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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Her phone records are available for download here, and already scores of people are checking out the numbers...

First one to go: Sen. Vitter, R-LA

More sure to follow...stay tuned!


I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Its really not anyone's business save for when they are telling others how to live their sex lives (a la Senator Vitter) while on the taxpayer's dime.

User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Thread starter):
Her phone records are available for download here, and already scores of people are checking out the numbers...

First one to go: Sen. Vitter, R-LA

More sure to follow...stay tuned!

So what? Why is it our business to know this stuff.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Its really not anyone's business...

And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):
Why is it our business to know this stuff.

Well, for starters, voters in Louisiana who elected him based on his professed values might otherwise have a second opinion now. Wouldn't you agree?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...

QFT



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User currently offlineKuna From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Just proves most politicians are lairs and low down dirty scoundrels.


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):Why is it our business to know this stuff.
Well, for starters, voters in Louisiana who elected him based on his professed values might otherwise have a second opinion now. Wouldn't you agree?

 rotfl 

When I made the very same argument on another thread dealing with the accusations of the mayor of Los Angeles cheating on his wife with a TV reporter, posters were coming out of the woodwork to loudly claim that whatever the mayor did on his own time was his own business.

Can't wait to see if those same people jump to defend Vitter. Anyone want to bet they don't?


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_go_co/vitter_dc_madam


Sen. David Vitter, (R-La)

"Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there --- with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way."

What a f--king loser!
Apologizing for his "sins" once he was caught. I doubt Clinton could have swept that under the rug by saying it was a"sin". Is Vitters going to blame alcohol too?



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User currently offlineKuna From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Apologizing for his "sins" once he was caught. I doubt Clinton could have swept that under the rug by saying it was a"sin". Is Vitters going to blame alcohol too?

You are about to witness a whole bunch of I am sorry, blah blah blah comments from Capitol Hill.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...

So I wonder who is guilty here? Her for racketeering although she maintains her innocence or Vitter who was quick to show remorse once caught (along with 2 other consertivateive officials) ????


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
When I made the very same argument on another thread dealing with the accusations of the mayor of Los Angeles cheating on his wife with a TV reporter, posters were coming out of the woodwork to loudly claim that whatever the mayor did on his own time was his own business.

The only difference, which is admittedly subtle, is that cheating is not technically illegal. But I think the point is still valid.

When in the public eye like politicians are, one is not limited to just abiding by the law, but also by a perceived moral code. The mayor of LA seemed to break only that. Sen. Vitter, and likely others as this all gets fleshed out, broke both.

What's interesting to me now is that ABC tried to poo-poo the story some time ago and claimed that no one of significance (read: congressmen, et. al.) were on the list, but upon its release in the first hour, already one showed up. My question then is who working for ABC is on the list?!?



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineKuna From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 10):
What's interesting to me now is that ABC tried to poo-poo the story some time ago and claimed that no one of significance (read: congressmen, et. al.) were on the list, but upon its release in the first hour, already one showed up. My question then is who working for ABC is on the list?!?

Very good point, very interesting indeed. I am interested to see what transpires over the next few days with this.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):
So what? Why is it our business to know this stuff.

Because it is illegal, unlike cheating on your wife with a free and willing participant. Well, looks like Mr. Jesus Freak Vitter is going down with this ship. Here's to Mitch perhaps joining his big sister on The Hill.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):
So what? Why is it our business to know this stuff.

Because it is illegal, unlike cheating on your wife with a free and willing participant. Well, looks like Mr. Jesus Freak Vitter is going down with this ship. Here's to Mitch perhaps joining his big sister on The Hill.

 rotfl  Just as I suspected.

Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

But the common thread remains, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms ought to be of no concern to the public. But only if you are a liberal democrat, right?


User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):

Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

But the common thread remains, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms ought to be of no concern to the public. But only if you are a liberal democrat, right?

And liberal democrats don't claim to be protecting the sanctity of marriage by outlawing it for gays as many conservatives have tried to do. Vitter comes out as a hypocrite because he's claiming to protect marriage, and yet he cheated on his wife.

