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User currently offlineUSCGC130 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

I realize that this will be heresy to a lot of folks, but: why do people have to have dogs?

Having a dog is a real cultural imperative in the U.S. Some people do have a legitimate need, like, say, a single woman living alone who wants one for protection, or an old person who desires some form of companionship. But many people feel compelled to own a dog even when it's impractical, like when they live in an apartment in the city, or they have the sort of lifestyle that makes caring for a dog a PITA, or they don't want to bother taking the time and effort to train one properly. They seem to think that a dog is a chattel that they "need" to acquire, like a cell phone or a food processor or a decent stereo. For the allegedly "childfree" who have a vestigial parenting instinct, a dog is often a surrogate child.

In the area where I live (the San Lorenzo Valley in Santa Cruz County, Calif.), people seem to think they have to have a dog as part of the mountain lifestyle. They also seem to think that because they live in a semi-rural area, there's no need to train the damned things not to bark. I beg to differ on both counts.

This has become a real annoyance to me. Some of my neighbors have dogs that will bark mindlessly for hours, at nothing. Often, that will trigger other dogs in the neighborhood to follow suit. At times I feel like I'm living in a giant, outdoor kennel. The animals are either lonely and bored due to lack of attention, or simply ill-trained. Of course, most of these dogs tend to bark when their masters aren't home, *because* their masters aren't home. And so when I talk to these people, their immediate reaction is often one of belligerent denial. Many's the time I've fantasized about making their dogs' heads disappear in puffs of red mist, right in mid-bark, with a well-placed round from a high-powered hunting rifle.

When I moved here from the suburbs, I looked forward to being able to take long walks without cars whizzing past every few seconds, breaking my train of thought. But I soon learned that's impossible. Everybody has a dog (if not two or three), and every dog will start barking at the first hint of my approach. As I pass a given house, each dog will "hand me off" to the next barking dog, like air traffic controllers working a transcontinental flight ("USCGC130, contact Yip-Yap Center on 123.5. Good day.")

The county animal control authorities are useless. In response to a complaint, they'll send a dog owner a letter. A letter! They don't even bother sending an officer out anymore. And they won't issue a citation unless a complainant gets two other people to sign a form that corroborates his complaint. They claim that they get results from these letters that are just as effective as those they used to get from sending an officer out. I find that hard to believe. I suspect that they were simply overwhelmed by the sheer number of barking complaints they were getting, and so they placed the onus squarely onto the shoulders of the complainants.

I'm not a dog-hater, by any means. I grew up with dogs. I raised one from a puppy. We've all heard the expression "love the sinner, hate the sin." Well, I like dogs but hate barking. I encourage anyone out there who's considering getting a dog to first ask himself why he wants one, and whether he really needs one.

I'll close on a lighter note. Many of us have no doubt seen this dog haiku at some point:

I love my master;
Thus I perfume myself with
This long-rotten squirrel.

I lie belly-up
In the sunshine, happier than
You ever will be

Today I sniffed
Many dog butts-I celebrate
By kissing your face.

I sound the alarm!
Paperboy-come to kill us all-
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I sound the alarm!
Mailman Fiend-come to kill us all-
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I sound the alarm!
Meter reader-come to kill all-
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I sound the alarm!
Garbage man-come to kill us all-
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I sound the alarm!
Neighbor's cat-come to kill us all!
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I lift my leg and
Whizz on each bush. Hello, Spot -
Sniff this and weep

How do I love thee?
The ways are numberless as
My hairs on the rug.

My human is home!
I am so ecstatic I have
Made a puddle

I hate my choke chain -
Look, world, they strangle me! Ack
Ack Ack Ack Ack Ack!

Sleeping here, my chin
On your foot - no greater bliss - well,
Maybe catching cats

Look in my eyes and
Deny it. No human could
Love you as much I do

The cat is not all
Bad-she fills the litter box
With Tootsie Rolls

Dig under fence-why?
Because it's there. Because it's
There. Because it's there.

I am your best friend,
Now, always, and especially
When you are eating.

You may call them fleas,
But they are far more -I call
Them a vocation

My owners' mood is
Romantic-I lie near their
Feet. I fart a big one.


To this I'll add:

Masters were remiss
Never trained me not to bark
Neighbors want me dead

Attempts have been made
Poisoned meat over the fence
Antifreeze in bowl

Man next door loathes me
Mindless barking all day long
Bullet through my brain.

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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
As I pass a given house, each dog will "hand me off" to the next barking dog, like air traffic controllers working a transcontinental flight ("USCGC130, contact Yip-Yap Center on 123.5. Good day.")

LMAO ROTFL, hahaha. I see your points, but im not a dog owner so i cant give you an answer.



