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Do We Want The Euro In The UK: 2007  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Do We Want The Euro In The UK? (by CON207 Jan 12 2004 in Non Aviation)

Well, it's been a few years since the infamous monster created by CON207.
About time we had a new discussion about the benefits or lack of benefits if the UK (combined, or individually - but thats for another thread) was to adopt the Euro.

Of course, within 4 posts this thread will become completely off-topic, and the likes of flooding random countries, taking the mickey out of the French and Germans and discussing fine cuisine will become the norm.
Oh, and also discussions about the monarchy which should lure QFF to this thread where he may become ridiculed for no reason whatsover  Wink

That thread also seen the beginning of a long and tireless campaign to get the Scottish flag in our a.net profiles. A fight which we won due to our restless, fierce campaigning. Something the Administrator saw and was hugely impressed by.

That being said, if the regulars from that infamous thread in 2003/2004 are still about, welcome back  Wink
Andreas
Klaus
Racko
NoUFO
MD11Engineer
And the rest of the German Orcs  duck 
Banco
Arsenal@LHR
Paulc

And anyone else who was onboard that epic journey. Unfortunately, I believe Kaz is no longer a member of these boards so we have lost at least 1 regular contributor.
 wave 


Sabena332 is not welcome in this thread due to the fact that he locked us out last time.  gnasher 

So, here we go  crazy 


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Yes, here we go... agaaaiiin...

Wait. Hang on. Who said the EuroGroup wanted the Brits in it anyway?  duck 

You'd better start with the beginning, young fellow, and make sure that the pre-required criteria are fulfilled before you launch in your bashing endeavour.

 Smile


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 1):
You'd better start with the beginning, young fellow, and make sure that the pre-required criteria are fulfilled before you launch in your bashing endeavour.

Yes.  Wink

Andreas recently had a picture taken of him:



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):

 biggrin 

Do you think you can paint him in blue with yellow stars (aka the EU flag, just to be sure we're on the same page)?

 Wink


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 3):
Do you think you can paint him in blue with yellow stars (aka the EU flag, just to be sure we're on the same page)?

No.  Wink
Someone else can try that  Wink



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):

Of course, within 4 posts this thread will become completely off-topic,

It was off topic within one post. Were you being optimistic?

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
That thread also seen the beginning of a long and tireless campaign to get the Scottish flag in our a.net profiles. A fight which we won due to our restless, fierce campaigning. Something the Administrator saw and was hugely impressed by.

The rest of us call it 'whinge and win'


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
It was off topic within one post. Were you being optimistic?

Am I not always optimistic?

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
The rest of us call it 'whinge and win'

Aah bless  Wink



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Am I not always optimistic?

Artistically yet sometimes desperately so.  Wink


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Goodness. Well, let's see. Would the UK weigh more if the euros were thrown in the air? What if Brits payed euros using treadmills, would the euros take off? Can the progress of the euro be tracked with a snow globe? Is the euro cool? Why does one part of the euro stick out further than the rest? Must be some kind of optical illusion? No, yes, no, yes, no, etc. Can you get around the privacy settings for the euro? Any Chinese Euros? Will they work without the contribution of ANCflyer? Will the mafia control the Euro? Will it be constructed with super thread?

oh and this idea is a sheepishly baaaaaaaad idea.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

most people (not governments, people...) inside the Euro zone want to get rid of the darn thing and have ever since its unholy inception.

I wonder why politicians outside the zone still think it's a good idea (or rather why they're still able to convince their electorate that it's a good idea, it's clear why the politicians think it's a good idea, the increased tax revenue makes for fatter Swiss bank accounts for themselves).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 8):
this idea is a sheepishly baaaaaaaad idea

Why do you mention sheep? Why? WHY?  Wink Isn't it a lovely Sunday? Why ruin it?


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 10):
Why do you mention sheep? Why? WHY?  Wink Isn't it a lovely Sunday? Why ruin it?

BAAAAH!!!! I mean shoot. You're right of course. Hope nobody had a cow.

ƒ Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
BAAAAH!!!! I mean shoot. You're right of course. Hope nobody had a cow.




When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

In short, no, I personally do not want the Euro in the UK. I believe we are fine as we are with the pound and there is not a huge need to change, we are not the only country in Europe not to have the Euro and personally speaking, I think if we had wanted to change to the Euro, it would have happened a few years back when most other countries joined the bandwagon.

Wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 9):
most people (not governments, people...) inside the Euro zone want to get rid of the darn thing and have ever since its unholy inception.

If you define "most people" as some nationalists who never travel abroad, then yes, I'd agree with you. Flame me all you want, but that's the reality.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12):

What a moooving picture.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 14):
If you define "most people" as some nationalists who never travel abroad, then yes, I'd agree with you. Flame me all you want, but that's the reality.

Might as well flame me, because I couldn't agree more with you! Most people who look at the complete picture (travelling abroad, seeing the position of the Euro in the world economy) seem to like the euro. The US dollar was (and is) the world currency, but the Euro (and Yuan once it's revaluated) is on the rise!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Just for the Germans  Wink



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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):

Better question would be, do we want the UK in the EU, from the moment they joined they didn't contribute any significant or constructive proposal to makes things better in the EU.
The UK seems to be only in not to be out, if they don't really want in they should be allowed to leave the EU and stop "sabotaging" progress and get some bilateral treaty instead (not much unlike Switzerland) maybe it would turn out to be better for all involved parties.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Way to go, Kirkie!  bigthumbsup 

Ah... the nostalgia...!  cool 

Not wanting to shy away from the full range of topics to be discussed, I'll still address the core topic first:

The €uro is by now an increasingly solidified reality, and apart from the kind of peripheral grumbling you'll have about anything at any time, it is accepted and few very would actually abandon its undeniable benefits for a resurrection of the fractured and very often problematic monetary past.

Any currency has always been man-made and artificial, and people simply get used to it after a while after initially complaining and feeling estranged.

Britain has so far resorted to an extreme stance of cherry-picking with regard to the European Union: Exploit the common market but don't participate in any way in the development of the union which is necessary to actually make this common market work. At the same time shedding industry like there's no tomorrow and ever more specializing in and increasing the dependence on financial services and related branches.

Risky strategies like that (involving, among others, unconditional support for large-scale financial gambling in hedge fonds and other instruments) heavily depend on outside factors, and as soon as those stop being favourable, there will be no buffer left if there is no substantial diversification any more.

Well, there still is that buffer: The European Union which is then clearly supposed to pick up the tab when the gamble will ultimately backfire. And that is primarily a when question, not so much one of if, even if the winning streak appears to be holding - for now.

The Euro is only one of many aspects in this matter; In truth it is about finding a sustainable strategy for Britain that doesn't depend on external bailouts as soon as the increasingly fragile financial system runs into trouble. And that fragility is in part a result of Britain's and the USA's unwillingness to put reasonable regulations in place to keep the risks even halfway in check, as evidenced at the recent G8 summit. Raising and raising the stakes with less and less substance to back them up doesn't look like a very good idea to me.

The Euro is not a magic remedy, but it's an instrument in a very different strategy which counts on substantial growth instead of basically running a gambling casino. And I think the strategy is what is in question, the fate of the pound is a marginal issue by comparison.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 18):
Better question would be, do we want the UK in the EU, from the moment they joined they didn't contribute any significant or constructive proposal to makes things better in the EU.
The UK seems to be only in not to be out, if they don't really want in they should be allowed to leave the EU and stop "sabotaging" progress and get some bilateral treaty instead (not much unlike Switzerland) maybe it would turn out to be better for all involved parties.

You make some good points there.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):

Still not respecting anyone you  old  git?  Wink



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 18):
The UK seems to be only in not to be out, if they don't really want in they should be allowed to leave the EU

They are allowed to leave, of course! The new constitution treaty just makes that clearer.

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 18):
and stop "sabotaging" progress and get some bilateral treaty instead (not much unlike Switzerland)

Ironically, Switzerland is working more constructively with the EU than Britain is...  mischievous 

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 18):
maybe it would turn out to be better for all involved parties.

Could be. The britons would still remain in need of a viable long-term strategy, however...


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

One thing the € gave us is capital volume, nowadays it is much more unlikely that large speculators (George Soros and others) speculate against the € like they did against the French Franc and other currencies back in the non€ days.
Also the strong position from the € against the almighty $ has made the whole EU region much less victim of the high oil and other resource prices since most of them are traded in $ value.
For Airbus on the other hand it is not always beneficial but hey, you can't have it all.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
Still not respecting anyone you  old  git?

