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SS United States' Future In Doubt  
User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Good article in USA Today on this old liner....
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-states_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

It's very sad to see this ship in that condition. She's just a shell of her former self, much like the Queen Mary.
But isn't the SS United States on the National Register of Historic Places? If that were the case, she must be preserved. But I simply do not know. Hopefully NCL can turn things around & save her, even if it were just an dockside attraction. Wonder if the Mary needs a neighbour for company.....



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

I really doubt NCL will restore her,now. The company lost over a $100 mill last year,and it is estimated to cost $500 mill to re-do the US. I don't know if her being on the National Register matters,but... I think she'll be towed to Alang (which would cost a fortune and would is it structurally sound to make the journey) to be cut up. She was already towed to Turkey and back to get the abspestos removed.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

I have to agreed with you, United Fan. If she has to go, let her be deep-sixed. I rather see this beautiful ship sunk than be cut up for scrap. Let the US Navy put her down next to the USS America. Just my 2 cent worth.
Regards.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

They ought to do a live-fire on her.

The heavy use of aluminum in the construction of the SS America would make an interesting case study of how small of a warhead would you need to damage the ship, ignite the aluminum and burn up the ship.

Oddly enough, the designers were extremely paranoid about fire, and built the ship with practically NO wood on the entire hull. No wooden structural pieces. No wooden furniture. No wood. Anywhere.

Yet they used aluminum. Had the ship been carrying troops during a war (as it was intended) and was bombed, shelled or torpedoed... I wonder how the aluminum would have effected the damage control efforts? Might have even been WORSE than having wood on board.

-UH60

[Edited 2007-07-03 17:36:16]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1491 times:
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While I would hold out some hope for a restoration, every year she sits dockside puts that deeper into doubt. She's not really going to be a well founded ship for modern cruising, and the expense of restoring her with complete furnishings and modern electronics/control gear is daunting....you could build a nice new cruiseliner with more capacity for that money.

I'd say her best bet is being turned into a dockside hotel, but even that is not really likely.... if it does come down to having to DX her then I agree that turning her into a reef is much better than scrapping her. Let her live again in the sea.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 3):
Let the US Navy put her down next to the USS America

The America broke apart off the coast of Africa when it broke free from a tow in a storm.



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Had a chance to be up close to that ship earlier this year, when picking up at the docks where this ship is stored. Its a complete mess.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 7):
Its a complete mess.

It has not been painted in fifty years and wearing the expected surface coat of rust in many places including where the anchor chain drags the bow. Reportedly it is structurally sound. Hell, everything in Philly is rusted!

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 2):
I don't know if her being on the National Register matters,but...

Not bloody much! Check out the Mapes Hotel.
http://www.newtoreno.com/mapeshotel.htm
Reno can brag about being the only place in the US to dynamite a place on the NR just to leave it a weed-choked vacant lot for five years. But yippee! It's now an ice rink in the desert - in global warming!

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
They ought to do a live-fire on her.

I'd have expected better from you.


In any event, if I wanted a last look at "the big-U" I wouldn't wait too long. She'll probably be razor blades before this thread drops into the archives. BTW Philly is home to another monument to the disappearing industrial might of America. The site of the Baldwin Locomotive Works, Eddystone Plant is now a Walmart.

Gotta love progress some times.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

United Fan...not that particular SS America. The USS America, CVA-66, an aircraft carrier that the Navy sunk deep in the Atlantic 2 years ago.


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User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
The heavy use of aluminum in the construction of the SS America would make an interesting case study of how small of a warhead would you need to damage the ship, ignite the aluminum and burn up the ship.

A ship that size would need a few large warheads. To see what a warhead would do to an aluminum superstructure, just look at the USS Stark FFG-31.

I think they should make her a reef. But if not then have a sink-ex. The ship is too good for the scrappers torch.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1399 times:
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Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 10):
To see what a warhead would do to an aluminum superstructure, just look at the USS Stark FFG-31.

Even worse take a look at the HMS Sheffield after the excocet hit in the Falklands War.



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User currently offlineRobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

It is a shame that she is in such a condition. Obviously, cost is an issue with restoration etc. However, as a national US icon (She did hold the Blue Ribband after all) you would think some investors would see an opportunity to preserve the history.

Just my 2p from the UK
Rob



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
But isn't the SS United States on the National Register of Historic Places?

Doesn't make any legal difference. All the National Register does is require the owner to maintain the vessel or structure-specifically if they wish to be eligible for historic preservation grants. If they want to demolish the structure, they're perfectly free to do so. If it were a National Historic Landmark, then the landmark must be preserved and cannot be significantly altered or destroyed.

In Chattanooga, Tennessee the old Union Depot was listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The head house dated to 1882 but portions of the train shed in the rear dated back to before the Civil War (1854). In the early 1970s, the Louisville and Nashville Railroad and the State of Georgia wanted to sell the structure due to the termination of passenger service. There were a number of Chattanoogans who wanted to preserve the building as either a library or museum. Instead, the State refused to allow the preservationists any significant amount of time to act and sold the building to the Stone Fort Land Company. They immediately announced plans to redevelope the site as a combination of private offices and a public library building. By the mid-1970s, the historic depot was gone-no historic survey or examination was made prior to demolition.



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