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

I'm a multiple cat owner, and they're entirely silent.  Smile


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User currently offlineUSCGC130 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 2):
I'm a multiple cat owner, and they're entirely silent

Somebody once commented that "Owning a cat is like keeping a tiny Republican for a pet." I'm a Republican, but I see the humor in that.  Smile


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Serious dog people here, my wife and I both come from families that raised dogs, St. Bernards in my case. I hate being without a dog. I've owned some cats too but the coyotes got the last two.

Some of my neighbors, round and about are these kind of people:

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
have to have a dog as part of the mountain lifestyle.



Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
need to train the damned things

Even though everyone out here has some acreage, the white noise level is almost nil, so the barking carries a mile or more. Some nights I want to kill a local dog with a unique "voice" and a 5 + 1 bark that can go on for hours. I don't get how a person can be so rude and inconsiderate. In fact I don't get why a person would bother to own a dog, then just leave it chained outside. If the dog is not welcome in my house it is not needed in my life.

A couple of years ago we were visiting a relative in Utah and his neighbor had a really sweet malemute. She was confined to a 6x8 foot chainlink enclosure with a concrete pad, an un-insulated doghouse with no pad or blanket. Worst of all, her water dish was frozen solid. My wife had to lead me away to keep me from hurling the ice-dish through that jerk's window.

I believe that most dogs want to belong, want to know what the pack rules are, want to socialize. Denying them these things is very cruel and all I can say is don't do it in front of me.



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
I believe that most dogs want to belong, want to know what the pack rules are, want to socialize. Denying them these things is very cruel and all I can say is don't do it in front of me.

Most dogs? Surely all dogs.

I am a cat-person myself, but I recognise and respect the sort of dog-person you are.

My partner's parents have a Cocker Spaniel. Yasmine. She's adoreable.

The Dutch biologist and author, Midas Dekkers, once noted that dogs are for beginners and cats are for advanced pet owners.

Another funny quote from the same author: a cat has 40 million hairs - 5 million on its back, 10 million on its belly and 25 million on your furniture.

My mother still has a copy of book called (something like) A Hundred Ways To Live With A Calculating Cat

Robert



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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Besides my wife, my dog is the only thing in the world that wants nothing from me but love.

It really doesn't matter what else is going on in the world, when I come home, he's excited to see me, and that feels nice.

I can't really explain it further than that. Sorry if you don't understand.



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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Whatever 'pet' someone decides they want, they need to be responsible for it in the same way they would look after another human being. Speaking as someone that had a dog for 15 years, it's just the same as a member of the family and the loss fealt when they go is exactly the same.  Smile

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
why do people have to have dogs?

For some people it's a social status thing. A couple of friends back east have always had registered pedigreed dogs, and they're showcased on their breeder's website as clients. They've even flown halfway across the U.S. to pick out puppies from a fresh litter, to be delivered later. I do my best to say "what a nice poodle", or whatever, but don't totally understand the hobby.

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 5):
My mother still has a copy of book called (something like) A Hundred Ways To Live With A Calculating Cat

Ooooh, I need to find that one.



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User currently offlineUSCGC130 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 6):
I can't really explain it further than that. Sorry if you don't understand.

I understand completely; thanks. What I was getting at is that the cultural imperative of dog ownership is so powerful that it drives many people to have dogs even when they shouldn't.

Oh, and SlamChick, I agree with everything you said.

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 5):
My mother still has a copy of book called (something like) A Hundred Ways To Live With A Calculating Cat

I remember that book! There was a companion volume titled How To Live With A Neurotic Dog. One of my neighbors has a neurotic female black Lab. She has separation anxiety, and makes this birdlike chirping noise ("EEE! EEE! EEE!") whenever her master is outside on the property someplace and she can't see him. She goes into a barking and yelping frenzy when she hears his car pull into the driveway in the evening, and won't stop until he makes his way through the house and lets her inside through the back door. It's really annoying, especially if I'm trying to sleep at the time.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

I don't hate Animals,But I don't Love them either.Electronics interests me more. Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 2):
I'm a multiple cat owner, and they're entirely silent.  

Same here...don't really understand Dogs sometimes...although I think they can be really nice animals and make good pets, unfortunitly they do have a lot of downsides to them (at least in my eyes)!


User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Go get a book called "Marley and Me" - it's a great read about a guy who buys a giant yellow lab and the dog is a nightmare. But, just as if it was one of his children who had a wild and destructive side, he loves the dog unconditionally.

I got it for my parents, who take care of my huge, uncontrollable chocolate lab, coincedentally named "Marley."



"The only people for me are the mad ones...." Jack Kerouac
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
why do people have to have dogs?

To chase undesirables out of my yard of course. JUST KIDDING FOLKS!