Quoting David Vitter:
: “This is a real outrage. The Hollywood left is redefining the most basic institution in human history, and our two U.S. Senators won’t do anything about it.

We need a U.S. Senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts’s values. I am the only Senate Candidate to coauthor the Federal Marriage Amendment; the only one fighting for its passage. I am the only candidate proposing changes to the senate rules to stop liberal obstructionists from preventing an up or down vote on issues like this, judges, energy, and on and on.” stated David Vitter.

http://www.vitter2004.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=20

[Edited 2007-07-10 16:40:05]


All the things I really like to do are either immoral, illegal, or fattening.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13072 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

First of all, let us hope that all disclosures are correct, I would hate for someone being accused of doing business with this madam and it not be correct. But if is correct - tough.
A certain base of Americans, mainly based on their religious faith, have always objected to prostitution mainly on moral reasons. There are also sound issues of pubic health, especially AIDS and other STD's that lead to continued illegality of prostitution. As to politicians using prostitution services, it is nothing new. Where the problems exists are as to if a 3rd party is paying for the services as a bribe, the compromise trust to family, spouse and the voters as well as violating a well established law.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Quoting Max999 (Reply 14):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):

Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

But the common thread remains, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms ought to be of no concern to the public. But only if you are a liberal democrat, right?

And liberal democrats don't claim to be protecting the sanctity of marriage by outlawing it for gays as many conservatives have tried to do. Vitter comes out as a hypocrite because he's claiming to protect marriage, and yet he cheated on his wife.

Ah, but the mayor of LA ran on a democratic version of "family values" during his election campaign.

Look - if you campaign for office with your spouse as part of the campaign, even though it might be nothing more than him/her standing by you, you are implicitly saying "vote for me because I believe in family values."

If you subsequently cheat on her - legally or illegally, as the case may be - you are a hypocrite. Whether you are a liberal democrat or conservative republican.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

Adultery is still illegal but I haven't heard about it being prosecuted lately.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
Look - if you campaign for office with your spouse as part of the campaign, even though it might be nothing more than him/her standing by you, you are implicitly saying "vote for me because I believe in family values."

It could also mean "I'm not a poor sod who can't get laid." or "Look at me! I'm straight!". Having a spouse standing next to you during your campaign says nothing about "family values".



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Thread starter):
Her phone records are available for download here,

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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It could also mean "I'm not a poor sod who can't get laid." or "Look at me! I'm straight!". Having a spouse standing next to you during your campaign says nothing about "family values".

A valid point, but Halls' position is still pretty much dead on. Pretty much every candidate, whether implicitly or explicitly, runs on and stresses their character (read morals and honesty). To do anything else would be political suicide. So to then be caught fooling around, whether in a legal or illegal manner, makes them hypocrites. The Mayor is and Vitter is. I'll admit there is a certain amount of schadenfreude in Vitter's case, because he specifically campaigned on the anti-Gay Marriage platform and family values, but that doesn't mean I'll give a pass to either of our philandering west coast mayors either.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
A valid point, but Halls' position is still pretty much dead on.

Let me ask you, when you see a husband and wife together, what's the first thing you think of? Is it "family values"? Really?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):

When I made the very same argument on another thread dealing with the accusations of the mayor of Los Angeles cheating on his wife with a TV reporter, posters were coming out of the woodwork to loudly claim that whatever the mayor did on his own time was his own business.

One broke the law, the other didn't. Also, last I checked, Vitter wasn't separated from his wife.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 17):

Adultery is still illegal but I haven't heard about it being prosecuted lately.

Adultery is neither illegal in California or Louisiana. It is not even a legal basis for divorce in California.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Let me ask you, when you see a husband and wife together, what's the first thing you think of? Is it "family values"? Really?

If I see them on a platform and one of them is exhorting me to give them their support, then the message I'm getting is, "See I'm a stable family man/woman with all that implies, and here is my loving spouse/family to prove it". If I see them walking down the street, well, then the first thing I think of depends on what he looks like. . .  Wink



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Its really not anyone's business...

And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...

