Drunken Frat Boys AKA, USA Rugby.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Stone-handed All Blacks lose to the Wallabies

It's getting near to a World Cup. The All Blacks are bound to start practising for their main choke in about three months time.  Wink



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting Freckles (Reply 2):
England's rugby state = dreadful.

World Cup soon - i think the real competition is how quickly they can get knocked out.

To be honest, England is my darkhorse. I think they are very underrated. If Wilkinson is healthy, they have a couple of blokes in the back who can make a difference. The forward pack will be rock-solid as usual so they have the ingredients to make a good run: less pressure, element of surprise and fundamentally sound team.

I say the semi-finals are definitely doable, and a 3rd place finish would probably be within reach.

Cheer up, overall I think England is better than Australia and South Africa.  Smile

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
A very poor game by both teams and it eventually cost one team in the end. What surprised me the most was the All Blacks inability to score any points in the second half.

The trademark of two teams still looking for chemistry and combinations. And the All Blacks had to lose a game at some stage. But I definitely agree with you, a poor outing on both sides. And the fans did not make a mistake. 21,000 short of capacity at the G. Shameful. covereyes 

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
The Boks intentions are elsewhere the World Cup

In which case they urgently need to find themselves halves and three quarters who can actually finish a 4-on-2. Hopeless. They probably have the best tight five in the game but that is not enough anymore.

Should I mention France or do we agree not to shoot at an ambulance?  silly 


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
The All Blacks are bound to start practising for their main choke in about three months time.

I do not know what is worse... The fact that such a crumble seems unthinkable or the fact that you might very well be right?  gasp 


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Great, does that mean we will only get beat by 50?

30 would be a more realistic outcome. Though on a good day...


User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
If Wilkinson is healthy, they have a couple of blokes in the back who can make a difference.

Yes, he will be good for about 10 minutes, and then the cleverer teams will just knock him down again as they know that he's the ticket to getting points on the board for England - because he can score penalties/conversions and even though they are 3 points, i've seen teams win on penalties alone. As soon as he's injured, I think that they'll go downhill. In a more optimistic view, i think he probably could do pretty well for England as long as he is fit and up to his normal hard hitting tackles standard.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
Cheer up, overall I think England is better than Australia and South Africa.

I disagree - if you look at their record then it's pretty obvious what England are capable of.

But i suppose we'll see - you never know it might not be as bad as some of us think.

Morgan


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting Freckles (Reply 10):
i've seen teams win on penalties alone.

Yes, e.g. France at Twickenham in '05...  Wink

I know, cheap shot.

Quoting Freckles (Reply 10):
e probably could do pretty well for England as long as he is fit and up to his normal hard hitting tackles standard.

Honestly, I think this is exactly what he should NOT do. His heavy tackles are the reason why his shoulders are begging for mercy. Come to think of it, he is only 27 and has had as much surgery as Michael Jackson. Wilkinson does not need to tackle so hard. Lewis Moody and Mike Tindall are there to do just that. Spare him, let him play is passing and kicking game and things should be fine.  Smile

Quoting Freckles (Reply 10):
I disagree - if you look at their record then it's pretty obvious what England are capable of.

Good point. Though if you go by records then the All Blacks should have won every World Cup, except maybe '91. Yet they have won "only" one and been to "only" two Finals. As opposed to the Wallabies who, with a definitely less brilliant record, have won two and been to three Finals.

It is about being ready when it matters, just like England was in '03. Again, I am not saying England will win. I do not think they will. But I think they are vastly overlooked and will make some noise. They have a super tough draw (SA and Samoa) which means they will be going full steam when/if they reach the Quarterfinals.

And again, it is just a personal opinion. Hey, when an French-Australian gives support to England you should take it and run away with it  silly .

Cheers.


User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11):

It is about being ready when it matters, just like England was in '03. Again, I am not saying England will win.

