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70 Year Old Woman Arrested For Not Watering Lawn  
User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1254 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=1444771

What strikes me as the underlying issue is its against the law for you to not water your own lawn? You don't have the right to do whatever you want to your own property?

Seriously, WTF?


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Many communities in the USA have laws requiring to keep your property reasonably maintained as to it's landscaping, property and building appearance and not for example operating a junkyard in your yard. Such laws exist to protect the quality of life and property values in the community or neighborhood. I would note that the police officer was excessive in his process and they have been put into the preliminary stages of the disciplinary process. Apparently this woman had a financial problem limiting her ability to pay for the water to keep her lawn in a reasonable level of maintenance and instead of arresting her, they should have arranged some help for her to afford the help she needed. Now we have a old woman frightened of the police.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7781 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting JakeOrion (Thread starter):
What strikes me as the underlying issue is its against the law for you to not water your own lawn? You don't have the right to do whatever you want to your own property?

In some communities there are standards that you need to maintain (in neighborhoods w/ homeowner's associations). Which usually means keeping your landscaping alive and such. But from the looks of her house I doubt she lives in one of those places.

So yeah, her yard looks like crap, and yes she could have put down some gravel or tear up the old turf.... either way it would look better than dead grass. But on the flipside isn't Utah in the midst of a drought.... (probably why her lawn is dead), so isn't she saving water by not putting it on her dead lawn???




Lastly... and on topic. Somehow I think the officer might have overreacted a tad, especially over a rather simple ticket. Perhaps waited for another officer to arrive to take the time to talk it out with the old lady.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Lawns have no place in Utah anyway. They should move to Xeroscaping, grow some of the native plants like cacti, ocotillos, etc.

I applaud the justice system on this one though. A great show of force.
Nice to see one law enforcement agency gets it right.


User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

It could very well be, if there are city ordinaces for maintaining your property then it could be against the law. My guess is she got several warnings first before the arrest, so no sympathy. The city that I grew up in Saratoga, California my parents got a complaint from the neighbors (via city hall) after my dads "airport car" (a 1978 Ford Pinto) got a little tired looking. The neighbors complained that the car devalued the neighborhood and made it look cheap.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 4):
The neighbors complained that the car devalued the neighborhood and made it look cheap.

Fcuk the neighbours!

Jan


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

" ... arrested for refusing to give a policeman her name when he tried writing her a ticket ... "

She wasn't arrested for failing to water the lawn, even though the article was incorrectly titled that way.

The lawn does look like a fire hazard!



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User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 6):

Correct.

However, police where I am from know how to handle situations involving older people, and this officer overreacted. The first step is to try to reason with the person. Attempting to handcuff the lady was over the line, and certainly not needed. I'm glad that the department saw this too, and acted accordingly.


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

The officer over-reacted, then scared and injured the woman. Dragging her to jail was not the action of a well trained officer. Hence his being sent home, and the disciplinary action being started. I'm glad the chief recognized that the officer was out of line.

Hopefully the legal settlement will be quick and reasonable. I would not want to put this case in front of a jury.



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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 7):
and this officer overreacted



Quoting Starrion (Reply 8):
The officer over-reacted, then scared and injured the woman

I totally agree. You'd think the policeman would have more confidence him himself, and less need to abuse his authority.



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User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 9):

Some people's kids, eh?  Wink And I also agree that the lawn would burn quite well. I doubt she lit firecrackers in it, that's for sure.


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Odd but in the Uk, when lawns look like that (due to weather) you'd get arrested if you DID water it....only in America eh?

Bush will be invading New Zealand next to get our water to ensure property values don't fall in the land of the free....good grief Snoopy!


User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 4):
The city that I grew up in Saratoga, California my parents got a complaint from the neighbors (via city hall) after my dads "airport car" (a 1978 Ford Pinto) got a little tired looking. The neighbors complained that the car devalued the neighborhood and made it look cheap.