Just not handing out special favours, as always!  cool 


User currently offlineAviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):

Ironically, Switzerland is working more constructively with the EU than Britain is...

Being surrounded by EU member states (except for Lichtenstein), we don't really have much of a choice  Wink


25 Post contains images Klaus : Yes, you do... you can decide whether or not you want to have a vote about what you're executing anyway...!
26 ArniePie : Having worked for a Swiss company back in the days I can tell that their politicians, mayor banks and industries where not happy when the Swiss voted
27 Post contains images Klaus : In Poland the population is intensely europhile as far as I know, the crazy twins notwithstanding. But I could certainly live with the twins leaving
28 Post contains images StrasserB :
29 Post contains images GLAGAZ : Nah we don't need to Euro. The pound is the daddy of all currency just now Gaz
30 ArniePie : That could be but then these Europhile Polish citizens should reflect that in their vote and seeing the acts of their politicians it seems like they
31 ExFATboy : Look at this from another perspective: the UK signed up for the "Common Market", a free-trade zone, not a political union with "legal personalities",
32 ArniePie : Your statement implies that the UK never knew that the EU was headed for a very deep going union under EU flag, that however is not entirely true, ev
33 Pelican : To repeat a myth over and over again doesn't make it true. In 1973 the EC was already more than just a trade organisation. In fact the EC was never m
34 Post contains images OHLHD : I do not think that the Euro is needed in Britain. Filler filler filler whatever
35 Post contains images Rammstein : Not a good idea, IMHO. British people are very attached to traditions, legacy and old customs (even metrication is impossible...). Every type of chan
36 Post contains images Farcry : Do we need/want/admire the Euro? No, No and No. Gadzooks people! We're British! When I saw the term 'Common Market' I thought 'Ello'! We isn't commun
37 F.pier : Italy is IN Eurozone and I'm very happy of it. I would never accept to have ITL back, it would be a nightmare. Probably being one of the 6 EU founders
38 Post contains images Farcry : But F.pier, you love us really
39 ArniePie : Good post LOL. so well in the past? do you mean the 50's ,60's or 70's, the time all great British manufacturers perished: -motoring and car industry
40 VC10 : I am afraid that the EU is perceived by many people in the UK as a club run by Germany and France for the long term benefit of those two nations. When
41 MD11Engineer : Talking to our numerous Polish cabin crew, I have a similar impression. The twins use fear sceanarios ("If we are not carefull ze Germans vill just i
42 Halls120 : What "reasonable regulations" are the UK and US blocking?
43 Farcry : Aah ArniePie. Good reply. But, I was born in 1947 soo... 50's, started school and was protected by the 'system' 60's, left school, 2 jobs then joined
44 Klaus : Easy getting the impression that others are running the show when oneself is just standing at the sidelines sulking. The European Union is a team eff
45 Pelican : You know that is one of many problems. How can Germany or France be more influential in Europe than the UK. Are those nations that much more powerful
46 Post contains images Klaus : Same here. Although the new changes to the EU do at last strengthen then parliament's influence. The only proper long-term perspective would be a Eur
47 Klaus : Which again shows that political capital can be spent but once - and it should be spent wisely, especially with regard to the long-term development.
48 Post contains images Farcry : Well Pelican and Klaus. How many years was it before (condescendingly) De Gaulle stopped saying 'Non' to the UK entering the CM? Hmmm! No power there
49 MD11Engineer : Then you'll have to accept that on the continent we tend go foward to a more integrating EU, not just a common market. Jan
50 VC10 : I was about to congratulate you on such a sensible reply [posting 19] ,but since the comment above I think I will not bother , as you have no idea wh
51 Zak : the euro is a matter of percieved integration. it is always very very nice to have currency and prices in something you are inherently used to. it giv
52 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Another one of the old regulars back Welcome back, Zak, long time, no see! Jan
53 Post contains images Zak : thanks was/am travelling around alot with no internet. now im back home more often, hence i can troll a.net again
54 Farcry : Got to go now folks. I have a date with a superb meal (hopefully) with wine (and a pint or two hopefully). Will catch up with you all later. Take care