Ah that was a brilliant world cup for them - enjoyable to watch too, some good rugby. I don't think they will win, but hopefully i guess if they can perk up their game, and prepare themselves they should get somewhere - I think AUS will.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11):
And again, it is just a personal opinion. Hey, when an French-Australian gives support to England you should take it and run away with it silly .

And yes, I know. Cheers  Wink


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Hey Morgan,

Simple question: do you play yourself?

You seem to know a lot about rugby. And no, I will not indulge into a classic sexist comment such as "for a girl".  Wink

Do you follow rugby closely?

Cheers.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
The trademark of two teams still looking for chemistry and combinations

The All Blacks already have this, though they were unsettled with injuries over the weekend. Though the choice for scrum half is wrong IMO.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
And the fans did not make a mistake. 21,000 short of capacity at the G. Shameful

LOL come on this is rugby union in Melbourne. Many of the fan

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
Cheer up, overall I think England is better than Australia and South Africa

 rotfl  Surely your joking?


User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13):
do you play yourself?

I don't hahahaha ! And no worries about a sexist comment because i make it all the time, it's meant to be a sport for men, not that i mind women playing. My brother plays and has since '97 or so, so i've been on tours etc with him and i used to go to every match.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13):
Do you follow rugby closely?

I wouldn't say closely, and i barely follow club rugby. I used to have a fascination (whether it was for his rugby or the way he looks  Wink) with Wilko in '03 when there was a lot of hype so i followed Newcastle but i've never seen him play. I only follow it if i can be bothered in truth.. but i know a fair amount about it!!


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 14):
Surely your joking?

No I am not. But I guess only a direct confrontation during the World Cup will settle this...  biggrin  Or a few too many pints at Bridie's. Your pick, mate.

Quoting Freckles (Reply 15):
(whether it was for his rugby or the way he looks Wink)

Now we are getting to the core of the subject...  silly  Anyway, congrats to you on your knowledge (and, I am sure, your gigantic Wilko posters collection)!

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 14):
LOL come on this is rugby union in Melbourne. Many of the fan

Do you know that the world record for attendance at a rugby game is held by the MCG? For the first game of the '97 Bledisloe Cup... Sometimes I just don't understand Melburnians... *sigh*


User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
I am sure, your gigantic Wilko posters collection)!

Haha !! I suppose i did have a crush on him, and there wasn't a whole scrapbook of pictures of him  laughing   Wink Oh well, old times i suppose. I've lost respect for him though, don't know why but i'm not as  hearts  about him anymore.
Lost his young good looks haha.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13):
You seem to know a lot about rugby. And no, I will not indulge into a classic sexist comment such as "for a girl".

Plenty of women at rugby matches, you know. Besides, let's be honest about one thing; when the referee blows up for a penalty in the scrum, a novice in the stands has as much of a clue as to why as an expert, male or female! The most frequently heard conversation in every ground is "What was that for?", "Dunno, mate" or French, Spanish, Italian, Afrikaans variations on the same thing.  Wink

Anyway, I'm married to someone who yelled "Come on England, this lot are shit!" amongst 70,000 Welshmen at the Millennium stadium in Cardiff.  Yeah sure



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 18):
I'm married to someone who yelled "Come on England, this lot are shit!"

Jesus Christ...I guess I'll have to re-think my personal situation  Wow!



I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 18):
Anyway, I'm married to someone who yelled "Come on England, this lot are shit!" amongst 70,000 Welshmen at the Millennium stadium in Cardiff.

 rotfl  You could have reminded her that was the case several years ago

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
Do you know that the world record for attendance at a rugby game is held by the MCG?

Interesting though quite a few would have travelled from NSW and QLD and from NZ. Im not sure how many Melbournians would actually go to the game.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
No I am not. But I guess only a direct confrontation during the World Cup will settle this...

Well If all goes to plan England will meet Australia in the QTR finals


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 20):
You could have reminded her that was the case several years ago

Unfortunately, England were losing at the time - the first Welsh win in God knows how many years. Probably for the best. As a true man, I was hiding after she yelled that anyway.  Wink

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
Do you know that the world record for attendance at a rugby game is held by the MCG?