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
Having a dog is a real cultural imperative in the U.S. Some

I got asked this when I was in India. I paid attention to all the dogs roaming the streets to the point I could have given two shits about the poor folks begging for money. They wanted to know if it was a status symbol to own a dog in the US. I said not in my book but if it was I was the damn king of the world with 3 dogs that live the freaking life of Riley sleeping on the couch, watching TV, and have a doggie door to go into the backyard for exploring.

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
In the area where I live (the San Lorenzo Valley in Santa Cruz County, Calif.),

Gorgeous country. I have a client in Scotts Valley. I love going out there.

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
Everybody has a dog (if not two or three), and every dog will start barking at the first hint of my approach.

My dogs are hilarious with this one. If you are outside they will bark and growl like they will rip your throat out for entering their perimeter. But once you're inside, whether we let you in or not, you're ok in their book and the biggest threat they pose is to lick you to death.

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
I like dogs but hate barking

Right there with you. Our friends have a lab who barks his fool head off when you pet him and then barks more if you ignore him. That dog pisses me off. Mine on the other hand licks any exposed body part like fingers or toes if they happen to pass her so that's annoying as well.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 12):
Go get a book called "Marley and Me" - it's a great read about a guy who buys a giant yellow lab and the dog is a nightmare. But, just as if it was one of his children who had a wild and destructive side, he loves the dog unconditionally.

Great book and a quick read. I have a chocolate lab and I cried like a little bitch at the end of it knowing that I would be experiencing the same feelings in a few years when she is gone.



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
Many's the time I've fantasized about making their dogs' heads disappear in puffs of red mist, right in mid-bark, with a well-placed round from a high-powered hunting rifle.

That would be entirely the wrong way to go about taking care of the problem. It's not the dogs' fault, it's their owners' fault. They are the ones who would deserve such a fate, not the dogs, who don't know any better.

Of course, I am not advocating violence against dogs or people here. I only want to point out that laying the blame on the dogs is completely misguided.



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Thread starter):
why do people have to have dogs

Because we don't have the people skills to retain many human friends.

Our mutt is a halfway decent watch dog, gentle with kids, usually quiet, and a good companion to the Missus when I am at work. I think the problem is that many people do not realize that well trained pets are not a low maintenance endeavour. Unfortunately it is easy just to stick them out in the yard with some food and water and call them cared for. In order to interact with people, pets do need a certain amount of social training. If you have a particularly difficult dog to train, get some help. Yes it may cost money, but who said owning pets was cheap?



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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Great companions, make you laugh, make you smile, always there for you, they wait at the door for you to come home, make you happy. They're a lot of work, but worth it IMO.  Smile.

Dave



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User currently offlineUSCGC130 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 14):
That would be entirely the wrong way to go about taking care of the problem. It's not the dogs' fault, it's their owners' fault. They are the ones who would deserve such a fate, not the dogs, who don't know any better.

Why is it okay to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery, but not okay to shoot an animal to put it out of *my* misery? The way I look at it, as a human being I have higher social standing than a mere dog does.

The owners would get the message, and the noise would stop immediately; there'd be none of this evasive, noncommittal "Well, we'll do our best to maybe try and possibly get them to eventually quiet down" stuff, followed by weeks of enduring more barking and trying not to overreact while making an effort to be a good neighbor and discern in good faith whether any effort toward improvement was actually taking place. (Been there, done that, accumulated a whole closetful of T-shirts, thanks.) BOOM! Fido, meet Mr. Remington. Problem solved. What's not to like?

There are certain types of people who are best traumatized into social responsibility -- who require what Hunter S. Thompson called "forced consciousness expansion." I mean, the mere fact that some ostensible adults have to be educated about stuff like this in the first place indicates that a more subtle approach would probably not make much of an impression on them, and would quite likely even be met with belligerence. They simply weren't brought up right, and now Society At Large(tm) needs to step in and make up for lost time.

I've tried reasoning with such people. I find that in my neck o'the woods, at least, they fall into two categories: white trash, and supposedly "childfree" couples to whom dogs are nevertheless surrogate children. The former have a reflexive "fuck you" response to even the most oblique and diplomatic implications of criticism, and the latter go into the same sort of belligerent denial that parents of spoiled children often do: "Oh, no, my precious little [Justin, Jhasmygne] would *never* do that! "

So as Al Haig reportedly once said, "Let me decision that for you."


User currently offlineKunoichi From Denmark, joined Jan 2007, 796 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Reply 17):
as a human being I have higher social standing than a mere dog does.

WHY is that? What makes a human so much better than a dog? We're more intelligent, but that just means we have the responsibility to treat animals RIGHT- especially when we force them to become our pets.

It's not the dog's fault that it's being a dog and barks- if it bothers you, it's the owner's responsibility to make up for it- the dog can't go somewhere else to bark. Shooting the dog for being a dog makes it debatable whether humans are more intelligent than animals.