55 Post contains links Halls120 : Interesting. I did a little research, and found that it wasn't just "Blair and Bush" that "blocked progress" on hedge fund regulation. http://www.g7.
56 Post contains images Egmcman : VC10 has covered the subject well. Popular belief is the countries originally signed to the € need the UK as we have one of the most successful eco
57 Pelican : Oh I have not. The point is you and many of your fellow countrymen interpret every step made by the EU or France and Germany in the worst possible wa
58 Post contains images CON207 : Three and half years since I became famous eh?? OMG... What memories of that thread being hijacked by Kirkie.. Andreas.. Klaus and the others . It got
59 ArniePie : Just to make it clear, personally I'm no supporter of a big Unisausage EU in a US style, meaning one big superstate with a centralized government and
60 Pelican : Yes it is and both had the same role model in becoming independent - the German Bundesbank. pelican
61 VC10 : Pelican, There seems to be no pleasing you, as if we stay out or try to get in we are bad Europeans A little statement issued at the time by Mr Sorros
62 Gkirk : Stop hijacking this thread you damn European fools!
63 Post contains images VC10 : See what you have done Gkirk, there I was enjoying a quiet Sunday with no rain and then you go and resurrect this subject. However it is a change from
64 Post contains images Klaus : I was talking about the apparent source of (dis-)information in the british public at large (with the rest playing along); Since your claims are so f
65 Post contains images Gkirk : Well, hopefully this thread will go from strength to strength. Seems to have made a good start Now where are those 2 old tossers Andreas and Banco? Mi
66 VC10 : KLaus, when it gets to irrational shouting match it is time to bring the dicussion to an end. For having a different opinion read "obstruction " I thi
67 Klaus : You claimed that Britain joined a purely commercial free trade zone. That is just factually and verifiably false, even though it's a stock feature of
68 Pelican : I don't care whether you're good or bad Europeans. I just can't stand the 'blame the EU for everything crowd'. You still haven't said how France and
69 Halls120 : And you neglected to comment on this part of the article - "On May 9, 2007, the Financial Times reported that EU officials stated that contrary to th
70 SJCRRPAX : I am certain they do. When I was in the UK plenty of stores would take the Euro. They would ring up the purchase in English Pounds, and than I think t
71 Klaus : More or less... the DM hadn't been nearly as stable as people nowadays remember it. It had been yanked around pretty badly at times, with repercussio
72 Klaus : From your own quote (without having found detailed information myself) it appears that the other eurozone countries were behind the proposal. Which f
73 L410Turbolet : Maybe we should establish a rotating position of EU's Bad Guy. Poland and the UK could take turns for the time being. ...while every other country in
74 Klaus : In the german political debate the success of the entire European Union is indeed first and foremost, since the idea is that only a successful EU as
75 Pelican : It was sufficient. But I agree from an export perspective -which is very important for Germany - the Euro is very good thing. And herein lies the pro
76 Post contains images WunalaYann : That is a lot of good reasons for not joining, if you ask me... That from a Scot... Which does come as a big time contradiction with this: Well, it h
77 Paulc : Well maybe if the UK's original entry into the EEC was not vetoed by a big nosed frog we might be more inclined to be involved. We were only allowed i
78 Post contains images Klaus : The fiscal discipline enforced for Euro stability was very important either way. Without that, there is the risk that further deficit spending had on
79 Post contains links and images Gkirk :
80 Banco : Ohhhh, this one again! Marvellous! So many things to comment on, so where do I start? Well, firstly, the idea that Germany nobly puts the EU first and
81 Post contains images Gkirk : Knew you'd come up trumps old bean
82 Post contains images Klaus : You still wouldn't have needed to expose your passport photo, Kirkie - you're scaring the little children! I was already wondering when you'd show up
83 Post contains images WunalaYann : No, the UK was allowed in because de Gaulle had died and everybody else thought the UK was the closest there was in the Western world to a third worl
84 Post contains images Gkirk : How dare you say that about the motherland
85 Post contains images WunalaYann : Sorry, the words slipped out of my keyboard without notice...
