WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 23 Posted (8 years 9 hours ago) and read 2721 times:
The series of meaningless games continues. Stone-handed All Blacks lose to the Wallabies, the Springboks send a C side to Australia, etc. And those same three teams were criticising northern hemisphere teams for fielding nonsense teams during the summer/winter tours...
Is there any point in watching the rest of the Tri Nations championship? Is it worth even playing them?
WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
Now if we could get some answers, or at least possible courses of action to remedy the current situation, that would be great. Not that Millar or Lapasset would give a monkey's, but constructive discussion remains a good way to promote ideas.
Hey, not my fault if half of the Pumas play for Stade Français...
World Cup soon - i think the real competition is how quickly they can get knocked out.
To be honest, England is my darkhorse. I think they are very underrated. If Wilkinson is healthy, they have a couple of blokes in the back who can make a difference. The forward pack will be rock-solid as usual so they have the ingredients to make a good run: less pressure, element of surprise and fundamentally sound team.
I say the semi-finals are definitely doable, and a 3rd place finish would probably be within reach.
Cheer up, overall I think England is better than Australia and South Africa.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4): A very poor game by both teams and it eventually cost one team in the end. What surprised me the most was the All Blacks inability to score any points in the second half.
The trademark of two teams still looking for chemistry and combinations. And the All Blacks had to lose a game at some stage. But I definitely agree with you, a poor outing on both sides. And the fans did not make a mistake. 21,000 short of capacity at the G. Shameful.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4): The Boks intentions are elsewhere the World Cup
In which case they urgently need to find themselves halves and three quarters who can actually finish a 4-on-2. Hopeless. They probably have the best tight five in the game but that is not enough anymore.
Should I mention France or do we agree not to shoot at an ambulance?
Freckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7): If Wilkinson is healthy, they have a couple of blokes in the back who can make a difference.
Yes, he will be good for about 10 minutes, and then the cleverer teams will just knock him down again as they know that he's the ticket to getting points on the board for England - because he can score penalties/conversions and even though they are 3 points, i've seen teams win on penalties alone. As soon as he's injured, I think that they'll go downhill. In a more optimistic view, i think he probably could do pretty well for England as long as he is fit and up to his normal hard hitting tackles standard.
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7): Cheer up, overall I think England is better than Australia and South Africa.
I disagree - if you look at their record then it's pretty obvious what England are capable of.
But i suppose we'll see - you never know it might not be as bad as some of us think.
Quoting Freckles (Reply 10): e probably could do pretty well for England as long as he is fit and up to his normal hard hitting tackles standard.
Honestly, I think this is exactly what he should NOT do. His heavy tackles are the reason why his shoulders are begging for mercy. Come to think of it, he is only 27 and has had as much surgery as Michael Jackson. Wilkinson does not need to tackle so hard. Lewis Moody and Mike Tindall are there to do just that. Spare him, let him play is passing and kicking game and things should be fine.
Quoting Freckles (Reply 10): I disagree - if you look at their record then it's pretty obvious what England are capable of.
Good point. Though if you go by records then the All Blacks should have won every World Cup, except maybe '91. Yet they have won "only" one and been to "only" two Finals. As opposed to the Wallabies who, with a definitely less brilliant record, have won two and been to three Finals.
It is about being ready when it matters, just like England was in '03. Again, I am not saying England will win. I do not think they will. But I think they are vastly overlooked and will make some noise. They have a super tough draw (SA and Samoa) which means they will be going full steam when/if they reach the Quarterfinals.
And again, it is just a personal opinion. Hey, when an French-Australian gives support to England you should take it and run away with it .
Freckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 hours ago) and read 2661 times:
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11):
It is about being ready when it matters, just like England was in '03. Again, I am not saying England will win.
Ah that was a brilliant world cup for them - enjoyable to watch too, some good rugby. I don't think they will win, but hopefully i guess if they can perk up their game, and prepare themselves they should get somewhere - I think AUS will.
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11): And again, it is just a personal opinion. Hey, when an French-Australian gives support to England you should take it and run away with it silly .
I don't hahahaha ! And no worries about a sexist comment because i make it all the time, it's meant to be a sport for men, not that i mind women playing. My brother plays and has since '97 or so, so i've been on tours etc with him and i used to go to every match.
I wouldn't say closely, and i barely follow club rugby. I used to have a fascination (whether it was for his rugby or the way he looks ) with Wilko in '03 when there was a lot of hype so i followed Newcastle but i've never seen him play. I only follow it if i can be bothered in truth.. but i know a fair amount about it!!
Haha !! I suppose i did have a crush on him, and there wasn't a whole scrapbook of pictures of him Oh well, old times i suppose. I've lost respect for him though, don't know why but i'm not as about him anymore.