That's becoming more and more of a problem in the U.S.; running to the authorities for the most insignificant crap instead of confronting the problems directly. Were they so afraid of your dad that they couldn't stop by and voice their concerns directly to him and not have to run to the city authorities?

Bunch of damn pu$$ies we're becoming.



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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1254 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 6):

Bah, should have titled it differently, but was on the tail end of my lunch break when I found the article.

And about the communities ordinance, I do see the sense and logic in it, even though I don't find it appealing. Oh well, majority > minority (supposedly.)



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Isn't the region where the woman lives a desert area anyway? So lawn would be totally out of place and a waste of water. IMO, the proper vegetation should be desert plants like cacti and other succulents.

Jan


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):


Isn't the region where the woman lives a desert area anyway? So lawn would be totally out of place and a waste of water. IMO, the proper vegetation should be desert plants like cacti and other succulents.

Bingo.
That's what I said in an earlier reply.
Lawns are an English thing. They look nice, but they are hardly worth putting the strain on the West's fragile water reserves.
Besides, a desert front yard thing is cool. My dad was big into that, so am I. It looks cool.
You'd be amazed what sorts of things could grow in that climate too. 6 ft. tall Chollas for example with stunning purple flowers.


User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Quoting Learpilot (Reply 12):
Were they so afraid of your dad that they couldn't stop by and voice their concerns directly to him and not have to run to the city authorities?

Because they knew he would tell them to go F**K themselves. After the complaint, he wound up buying a Toyota Celica, like 3 months later. The Pinto REALLY did die.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

I agree that the police overreacted...But this statement from her leaves me shaking my head. To me, this is an attempt to play up the situation to make her sound like she was beaten. She wasn't beaten. It sounds like she lost her balance:

Quote:
"Don't ever say no when the police tell you do to something. You better do what they tell you no matter what, even if you don't have anybody to help you. You've got to do what they tell you or they will hurt you."

I'm sorry...But to me this is over the top on her part. This whole thing is dumb, from the police, to her overreaction after being released from jail. She has every right to be upset she was arrested...But to make statements like the above is just over the top.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 16):
Quoting Learpilot (Reply 12):
Were they so afraid of your dad that they couldn't stop by and voice their concerns directly to him and not have to run to the city authorities?

Because they knew he would tell them to go F**K themselves. After the complaint, he wound up buying a Toyota Celica, like 3 months later. The Pinto REALLY did die.

Why should the neighbours care how old my car is? It is not my job to increase my neighbour's property prices.

Jan


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 7):
However, police where I am from know how to handle situations involving older people, and this officer overreacted.

No doubt this officer over-reacted, nice to see the good folks of Orem, Utah has a police department that as the time and resources to respond to such a call. Isn't this the type of concern for the building code-enforcement people.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 3):
Lawns have no place in Utah anyway. They should move to Xeroscaping, grow some of the native plants like cacti, ocotillos, etc.

Bingo..


User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
It is not my job to increase my neighbour's property prices.

Ahhh not true..If you live in a community with certain standards (especially if a Homeowners Association is present) you agree to maintain your property to a certain standard. If your house looks like crap, and I try and sell mine, it could scare off buyers who dont want to live next to an ugly dump.

In my parents current neighborhood a guy painted his house purple and black. He got a fine from the HOA, and when he refused to pay a lien was placed on his property. Still refuse to pay? Could eventually forclose on the property. Unless you are Grizzly Adams and live 300 miles away from anyone, you have certain standards to adhear to.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 20):
In my parents current neighborhood a guy painted his house purple and black. He got a fine from the HOA, and when he refused to pay a lien was placed on his property. Still refuse to pay? Could eventually forclose on the property. Unless you are Grizzly Adams and live 300 miles away from anyone, you have certain standards to adhear to.

Not here. As long as I don't own a property shared with others (e.g. an apartment in a building of apartments owned by other people) and I don't break e.g. enviromental laws (like stacking old cars leaking oil) or directly affect my neighbours (e.g. through noise, smells, building too close to the border of my property and this way cutting e.g. the neighbours off the sunlight), I can do whatever I want on my own land.