What is it? And will that be challenged once Twickenham is completed?



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
Do you know that the world record for attendance at a rugby game is held by the MCG?

What is it? And will that be challenged once Twickenham is completed?

ok here it is - Bledisloe Cup, Rugby Union Test Match, Australia v New Zealand on July 26 set a new record Australian Rugby crowd of 90,119.
http://www.mcg.org.au/default.asp?pg=historychronology&page=8


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 22):
set a new record Australian Rugby crowd of 90,119

Ah. Twickenham will be about 83,000 capacity, which does make it the largest rugby ground in the world.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Let me be the first to admit that NZ could not get the basics right on Saturday night, with our handling errors and penalty count we deserved to loose. In my opinion, if we judge games by the whole 80 minute performance NZ should not have won against South Africa as well. The games against Canada and France were frustrating to watch as a spectator as in every single game this year, we have managed to throw away 2-3 try scoring opportunities (at least) per game because someone in our team cannot catch the ball when it counts.

The All Blacks against Australia were static and backwards. They did not understand the concept of kicking the ball into the oppositions half for territorial advantage. Instead, they constantly tried to run it out from their own half and handling errors gave away possesion. The Wallabies defence was great, For much of the game the All Blacks did not make the advantage line, but yet instead of kicking the ball to turn the Ozzies around we chose to run the ball (again).

The loss is a great wake up call for NZ. It shows us that we are human and that we cannot just win a game by turning up. It is a good reality check for a sometimes overconfident team and public. I just hope we learn from this and don't become cocky before our world cup games (i.e 1999 was the worst)

I'm sick of hearing the captain say "the boys played well" week in and week out when the stats show an average of 15 handling errors in each game on average.

Yes, NZ is going through a phase where our best number 13's seem to be injured, but coughing up tries bacause we can't catch is no excuse. And this sort of error count WILL loose us close games when it counts. I hope the NZ team wake up and get back and execute the basics. Because we all know that when all of the NZ guys come out to play with minimal erros and a fully fit team, we are very hard to beat indeed.

Rant Over, and that being said, Go th All blacks in the RWC

That being said, NZ also need to nail their shots at goal. Carter's kicking form has not been the best as of late. I hope this changes soon.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
What surprised me the most was the All Blacks inability to score any points in the second half.

It didnt suprise me, we played crap. Absolute crap. You guys deserved to win hands down and well done to Mortlock and his men

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
The All Blacks are bound to start practising for their main choke in about three months time

I speak for everyone in this country. I freakin hope not thiis time around. It's been like 4 in a row now...

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16):
Do you know that the world record for attendance at a rugby game is held by the MCG?

I thought it was at Stadium Australia in 2000. NZ vs Australia, I remember that game, Jonah Lomu went in 3 minutes from full time to win us the game. The crowd was 109,000 + if I remember correctly (very close to 110,000)