86 Klaus : Over indeed - the recently agreed-upon changes to the EU structure will remove that blocking capability from most decisions. The Kazcinskys succeeded
87 ME AVN FAN : yes To have the Euro in most West European countries makes travelling easier, for instance when travelling between Basel and Strassburg you can cross
88 Post contains images Banco : Oh, spare me the holier than thou. It was based purely on guilt, nothing more. If you want to talk about those who spared you that chaos, war and des
89 Pelican : Laughable and not true at all. Another myth resulting from a lack of historical knowledge. Yes, de Gaulle vetoed the British access. But when did de
90 Post contains images WunalaYann : Agreed, but it depends on what you call "claiming sainthood". Maybe the settlers in North America were not claiming sainthood when they genocided the
91 Banco : That's true - though Churchill didn't envisage Britain being part of it, which is something often skipped over when people refer to that. It is true
92 Post contains images Gkirk : Pondering whether to go for a few pints or not
93 Post contains images NoUFO : Pffhh, am I the only one working today? The only one increasing the GDP ...? The only one strengthening the value of the Euro ...? (Oh, $hit I'm almos
94 Post contains images Pelican : And that is may point. Britain didn't want to be part of it from the beginning, and not because they got pissed about de Gaulle. Because after the wa
95 Banco : You need to separate things like the NHS from the heavy industry. Those were nationalised because there was simply no choice. The plants were exhaust
96 Pelican : May I ask what those economic support might have been? Welcome to post war Germany if you add much more damage through bombings and ground fighting a
97 Post contains images Gkirk : This will be post 97 in this topic
98 Gordonsmall : And this is post 98 ........ but it doesn't alter the fact that it's a pointless argument!
99 Post contains images Gkirk :
100 Post contains images Gkirk : And post 100
101 Post contains images Gordonsmall :
102 Myt332 : The highlight of your week no less.
103 Post contains images Gkirk :
104 Gordonsmall : Silence English boy! You have no place being concerned with the running of the UK now that a proper Scotsman is running the show!
105 Gkirk : To be more accurate: Silence Yorkshire thing!
106 Banco : American. In the immediate post-war era, when vast sums flowed in from the US, financial aid to Britain under Lend-Lease was cut off. It wasn't until
107 Post contains images Gordonsmall : Trust you to ruin a perfectly good attempt to hijack another of Kirkie's threads! Doesn't Mrs Banco have some DIY you could be doing? Or surely you c
108 Gkirk : What about his pet, JGPH1A?
109 Gordonsmall : One shouldn't polish one's pets ...........
110 Gkirk : Not even if it is an elephant?
111 Banco : Unfortunately, those posts of more than four words take a while to write - hence you'd been wittering for some time before I got to the hit post butt
112 Gordonsmall : Bloody hell, I thought Cornish may have gained a pound or two recently but .................
113 Post contains images Andreas : Why...thank you....though I still firmly believe (especially now, that my club is DEUTSCHER MEISTER YESSSSSSS!!!!), that flooding Scotland is a good
114 Myt332 : Kirkie don't flatter yourself. Gordon told me it's more like a mouse. Oh and shame on you Banco. My first attempt at thread hijacking in a while and
115 Post contains images Gordonsmall : There was a time you would simply have dictated to Cornish, oh how the mighty have fallen ...... I always said education spending would improve under
116 Pelican : I wonder how it fits in your picture that the UK was with 3.6 billion $ the biggest recipient of the European Recovery Plan while Germany got only 1.
117 Banco : Because Britain couldn't demobilise the armed forces, it had to remain a world power, and spread right around the world because of the new Soviet thr
118 Banco : Cornish was fired after he unaccountably stated that he wished to change from being an employee to being "ma bitch" or some such thing. I didn't unde
119 Gkirk : Latest reports about Cornish suggest he's set up camp (literally) with MYT332 and Pe@rson.
120 Banco : Papa-Pe@rson, Pe@rson and Petit-Pe@rson?
121 Myt332 : With you being Great Grand Papa-Pe@rson....
122 Post contains images Banco : Weak and predictable.... Are you related to Kirkie?
123 Post contains links Baroque : Might it not be that if the UK was a bit more engaged, the dominance of France and Germany would be less noticeable, might even be less. Hrrrmph. May
124 Banco : Treaty of Rome. I've transposed the two by accident.
125 Gkirk : Disgraceful considering you attended the inauguration of that treaty, as well as the treaty of versailles (!)