Jan


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 20):
If you live in a community with certain standards (especially if a Homeowners Association is present) you agree to maintain your property to a certain standard.

True; but show me in any CCR from a Homeowners Association, where it states in black and white that the duty of the HOA to to increase property values. Unfortunately some board members and management companies take their duties much too seriously.


User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 22):
True; but show me in any CCR from a Homeowners Association, where it states in black and white that the duty of the HOA to to increase property values. Unfortunately some board members and management companies take their duties much too seriously.

It may not state it in black and white print. But with the rules and regulations stated within for "maintaining your property to certain standards", will in turn help maintain/increase property values by keeping the overall community to be in a well kept appealing overall condition.

I saw the pictures of that ladies (the one who got arrested). Her house is an eyesore and if I lived next to it I would complain too.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 23):
Her house is an eyesore and if I lived next to it I would complain too.

If you don't like it, move away.

Jan


25 ExFATboy : Property, yes...car, no. As long as the car is in running order and properly registered, it doesn't matter whether or not it's ugly. (If it's up on b
26 AA787823 : Wrong, The HOA will fix the problem, bill her. If she refuses to pay a lien will be placed on the house, and she will ultimately be thrown out on her
27 ExFATboy : Not necessarily - many places, particularly in the West, don't have HOAs, and even if they do, in many parts of the US HOAs don't have liening powers
28 Post contains images Alfa75 : Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the real issue. Utah is a desert, her yard should be dirt with no grass. That part of the countr
29 Greasespot : HOA and community standards are why I do not live in the suburbs nor will I ever....I lover thechracter of the inner core of the city....no two housed
30 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Interesting thread, this is why many people live in apartments
31 Mir : You're assuming that that was the case here. There is no mention of a Homeowners Association, or community standards apart from the city ordinance (w
32 Post contains images Skidmarks : Ah, such a life in the land of the free. A place to grow old in security and safety, a place where your home is your place of refuge and comfort. Such
33 Zak : it always strikes me and suprises me as to which extend certain regulations are enforced in the u.s.. to me, its logical that, as long as i adhere to
34 Pyrex : Sounds like the kind of place where you neighbours start bitching if you don't decorate your house over Christmas.
35 Post contains images Banco : Explain something to me: How can a Homeowner Association impose standards on someone who already owns the property? If you own the freehold, how can t
36 MD11Engineer : Greasespot, I'm originally a city boy, living in a inner city, but I live now in a small village in the countryside. My neighbours are mostly farmers
37 KaiGywer : And rightly so. As long as the car runs and legal by state standards, they can't do anything about it.
38 Farcry : Pity the old biddy (meant in the nicest possible way) couldn't get indoors and play a certain record by Tom Jones. You know the one. Brown, brown gras
39 ExFATboy : In some parts of the United States, it's common for a developer to insert covenants in the land deed which bind the homeowner to a homeowner's associ
40 Post contains images Banco : OK, so in some areas there's a covenant, I get that, though I do find it a bit strange that such a covenant can be worded that way. Here, covenants t
41 Post contains images ExFATboy : In areas where they're not mandated by deed covenants, they're just voluntary organizations, and a lot of communities don't have them. The non-mandat
42 Banco : Ah, OK. They're just the local pressure group for the area, then. Gotcha. Why do I get a feeling of low dread when I read things like this? These are
43 KaiGywer : That sounds pretty accurate
44 Post contains images Skidmarks : A bit like some of the youth on here, damn them! No respect for order and their elders! Andy
45 DrDeke : Probably because they knew their request was ridiculous and would have been embarrassed to present it to him in person. The system you describe makes
46 Post contains links KBOS : Actually, they would probably bitch if you did decorate your house. They would'nt even let this vet fly a flag.... http://www.ccfj.net/20-20priv.gov.
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