25 Freckles : Hahahaa, oh dear. I'm a woman - and i've had my fair share of embarrassing yelling at rugby matches - but that is something i would've loved to see.
26 SpinalTap : The All Blacks played very averagely in the weekend, still lots of handling errors, Daniel Carter still isn't up to his best, his goal kicking was bel
27 Post contains images Banco : Any more euphemisms for "We've been stuffed" you want to trot out?
28 Steve332 : The 1st Irishman to post in a thread about rugby!!!!! Anyway I have a feeling France will do it the home advantage is a huge boost and for some reason
29 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I think if you read both our posts you know its what we mean We were beaten fair and square, the result you expect when you play lethargicly
30 Post contains images Banco : Probably. Their aim has to be to just get that far and see what happens. After all, Australia weren't great last time around and they got to the fina
31 Post contains links VHVXB : You right. Jonah's tried occured in injury time which one the game for the ABs World record crowd in rugby union - 109,874 Bledisloe Cup 2000 http://
32 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I see your point and yes come to think about it thats what it means. But I wouldn't say they (Oz) are crap. They are like the Boks and the French, th
33 Post contains images Banco : Oh, not always! Only in 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003.... Besides, it's always entertaining waiting for the new excuse. The team being poisoned is the best
34 Post contains images VHVXB : Scrum half is one that needs to be looked at IMO Your not the only but then again who is a good enough replacement? Isn't that the excuse the English
35 Post contains images Banco : The one we won? Hmm. It might explain how on earth Australia were still in it after 100 minutes against a vastly superior side.
36 VHVXB : lol, no not that. I was talking about the general decline of English rugby after the win.
37 Steve332 : Very true that mate, very true..... Perfect example is the recent match with France, we tought we had it won and lose posession then we froze we didn
38 Post contains links and images SpinalTap : Do you think Weepu is better than Kelleher? We have to give Evans of McAlister a go at 1st five, Dan Carter should spend the time practicing goal kic
39 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Well for a start, I personally think that leaving Mils at 13 and bringing Evans into 15 would have been a better option. It gives us a platform at le
40 Post contains images WunalaYann : I was getting desperate to read Smith's name on someone's list. Yes, I think Conrad Smith is a very good alternative to Aaron Mauger. Though I would
41 Andz : Yes we saw that on England's recent tour here...
42 Post contains images Banco : Whilst I would query whether England are better than either of those, you can't remotely use that tour of the England 4th XV as justification. Hell,
43 YOWza : hahaha This RWC is a four horse race, the tri-nations teams and France. Beyond that there does not appear to be a tremendous amount of strength comin
44 Andz : Thre is no "remarks" column on the trophy!
45 Post contains images WunalaYann : I agree with that, hence this thread. Remember that during the 2003 Tri Nations, the All Blacks demolished the Springboks by 40 points in PRETORIA!!
46 Post contains images SpinalTap : You are getting me very confused, please speak NZ rugby Mauger is what we in NZ would call a 2nd 5/8 (No 12, what others call an "inside centre") In
47 Post contains images WunalaYann : Fine, we will go by numbers, then. Smith can play both 12 and 13. What I was thinking about was something along the lines of Mauger/Toeava or Smith/No
48 Post contains images Banco : Er...yes. That's in the World Cup though, not a tinpot tour where England have 50 (fifty!!) players unavailable. We call them centres.
49 VHVXB : Yes I do I would throw Ireland into mix as well. They have quite a competitive team Speaking of Tri Nations Australia's greatest ever 9 and 10 (Grega
50 Banco : It's also foolish to rule out an England side that did, after all, beat France in their most recent game. Australia were no-hopers in 2003, and went
51 Steve332 : If your ruling out Ireland then you need to sit down and watch the 6 nations again pal, We destroyed Italy, England and Wales (to an extent) we had F
52 Post contains images Banco : Besides, they'd no doubt deliberately take out O'Driscoll in the first minute of the match. Oh, silly me, of course they wouldn't. What kind of team
53 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Man, you Brits like rubbing things in don't you As for the RWC, I hope NZ learns their lesson of 2003 and 1999 that we aern't invinsible. i.e we stil
