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14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC  
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1942 times:

Yes, a 14 year old kid frim Illinois has committed to play basketball at USC. A few days later, he decided which high school he would attend.

14???!! Are you kidding me?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...=forde_pat&id=2930720&sportCat=ncb

14 year olds haven't even finished growing yet, and we're predicting their basketball futures...

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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):

14 year olds haven't even finished growing yet, and we're predicting their basketball futures

This is pretty regular in the world of soccer (at least in Europe). The likes of Gerrard, Beckham, Ferdinand, the Neville brothers, and going further back - Sheringham, Shearer, Gascoigne, Fowler, etc. have all stated that they signed development agreements with their respective clubs at around the age of 14 or 15 that basically guaranteed them a professional contract. More power to the 14 year old...he knows he wants to play basketball and so is taking steps to make sure he can do that after high school.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):
More power to the 14 year old...he knows he wants to play basketball and so is taking steps to make sure he can do that after high school.

I only disagree with it from a standpoint of bsaketball being more difficult that soccer. You have to play at a VERY high level in order to compete at the D1 level in college. Many of these kids don't ever improve enough, and the school ends up breaking the verbal agreement because of it. Or, the kid is just barely good enough to make the team, and he has to transfer out to a school where he'll get playing time.

I don't agree with kids being allowed to make verbal commitments to any school, in any sport, until they are a Jr. in HS. I'd even go so far as to say not to let the schools even have contact with the kids until then. If they want to spend money to fly out and scout the kid, fine...But I wouldn't even let them start talking to him/her until they are at least a Jr. in HS.


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):
I only disagree with it from a standpoint of bsaketball being more difficult that soccer.

ummm.

NO. That statement is riddled with ignorance. What authority can you speak from anyhow?

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Kyle


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1893 times:

What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree. That, IMO, needs to change.

Currently, the NFL does not allow high school kids to enter the NFL draft. Thats the right thing to do. The NBA and MLB should follow suit.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree.

Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Yes, a 14 year old kid frim Illinois has committed to play basketball at USC. A few days later, he decided which high school he would attend.

While it is absolutely crazy that is the nature of college sports these days. Win now, win often, or get the hell out.

One thing to consider is that this kid is merely giving his verbal committment to USC and that it is non-binding and that the school can't even comment on it when asked. Of course an offer was extended from Tim Floyd (or at least one of his assistants) but it is in word only, there is no papers signed, and either side ccan go back on the deal. The kid can go elsewhere if he wants to do so when the time comes to commit on the dotted line or the school can withdraw what will eventually become a true offer or even retract the verbal offer if the kid sucks in high school or there is a coaching change at USC and the new coach isn't interested.

Check back in 4 years and see if this kid signs an actual letter of intent. Until then it is nothing more than speculation and conjuncture.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree. That, IMO, needs to change.

You need to catch up with the times. The NBA has stopped allowing kids to come straight from high school. That is why we saw Kevin Durant and Greg Oden play in the college ranks this past year. They are now required to play at least one year of college ball before going into the draft. Personally I would like to see a minimum of 2 years and perhaps it will happen. Of course it would be great for them to all graduate but that just isn't going to happen.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.

Because an 'idiot' would have something to fall back on if the NBA/NFL/MLB career does not work out for obvious reasons. My best friend plays for the Seattle Mariners. He was drafted right out of our high school, instead he went to college first, got a degree and now he is with the Mariners full-time. So when his career is up, he has a degree already and a 'back-up' plan. Its common sense.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Because an 'idiot' would have something to fall back on if the NBA/NFL/MLB career does not work out for obvious reasons.....my friend.....So when his career is up, he has a degree already and a 'back-up' plan. Its common sense.

While that might work for your friend how many of the kids playing college sports today have some half-assed degree like Recreation Management that apparently readies them for a job as a park ranger. That is the big problem that needs to be looked at in the college world. Obviously not everyone is going to be a Chemistry, Engineering, or Business major in school but doing the best a school can do to make sure the kids have some skills before graduation is a big issue in my opinion.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
That statement is riddled with ignorance.

Nah it isn't. Playing high level basketball is much more difficult than soccer. You kick a ball, and everyone chases after it. You merely have to be in great shape because of all the running involved. Basketball is a MUCH more physical game.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Currently, the NFL does not allow high school kids to enter the NFL draft. Thats the right thing to do. The NBA and MLB should follow suit.

Well I have to disagree with you strongly, here.