126 Post contains images Banco : Not remotely true. Or the reparations would have been against Scotland for inflicting you on us. Back into your cave, pre-historic beast!
127 Gordonsmall : We tried that, but you English said you didn't want him back!
128 Post contains images Gkirk :
129 Banco : Nice try, but Kirkie is resolutely Scottish. The bit that you should be terrified about is that he's so obviously proud about it, so there's clearly
130 Joni : It could be something worth considering, that Britain would drop out of the EU and split into separate and independent England, Scotland and Wales. T
131 Post contains images Gkirk :
132 MD11Engineer : Come on, be nice to Kirkie, or he'll start flooding Scotland again (while trying to flood England, France and Germany). Jan
133 Post contains images Gkirk : And this what happens to an MD11 after you've worked on it:
134 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Na, no, this is the result of yet another attempt of Kirkie to flood England. He only missed his target by about 10.000 km and the flooding ended up
135 Post contains images WunalaYann : Agreed, but don't tell that to QFF... True again though some nations tend to develop so many myths for so long that it sometimes becomes hard to sort
136 Gkirk : Handwashing JGPH1As thongs parachutes.
137 Post contains images WunalaYann : Something to do with strings, anyway...
138 L410Turbolet : Cuba and Venezuela under Chavez?
139 Post contains images WunalaYann : Of course, how stupid of me, I had forgotten about these two Gardens of Eden...
140 Post contains images NoUFO : Compared to Scotland, yes - definitely. Btw, First Minister Jack McConnell sounds a bit like First Tiger Hobbes, doesn't it?
141 Post contains images Banco : He certainly does now - he got voted out. Scottish elections are always a bit dodgy. When they're asked to a put a cross on a ballot paper half the p
142 NoUFO : Oh well, "world events" like this always escape me. Did he lose a fist fight or did they throw bottles (after emptying it, of course)? I ask, because
143 Banco : Ahhhhh, no-ooo, not exactly. You see, instead they voted in, well, no-one. So the SNP are a minority government and in charge now you've got Alex Sal
144 Post contains images NoUFO : Ah yes, Mr Salmond! As a subscriber of German weekly "Die Zeit" I once came across a report by Rainer Luyken, their correspondent in Britain. Both, Sa
145 Banco : Probably the only one that anyone south of the border would have half a chance of recognising I suspect! Apart from the "British" Scottish politician
146 David L : Actually, having seen the ballot papers, I reckon a lot of people thought they were putting the SNP down for a score draw.
147 Post contains images Gkirk : Aye, they're a bit daft
148 Post contains images WunalaYann : And where the hell is Patrick (Sabena332)??? I cannot believe he is so busy as to not contributing with his opinions on this touchy subject... Patrick
149 Post contains images Gkirk : And that's what his girlfriends all say as well
150 Post contains images WunalaYann : And what do they say about you? After all, if you are a traditional Scotsman, the, um, extent of your abilities is probably advertised before trial,
151 Banco : "No, I don't want a drink." "Leave me alone" "I wouldn't snog you if you were the last errrr...man...thing on earth" "Poliiiiiiiiiiiice!!!!" "The toi
152 Post contains images Gkirk :
153 Post contains images WunalaYann : It stinks to go out and to already know the script in advance, though... That itself should earn him a discount on the first drink.
154 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - No, he just waits to hear the date of the U.K. taking over the Euro and dropping the Pound Stirling ! -
155 Post contains images Andreas : Actually no, he's not: He's currently discussing the new jersey colours of German Bundesliga with a bunch of Bauern fans, just like little girls deba
156 Post contains images Gordonsmall : Pound STERLING! Stirling is a town 30 miles north of Glasgow, not a currency!
157 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : sorry, POUND STERLING of course is correct. However, can you tell me where the "name" STERLING came from originally ?
158 Banco : Oh, that's easy. A sterling was a silver penny, going back 800 years or so. A pound sterling was a pound of sterlings, which was equivalent to 240 of
159 ME AVN FAN : thanks for that explanation ! - I still remember how in 1971/72 a one-shilling piece was worth 5 pence, the 2 shilling piece 10 pence, and the six-pe
160 Post contains images Gkirk : So you were about 15 at the time then you fossil?
161 Post contains images Banco : Could be. The difference between me and you is that I gain wisdom as I get older. You just gain nasal hair.
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