54 Post contains images WunalaYann : Never has a smiley been more appropriately used. Er, ever heard of Farr-Jones and Lynagh? Join the club. I think Weepu is more unselfish than Kellehe
55 Post contains images Derico : The one good thing about Rugby is that such nonsense as an anti-football strategy does not pay off. In football such awful play (to watch), like Gree
56 YOWza : Ireland are in good form but I don't see the same depth in their team as I do in some of the others and this is a huge issue in tournaments with shor
57 Post contains images WunalaYann : What? And depriving a.net of its one and only purpose? Are you insane?
58 Banco : Oh, don't get me wrong, I can't see it either! It's just that writing off any of the bigger sides is a pretty silly thing to do. To take England as a
59 VHVXB : and his creativity keeps players guessing as well. You watch Australian rugby will capitulate after the world cup with retirement of Larkham
60 KiwiinOz : Hope so, poncy Irish tosser I think the result the other day against the Aussies is important, but not overly concerning unless they do it again... T
61 Post contains images Banco : Ah, if anyone fancied England, their odds wouldn't be great, now would they?
62 Freckles : Fair play, O'Gara is a good kicker, but not better than the ones listed, I mean come on!!!! One of the best maybe, but there are other world class ki
63 Steve332 : This is true, The above on thier day can kick anything as can O'Gara. When you get to a level as high as these lads are then the margin of difference
64 Post contains images Bill142 : I don't have high hopes for the world cup. But if you look at the history, Australia wins ever second world cup, so we're due a win in 2007
65 ZKSUJ : I wonder how some of the smaller teams will do this year. Japan played very well at the last world cup, would be nice to see some of the 'minows' give
66 Banco : Well, it would be, but uinfortunately the IRB are completely useless at promoting the game beyond the strongholds. Witness the opportunity to hold a W
67 ZKSUJ : I heard about that, but no publicity about that over here. I'm interested to know what actually happened. Can you fill us in? Also heard a roumer abo
68 Banco : There were all sorts of rumours about deals being done between the major nations, back scratching and so forth. Put it this way, after the vote, ther
69 WrenchBender : This is very true for the Mens game but they are fairly effective when it comes to promotion of the Ladies game. I completely agree with you on this,
70 KiwiinOz : What.....no trash talk in a sports thread???......What sort of crazy place is this???!!!
71 Bill142 : Exactly. If Australia isn't slagging off the All Blacks and New Zealand aren't slagging off the Wallabies there is something wrong.
72 KiwiinOz : And don't even get me started on the poms!!!
73 Post contains images WunalaYann : One of the truest statements I have ever read on this forum. Maybe. But it is never too late to do good. Even if it is for the wrong reasons.The fact
74 Steve332 : Yeah true that its all part of sports but theres a time and place for it and this isnt it, I could easily start having a go at England simply cause t
75 Banco : Hang on a minute! It's the bloody Kiwi who's slagging you off, why have a go at us?
76 Steve332 : Im not havin a go at anyone, I was using England as an example simply because your our biggest rivals, I could just say Wales or France either, it wa
77 Post contains images Banco : No offence taken - it was only a joke. I'm actually a bit disappointed though. Having a New Zealander talking about Irish tossers the least I would ha
78 Post contains images ZKSUJ : So you mean the Welsh?
79 Steve332 : They say its better on the edge of a cliff, aparrently they push back harder!!
80 Post contains images Banco : Mmm. Well, I'm trying to remember when they got far enough into a tournament to choke, so you might have to help me out here. If not, then it's you,
81 Post contains images WrenchBender : I heard this version of all the different Sheep Sha**ers, Welsh- Rubber boots so they can't run away (put their back legs in your boots), Scots- Kilt
82 Post contains images ZKSUJ : A few million to one last time I checked. (not making us kiwi's situation any better eh)
83 Post contains images WunalaYann : Don't you try. Leave us out of there and continue to bash one another amongst yourselves on your little islands. In the meantime Jake White continues
84 KiwiinOz : That's what I was expecting. That's OK though. The thread is heading in the right direction now, (slagging off, including you innocent poms, I love h
85 Post contains images WunalaYann : Lote Tuqiri. The rest.