The NFL is a whole different animal. High School kids never attempt to jump straight to the NFL, because they would literally die. They would get hit so hard, so often, they would have to "retire" at the ripe age of about 20. NFL football is fast, and hard hitting. Look at how much trouble some guys have making the transition from college ball to the NFL. I think the NFL is exempt from this argument  Smile

As for baseball... WAY different than basketball or even football. There is a reason HS kids are allowed to sign right out of graduation, and start their pro careers. Baseball is a much different game. And, without a doubt, the most difficult thing to do in sports, is hit a baseball. Kids that can do it successfully, can have brilliant, long careers in the pros. Baseball is not a "contact" sport. It requires different athletic abilities.

Also, Baseball is the only sport with a "true" farm system. Kids will spend sometimes 4-7 years in the minors before they get called up to the big club. What is expected of a MLB player is different than what is expected of an NBA player. Baseball has nine defensive possitions, as opposed to 5 players in basketball.

Also, they pay is MUCH different for baseball players when they are signed out of HS, than for NBA players. You had to be a phenom to get drafted in the NBA...Your contract would be at least a few million a year. HS kids have to be VERY good to get even a few hundred thousand as a signing bonus. But their salary is significantly less. They don't make the big bucks until they get a MLB contract with the big club...Or until they're a producing AAA player. Breaking seven figures in the minors is pretty rare.


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):

Nah it isn't. Playing high level basketball is much more difficult than soccer. You kick a ball, and everyone chases after it. You merely have to be in great shape because of all the running involved. Basketball is a MUCH more physical game

But basketball all you do is run up and down a court and shoot a ball.  Wink

I'd like to see you and Rooney compared physically.

piercey in PRC  Smile



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 10):
But basketball all you do is run up and down a court and shoot a ball.

Ah yes...but a basketball hoop is just a little smaller than a soccer goal  Smile

Quoting Piercey (Reply 10):
I'd like to see you and Rooney compared physically

Who the hell is Rooney, and why do you wanna see us compared physically??


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 11):
Who the hell is Rooney, and why do you wanna see us compared physically??

Wayne Rooney is the star English soccer player. Now why Piercey wants to see your body compared to his I'll never know. I'd rather not think about it as he seems just a bit odd.  Wink (Just kidding Piercey)



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 11):
Ah yes...but a basketball hoop is just a little smaller than a soccer goal

In football there's a bloke wearing gloves whose only purpose is to stop the ball from entering, plus the ball is usually shot from farther away.

Basketball is played on close quarters, football in open field so they have differently physical requirements, which doesn't mean one is more physical than the other.

Take rugby or American football, now that's physical.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):
You kick a ball, and everyone chases after it. You merely have to be in great shape because of all the running involved.

Good Lord....now that statement IS riddled with ignorance. There is far more to the game than kicking a ball and running, just like there is far more to running and bouncing and throwing in basketball. Really, trying to compare the two is comparing apples to oranges. Just doesn't work. But you're wrong about soccer. Far more too it.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
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Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.

The pro basketball doesn't have much of a developmental league. There is some, but most pro basketball players go to college to further develope their game.

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
14 year olds haven't even finished growing yet, and we're predicting their basketball futures...

When I was a freshman in college at Central Missouri State University there was another freshman who was 14. He was very smart and had skipped a lot of grades. He didn't live on campus, he lived in town with his parents. I never met him, but I read about it in the school's paper. He was 4-5 years younger than most freshman. CMSU is no USC, but still. I would be willing to bet that this kid I speak of had a lot more brains then the student mentioned by the thread starter. Sounds like they just want him for their team not for their academics. You never know though.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Obviously not everyone is going to be a Chemistry, Engineering, or Business major in school but doing the best a school can do to make sure the kids have some skills before graduation is a big issue in my opinion.

I have a BS in Automotive technology. There was plenty of other students with me too. Many colleges and Universities have all kinds of interesting programs that people never think about. A buddy of mine has a degree in Race Track management from Arizona.



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User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Something makes me think this tread will be locked after about 10 more posts....

User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 14):
But you're wrong about soccer.

Don't waste your keystrokes. His mind is made up, don't confuse him with the facts.



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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

I think golf is more physically demanding!............  duck 


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
I have a BS in Automotive technology. There was plenty of other students with me too. Many colleges and Universities have all kinds of interesting programs that people never think about. A buddy of mine has a degree in Race Track management from Arizona

You're taking me the wrong way. I'm not undermining or making fun of your degree. What concerns me is so many of the athletes get degrees in seemingly low-end or dead-end areas and because of their devotion to the sport don't have the necessary skills to perform in the real world when they don't get drafted to play in the pros.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 14):
Good Lord....now that statement IS riddled with ignorance.