Lost his young good looks haha.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 hour ago) and read 2642 times:
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13): You seem to know a lot about rugby. And no, I will not indulge into a classic sexist comment such as "for a girl".
Plenty of women at rugby matches, you know. Besides, let's be honest about one thing; when the referee blows up for a penalty in the scrum, a novice in the stands has as much of a clue as to why as an expert, male or female! The most frequently heard conversation in every ground is "What was that for?", "Dunno, mate" or French, Spanish, Italian, Afrikaans variations on the same thing.
Anyway, I'm married to someone who yelled "Come on England, this lot are shit!" amongst 70,000 Welshmen at the Millennium stadium in Cardiff.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7161 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years ago) and read 2617 times:
Let me be the first to admit that NZ could not get the basics right on Saturday night, with our handling errors and penalty count we deserved to loose. In my opinion, if we judge games by the whole 80 minute performance NZ should not have won against South Africa as well. The games against Canada and France were frustrating to watch as a spectator as in every single game this year, we have managed to throw away 2-3 try scoring opportunities (at least) per game because someone in our team cannot catch the ball when it counts.
The All Blacks against Australia were static and backwards. They did not understand the concept of kicking the ball into the oppositions half for territorial advantage. Instead, they constantly tried to run it out from their own half and handling errors gave away possesion. The Wallabies defence was great, For much of the game the All Blacks did not make the advantage line, but yet instead of kicking the ball to turn the Ozzies around we chose to run the ball (again).
The loss is a great wake up call for NZ. It shows us that we are human and that we cannot just win a game by turning up. It is a good reality check for a sometimes overconfident team and public. I just hope we learn from this and don't become cocky before our world cup games (i.e 1999 was the worst)
I'm sick of hearing the captain say "the boys played well" week in and week out when the stats show an average of 15 handling errors in each game on average.
Yes, NZ is going through a phase where our best number 13's seem to be injured, but coughing up tries bacause we can't catch is no excuse. And this sort of error count WILL loose us close games when it counts. I hope the NZ team wake up and get back and execute the basics. Because we all know that when all of the NZ guys come out to play with minimal erros and a fully fit team, we are very hard to beat indeed.
Rant Over, and that being said, Go th All blacks in the RWC
That being said, NZ also need to nail their shots at goal. Carter's kicking form has not been the best as of late. I hope this changes soon.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4): What surprised me the most was the All Blacks inability to score any points in the second half.
It didnt suprise me, we played crap. Absolute crap. You guys deserved to win hands down and well done to Mortlock and his men
Quoting Banco (Reply 6): The All Blacks are bound to start practising for their main choke in about three months time
I speak for everyone in this country. I freakin hope not thiis time around. It's been like 4 in a row now...
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 16): Do you know that the world record for attendance at a rugby game is held by the MCG?
I thought it was at Stadium Australia in 2000. NZ vs Australia, I remember that game, Jonah Lomu went in 3 minutes from full time to win us the game. The crowd was 109,000 + if I remember correctly (very close to 110,000)
: Hahahaa, oh dear. I'm a woman - and i've had my fair share of embarrassing yelling at rugby matches - but that is something i would've loved to see.
: The All Blacks played very averagely in the weekend, still lots of handling errors, Daniel Carter still isn't up to his best, his goal kicking was bel
: Any more euphemisms for "We've been stuffed" you want to trot out?
: The 1st Irishman to post in a thread about rugby!!!!! Anyway I have a feeling France will do it the home advantage is a huge boost and for some reason
: I think if you read both our posts you know its what we mean We were beaten fair and square, the result you expect when you play lethargicly
: Probably. Their aim has to be to just get that far and see what happens. After all, Australia weren't great last time around and they got to the fina
: You right. Jonah's tried occured in injury time which one the game for the ABs World record crowd in rugby union - 109,874 Bledisloe Cup 2000 http://
: I see your point and yes come to think about it thats what it means. But I wouldn't say they (Oz) are crap. They are like the Boks and the French, th
: Oh, not always! Only in 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003.... Besides, it's always entertaining waiting for the new excuse. The team being poisoned is the best
: Scrum half is one that needs to be looked at IMO Your not the only but then again who is a good enough replacement? Isn't that the excuse the English
: The one we won? Hmm. It might explain how on earth Australia were still in it after 100 minutes against a vastly superior side.
: lol, no not that. I was talking about the general decline of English rugby after the win.