86 Post contains images Banco : Been a while since anyone's called us that. Ah. It almost makes you long for the days of Wendell Sailor, doesn't it?
87 Post contains images WunalaYann : I am not a big fan of nowadays' Wallabies but I certainly hope for their sake that we are rid of this moron... Now you know what it feels like to be
88 Post contains images Steve332 : All in all Im hoping for a great world cup, all this trash talk will really come to light when it finally kicks off. Im not going to make any predicti
89 Post contains images WunalaYann : As we say in French, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Great, winning teams play at 110% from the first to the 80th minute. Oh, and Ireland ha
90 ZKSUJ : Well Ozzie beat the Boks. No suprises there...
91 VHVXB : And may have well cost themselves the tri-nations cup by not scoring another try and securing the bonus point.
92 Bill142 : They really messed up the last attempt at a try. Almost cost them the game! it was quite a scrappy game by both teams. How many of the boks ended up
93 Andz : Easy to say now, but there were some anxious faces when the "cream puff second string Boks" went 17-0 up within the first ten minutes.
94 Bill142 : That happens to Australia alot. We're very poor at starting the game.
95 Post contains images Andz : and we are garbage at finishing
96 Post contains images WunalaYann : Remember that the "cream puff second string Wales" went up 17-0 in the first 15 minutes against Australia as well... Does anybody care anyway? I am s
97 Post contains images ZKSUJ : The Ozzies were expected to win, hence no suprises. I never said it was an easy win And I see WanalaYunn's point. At the end of the day its still a t
98 Post contains images WunalaYann : Agreed. And this is exactly the problem. There should be surprises sometimes. Like last week's upset in Melbourne. But I am hoping for upsets when "i
99 QANTAS077 : who's bloody idea at CH7 was it to show the game in Perth at 11pm? useless bastards...So I'm battling to stay awake for the entire game whilst switchi
100 Post contains images WunalaYann : That of someone who simply does not give a rat's bum about the game. And that can be a LOT of people at 7... Again, I cannot really blame them - who
101 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Expectation can be dangerous (All Blacks 1999,2003), just as well you guys won
102 Post contains images WunalaYann : Hey, I am an All Blacks fan, not a Wallabies fan. You forgot '95, by the way. And yes, the players fell victim of food poisoning.
103 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Yea thats the one, what about the 1991 semi final loss as well Man our track record has been crap (Mouth hanging open)
104 Steve332 : Exactly my point!!
105 Post contains images WunalaYann : No, that one was deserved for the Wallabies. They had the best team, head and shoulder above the rest. I was a huge fan of theirs at that time... Bas
106 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Yeap, can't remember it well but I'm sure it still hurt though
107 ZKSUJ : Anyway, the NZ injury list is slowly comming right, but not quite there. SA have a few casualties as well. Will be close on Saturday in the Tri Nation
108 VHVXB : I think the All Blacks will destroy the Springboks this Saturday and I feel the same fate awaits the Wallabies as well.
109 ZKSUJ : Just on the News. Tourism NZ are putting up a big blow up rugby ball during the RWC near the Eifel Tower. You can go inside and it will be promotion f
110 Post contains images Banco : Will it suddenly burst, sometime around the semi-finals?
111 KiwiinOz : Bastard!!! I can't wait until we shed this chokers tag I reckon the drinks won't have even been chilled by the time that England gets knocked out!!
112 Post contains images Banco : But in the meantime, it's soooo much fun! Maybe. But at least half the world was born last time we won it.
113 Post contains images WunalaYann : As opposed to the football one which, well, let us not go there...
114 Post contains images Banco : Actually, I remember reading a South African newspaper article that was talking about the (admittedly unlikely) horror scenario of England winning fo
115 Post contains images WunalaYann : You mean, more than your already unsufferable average selves? The very notion of it is enough to make the big bang theory sound easy to grasp...
116 Banco : Believe me, your adopted countrymen are the worst of all. They get insufferable when they win the world tiddlywinks competition. And if someone else
117 Post contains images WunalaYann : I know. And let us not forget my other countrymen... All in all it is a miracle I have not turned into a Gkir... I meant, a hooligan. At the moment A