I don't like soccer....If you haven't figured out that I'm just saying crap to get a rise out of you....Well then I'm sorry  Smile

I have said that soccer requirs very good endurance due to how much running is involved for such a long period of time. However, no one will ever convince me that soccer requires more athletic ability than baseball. The hand/eye coordination required to succeed at baseball is greater than that of any other sport. In fact, baseball is the only sport I know of where you can fail 7 of of 10 times, and STILL be considered a success, and earn 10 million bucks a year. Try being a failure 7 out of 10 times at any non-athletic job, and see how long you can keep it  Smile

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 17):
Don't waste your keystrokes. His mind is made up, don't confuse him with the facts.

Awww now that's not nice...Read above  Smile


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

I'd like to see a 5' 5" weakling that plays soccer to last 3 minutes in a basketball game...


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

sounds like something USC might do.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Yes, a 14 year old kid frim Illinois has committed to play basketball at USC

Apparently, Arizona State has a couple of 14yrs committed also..will be playing at my son's high school, oh did I mention that one of the kids is the son of a basketball coach, but since Arizona is known being a hot bed of DI talent, who knows what will happen, what is wrong is the press actually attends these kids so called press conferences and then wastes ink printing the story.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
While it is absolutely crazy that is the nature of college sports these days. Win now, win often, or get the hell out.

What ever happen to have a decent season and develop fine young adults? It used to be if you had a winning season, you wouldn't be fired. Not true today.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):

I only disagree with it from a standpoint of bsaketball being more difficult that soccer.

What in the world are you talking about? They are both games that require high levels of cardiovascular endurance combined with high levels of skill and coordination.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree. That, IMO, needs to change.

Why should they? They aren't on the court because of their ability to do calculus or discuss Nietzsche, they are there to play. Further, 3 of the 4 major US sports as well as the world's biggest sport all allow for no college and even no real high school. Finally, mental ability is definitely not determined by who goes to college. I guarantee you Kobe Bryant is more intelligent and more capable of success in the real world than most NBA'ers who did 4 years in college.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
MLB should follow suit.

That would defy more than a century of history. And you forget that Hockey allows in players out of high school as well.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):

The NFL is a whole different animal. High School kids never attempt to jump straight to the NFL, because they would literally die. They would get hit so hard, so often, they would have to "retire" at the ripe age of about 20. NFL football is fast, and hard hitting.

Well, while he did do a fully 4 years of college, Amobe Okoye is only 19 and is going to do fine.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 21):
I'd like to see a 5' 5" weakling that plays soccer to last 3 minutes in a basketball game...

Muggsy Bogues, Spud Webb and Earl Boykins might want a word with you. Same with Allen Iverson, who may be 5'10" but only weighs 150 pounds and is headed for the Hall of Fame.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 22):
sounds like something USC might do.

Yeah, but they still will never win as many national titles as UCLA  Wink

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
However, no one will ever convince me that soccer requires more athletic ability than baseball. The hand/eye coordination required to succeed at baseball is greater than that of any other sport.

And the foot-eye coordination required in soccer? The hardest thing to do in sports might be to hit a baseball, but that is only one aspect of the game.



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25 Post contains images Falstaff : I didn't think you were knocking my degree at all. I was just pointing out that schools offer a lot of other degrees besides the ones people always t
26 Mdodd : I think this is apart of a long debate, each sport is intense in its own respective ways! I am apathetic about my personal opinion...anyone else agree
27 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : That sounds a lot like Shaq's free-throw percentage though. Which is why we use it as Physical Fitness in the Air Force. And what happens when two ye
28 Post contains images N1120A : Shaq did quite well after blowing out BOTH knees . Also, the NBA is heavy with guaranteed money contracts, which means that even a player that gets h
29 DeltaGator : Why don't you get back to us after this next NFL season. That kid, while good in college and damn smart, is going to have a big bad wakeup call in th
30 FlyDeltaJets87 : My point was that many athletes who go to college to play football and basketball use it as their "minor league" before trying to go pro, where as ba
31 S12PPL : Don't forget more and more kids are going to college for 3 years now days to play baseball. They are all elligible to be drafted again after their Jr
32 N1120A : I still think he should have taken the offer to go to Harvard, but that is beside the point. He is not only smart, he has the size to play in the NFL
33 DeltaGator : While there was plenty of dirtiness going on with UNLV at that time those numbers are always a bit skewed IMO. Players are given 5 years to complete
34 S12PPL : Tell that to Mitch Canham, and Darwin Barney. If he had signed out of HS, he woudln't have gotten the 220K he just got as a signing bonus. Tell that
35 DeltaGator : True but of all the athletes I had in my classes at Florida if it was a daytime class and they weren't travelling for a game their butts had damn wel
36 S12PPL : Yeah, but I'm just saying they get help above and beyond anything a non-athletic student will ever recieve. They have to work damn hard to fail a cla
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