: Very true that mate, very true..... Perfect example is the recent match with France, we tought we had it won and lose posession then we froze we didn
: Do you think Weepu is better than Kelleher? We have to give Evans of McAlister a go at 1st five, Dan Carter should spend the time practicing goal kic
: Well for a start, I personally think that leaving Mils at 13 and bringing Evans into 15 would have been a better option. It gives us a platform at le
: I was getting desperate to read Smith's name on someone's list. Yes, I think Conrad Smith is a very good alternative to Aaron Mauger. Though I would
: Yes we saw that on England's recent tour here...
: Whilst I would query whether England are better than either of those, you can't remotely use that tour of the England 4th XV as justification. Hell,
: hahaha This RWC is a four horse race, the tri-nations teams and France. Beyond that there does not appear to be a tremendous amount of strength comin
: Thre is no "remarks" column on the trophy!
: I agree with that, hence this thread. Remember that during the 2003 Tri Nations, the All Blacks demolished the Springboks by 40 points in PRETORIA!!
: You are getting me very confused, please speak NZ rugby Mauger is what we in NZ would call a 2nd 5/8 (No 12, what others call an "inside centre") In
: Fine, we will go by numbers, then. Smith can play both 12 and 13. What I was thinking about was something along the lines of Mauger/Toeava or Smith/No
: Er...yes. That's in the World Cup though, not a tinpot tour where England have 50 (fifty!!) players unavailable. We call them centres.
: Yes I do I would throw Ireland into mix as well. They have quite a competitive team Speaking of Tri Nations Australia's greatest ever 9 and 10 (Grega
: It's also foolish to rule out an England side that did, after all, beat France in their most recent game. Australia were no-hopers in 2003, and went
: If your ruling out Ireland then you need to sit down and watch the 6 nations again pal, We destroyed Italy, England and Wales (to an extent) we had F
: Besides, they'd no doubt deliberately take out O'Driscoll in the first minute of the match. Oh, silly me, of course they wouldn't. What kind of team
: Man, you Brits like rubbing things in don't you As for the RWC, I hope NZ learns their lesson of 2003 and 1999 that we aern't invinsible. i.e we stil
: Never has a smiley been more appropriately used. Er, ever heard of Farr-Jones and Lynagh? Join the club. I think Weepu is more unselfish than Kellehe
: The one good thing about Rugby is that such nonsense as an anti-football strategy does not pay off. In football such awful play (to watch), like Gree
: Ireland are in good form but I don't see the same depth in their team as I do in some of the others and this is a huge issue in tournaments with shor
: What? And depriving a.net of its one and only purpose? Are you insane?
: Oh, don't get me wrong, I can't see it either! It's just that writing off any of the bigger sides is a pretty silly thing to do. To take England as a
: and his creativity keeps players guessing as well. You watch Australian rugby will capitulate after the world cup with retirement of Larkham
: Hope so, poncy Irish tosser I think the result the other day against the Aussies is important, but not overly concerning unless they do it again... T
: Ah, if anyone fancied England, their odds wouldn't be great, now would they?
: Fair play, O'Gara is a good kicker, but not better than the ones listed, I mean come on!!!! One of the best maybe, but there are other world class ki
: This is true, The above on thier day can kick anything as can O'Gara. When you get to a level as high as these lads are then the margin of difference
: I don't have high hopes for the world cup. But if you look at the history, Australia wins ever second world cup, so we're due a win in 2007
: I wonder how some of the smaller teams will do this year. Japan played very well at the last world cup, would be nice to see some of the 'minows' give
: Well, it would be, but uinfortunately the IRB are completely useless at promoting the game beyond the strongholds. Witness the opportunity to hold a W
: I heard about that, but no publicity about that over here. I'm interested to know what actually happened. Can you fill us in? Also heard a roumer abo
: There were all sorts of rumours about deals being done between the major nations, back scratching and so forth. Put it this way, after the vote, ther
: This is very true for the Mens game but they are fairly effective when it comes to promotion of the Ladies game. I completely agree with you on this,
: What.....no trash talk in a sports thread???......What sort of crazy place is this???!!!
: Exactly. If Australia isn't slagging off the All Blacks and New Zealand aren't slagging off the Wallabies there is something wrong.
: And don't even get me started on the poms!!!
: One of the truest statements I have ever read on this forum. Maybe. But it is never too late to do good. Even if it is for the wrong reasons.The fact
: Yeah true that its all part of sports but theres a time and place for it and this isnt it, I could easily start having a go at England simply cause t
: Hang on a minute! It's the bloody Kiwi who's slagging you off, why have a go at us?
: Im not havin a go at anyone, I was using England as an example simply because your our biggest rivals, I could just say Wales or France either, it wa
: No offence taken - it was only a joke. I'm actually a bit disappointed though. Having a New Zealander talking about Irish tossers the least I would ha