118 Pzurita1 : Well, I guess our only real chances in the WRC is against US and Tonga. Would be sweet to defeat England or South Africa, but I do not see that coming
119 ZKSUJ : Just remember the scare you gave England in 2003 man. And they were the champions. A bit more discipline and accurace, you guys MAY put up a good fig
120 Banco : Oh, without doubt. Martin Johnson said afterwards that Samoa really should have beaten England, that the players were that worried as the game unfold
121 VHVXB : Thats why we have a team named the Pacific Islanders which comprise teams that you mention apart from New Zealand
122 Post contains images Andz : I think right now we would be happy to win an egg cup
123 Post contains images Banco : Yes, but that's bugger all use because the tossers in charge at SANZAR won't invite them (or Argentina) into the Tri-Nations. It's like having the We
124 ZKSUJ : NZ 33 - SA 6 Apart from the last 11 minutes, an overall unconvincing win for the Blacks. The Boks played and defended particularily well though
125 Post contains images WunalaYann : Golden rule n°1 regarding pro sport in Oz/SA/NZ: when in doubt, always blame Murdoch. There is a very high chance he will deserve it, no matter what
126 Post contains links ZKSUJ : All Blacks to play the Wallabies in Hong Kong, 2008. Will be good for the game internationally I guess. Although being at the end of the year we don't
127 VHVXB : Hopefully Robbie Deans will be coaching the Wallabies by 2008 Can't believe it took them that long to score not to mention it was done when the Boks
128 ZKSUJ : I know. So many missed opportunities. If thoses boys actually caught the ball the score may well have been at least double. (we bombed 3 clear cut tr
129 VHVXB : Some good news for the Wallabies Chris Latham is back in the starting line up
130 ZKSUJ : Well the All Blacks beat the Wallabies. A better performance by the men in black. The Guys in gold didn't play to badly either
131 VHVXB : Much better than previous peformances. Well Done to them failed to capitalise with all the possession they had in the 1st half
132 Spinaltap : VHVXB, starting to agree with your comments regarding the All Blacks needing to look at their half-back, Brendon Leonard has been playing very well, h
133 ZKSUJ : I agree about Leonard. He showed it against all his test oppositions so far. Lets hope Carters from continues to improve for the RWC
134 Post contains links SpinalTap : NZ world cup squad announced: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4135979a10.html Weepu and Flavell left out - Andy Ellis and Sione Lauaki in, place being left ope
135 Post contains images WunalaYann : ...the big choke looms large on the horizon... Let's hope and pray this time they win it so we can move on. I am getting tired of this slightly biase
136 VHVXB : disappointed that Weepu was left out though I can't say the same for Flavell.
137 QFFlyer : I am slightly tired of the Aussie inability to loose gracefully. It is never the better team that wins, it is the ref that causes them to loose. Ther
138 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Yeah, one lat night cost us a run away try Whats the story with the french accusing Stuart Dickinson of bias towards the ABs, any developments on tha
139 QFFlyer : A point convienently missed by the Aussie press and supporters Cheers
140 VHVXB : Bernard Leporte apologised for the personal attacks but still wasn't happy with his overall performance
141 Post contains images WunalaYann : Er, who said I was an Aussie unable to lose gracefully? 1) I am French-Aussie, 2) I am an All Blacks supporter, and 3) I can see biased refereeing wh
142 QFFlyer : I can understand if you said poor decisions, but 'biased' is another matter. No one complains about referees being "biased" when the decisions go aga
143 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I wouldn't call it biased. I mean the Ozzies did win the game before hand remember On a serious note, I agree with QFFlyer when he says we have been
144 VHVXB : There are rumours flying around that he may switch to rugby league because of this snub. Anyway lets see if the All Blacks can pull off the trifecta
145 Post contains images WunalaYann : I am sure some English or French union side will come up with an offer he will not refuse. In any case, a great pickup for any side/code that snatche
146 Post contains images Banco : Exactly. I mean, next you'll have the Australian Prime Minister grumpily throwing the World Cup at the new champions, and that would never happen, su
147 Post contains images WunalaYann : Exactly. I mean, just like the English cricket team would never fail to show up for the remaining games after taking a hammering in game 2 of the Ash
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