Show me a straight man above the age of 30 who has never, and if it was just out of curiousity, used the services of a prostitute.  Yeah sure

Jan


25 Post contains images Superfly : When you're Superfly, you get it for free.
26 Post contains images CastleIsland : You get the gold star for today. Hell, make it a .
27 AirTran737 : I can show you a lot of them. It is illegal here in the US (except for the brothels in Vegas). Throwing it to a hooker is a good way to walk away wit
28 Mikey711MN : I turn 30 tomorrow, and I am a straight male, so you can count me in then. -Mike
29 AeroWesty : So that's the first thing you think of when you see Bill and Hillary up on the stage ... ? I'm really trying to grasp this, because the presence of a
30 Superfly : Thus what Senator Vitters did was illegal because he paid for sex in the District of Columbia.
31 N1120A : Actually, it is illegal in Clark County.
32 Searpqx : Just so we're clear, no, its not the first think I think of, because I don't as a rule judge people based on who they haul up on stage with them, so
33 Post contains links Mikey711MN : Bad news for the Senator...from an article a few years ago: Ruh roh!
34 Post contains images Halls120 : When I see any husband and wife together, do I automatically think "family values?" Of course not. Being straight, the first thing I'm doing is class
35 AeroWesty : Okay, I can buy that, that speaks of a person's character. How about all the politicians who are anarchists, childless, or support gay marriage? How
36 Halls120 : What I'm talking about are situations like where a candidate - like my local Delegate - sends out campaign literature where the words "family values"
37 Post contains images Superfly : As much as I don't like David Vitters, I would hate for something like that to happen to him. He should resign and defect to another country, re-marr
38 Airfoilsguy : I have never used one and I am 35. I never plan on using one either. I am also straight and have had my share of girlfriends.
39 Post contains images Pyrex : Run for the hills, Vitter, run for the hills!
40 AeroWesty : That's not what you said earlier, which is what I was questioning: There's a HUGE difference to simply standing by one's side and sending out campaig
41 Searpqx : C'mon Westy, you're splitting hairs. He didn't say standing by your side picking daffodils, he very clearly put it in context of campaigning: The poi
42 AeroWesty : Not splitting hairs at all. I questioned that scenario in every single question I posed--if the act of simply standing there next to your spouse repr
43 Post contains images Searpqx : In the immortal words of Eric Cartman, "Whatever"
44 CastleIsland : Whether they said yes or not, I sure am. IMO, that's exactly what any candidate is trying to get across. Since (presumably) they're the only one in t
45 AeroWesty : Not necessarily. Does a husband and wife make a "family"? Does a husband and wife signify a "good Christian household"? Did you post about your upcom
46 Tsaord : Why because he likes to get his rocks off? People sleep around and cheat how come politicians can't? Its a double standard to me. If I can't think of
47 Mikey711MN : Let me put it to you this way... If you ran a campaign on the platform of your moral tenets as so eloquently stated above and were elected and were o
48 Post contains images LH423 : Because the double standard here is that this Senator ran a campaign based on Christian moral values. Adultery and prostitution are not Christian mor
49 Post contains links Tsaord : http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/2007/07/10/sex_lies_and_re#more From Mr. keith Boykin "It is noteworthy and hypocritcal that Vitter led the fight to p
50 AA787823 : Then please explain the Internal Revenue Service.... Ahhh...been to FKK Oase recently????? I thought that was soon to change as the federal governmen
51 Superfly : That makes no sense. I see no parallels. The IRS is the monetary collection arm of the government. You don't get a choice in the matter. Prostitution
52 Halls120 : If you send out campaign literature featuring your family, you are being more overt about your intent, but yes, even if all you have your spouse do i
53 AA787823 : I am paying money and getting screwed....
54 Post contains images AeroWesty : Okay, the next time I see Giuliani with his third wife standing next to him, I'll try not to keep from splitting my sides laughing too much when I ru
55 Halls120 : Why are you assuming I believe the message?
56 CastleIsland : Hell no!!! However, I still think that every politician feels brutally obligated to show that he or she is "just like the average other person." "See
57 Post contains images AeroWesty : It's too hot here to play games. Really. So divorced, dysfunctional, etc? You bring up an interesting point. If this were the M.O. then the Cheney's
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