Our lives are worth as much as any other living beings. A dog has a heart, two lungs, and a liver. Just like we do. What exactly makes its life worth less than yours?



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Reply 17):
Why is it okay to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery, but not okay to shoot an animal to put it out of *my* misery? The way I look at it, as a human being I have higher social standing than a mere dog does.

Because even if you consider a dog nothing more than property, you do not have the right to destroy someone else's property because you don't like it. It would be like me burning down the Honda Civic with the fart can exhaust that the kid up the street owns. You think I like the way it sounds at about 0230? You can try and work with people, but you don't have a right to not be annoyed.

[Edited 2007-07-13 03:14:23]


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User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Reply 17):
Why is it okay to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery, but not okay to shoot an animal to put it out of *my* misery? The way I look at it, as a human being I have higher social standing than a mere dog does.

Because if an animal is suffering, and there is nothing that can be done for it, would you not want its pain to end? Killing an animal like a dog, especially one that is not your own, because it annoys you is just cruel. Lodge a complaint with the authorities if you have to.

There is something about a dog that tells me that as dumb as they might seem at times, they know more about life than we can ever hope to. I miss my dog every day, but I see my girlfriend's dog constantly, and love him as though he were my own. There is something about the unwavering love, loyalty and friendship that you don't get from any two leggers.

[Edited 2007-07-13 03:10:54]

[Edited 2007-07-13 03:11:28]

[Edited 2007-07-13 03:12:35]


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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

I used to say "why pay money for something that does nothing but eat, shit, piss, walk around and bark" but then I kind of grew to like certain dogs. Most I don't care for except for the Airedale and Welsh Terrier, which I love. Maybe one day I'll be able to commit to one but not now, thats for sure.


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User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 16):
Great companions, make you laugh, make you smile, always there for you, they wait at the door for you to come home, make you happy. They're a lot of work, but worth it IMO. .

Dave...well said!!! Also, it is the unconditional love.....

Phyllis  bouncy 


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting USCGC130 (Reply 17):
Why is it okay to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery, but not okay to shoot an animal to put it out of *my* misery? The way I look at it, as a human being I have higher social standing than a mere dog does.

You and I are *never* going to see eye to eye, so I'll bow out of this discussion now.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

All I can say is that my late dog was a hell of a lot less of a pain in the arse then the girl she replaced.

And she always was happy to see me, would listen to my problems and ate less too.



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25 Planeguy727 : I heart my dog. He is happy constantly (ok maybe not when I go on trips), he has made flight connections in cities I have never seen (MCI), converts n
26 Mdodd : Lol thats good.
27 Post contains images WunalaYann : Quote: "Why Do People Have Dogs?" Because dogs cannot dial 1 800 CHILD ABUSE...
28 USCGC130 : (I said that as a human being, I have higher social standing than a dog.) Which species is intelligent enough to invent the gun with which the shootin
29 USCGC130 : I asked: Why is it okay to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery, but not okay to shoot an animal to put it out of *my* misery? The fact that yo
30 USCGC130 : A colleague of mine, a cat person, once quipped, "The dog is a yes-animal, very popular with people who can't afford to keep a yes-man." But I do tak
31 Kmh1956 : Except for the bit about the bark, you could be describing a spouse or a child as readily as a dog......and I'm not even sure about the bark in some
32 Post contains images David L : Well said. I've known quite a few people who had a dog or a cat they treated as an animated ornament - just no love at all. They don't know what they
33 USCGC130 : What's that got to do with dogs compared to humans? Whether it's okay for humans to shoot one another is another discussion entirely. Again, what's t
34 Kmh1956 : Having read so many of these posts, I am reminded of a study I read several years ago which said something like you can tell how a person will treat o
35 Post contains images Superfly : Ruff Ruff ! ! USCGC130: Not to sound silly or anything but if these dog owners annoy you, perhaps you can take revenge out by taking a dump in the ow
36 BristolFlyer : Without reading every line of every post before me.... - As a stop-gap before becoming parents (at which point the dog normally gets neglected) - As a
37 Post contains images David L : "Suspect"? Of course it is, just as it is with family and friends. There's no logical "reason" to have feelings for them, other than sentiment and em
38 Sv2008 : Neither of mine are, they meow constantly and loudly outside my window to be let in at sunrise every single day. Fine in winter, but currently it's a
39 USCGC130 : It works the other way round, too. A couple of my acquintance had been married for more than a decade and had no children. Since he was pushing fifty
40 Saxdiva : I guess if you're a self-absorbed, sociopathic jerk, this line of logic makes absolute sense. But I sure as hell wouldn't want you living anywhere ne
41 AeroWesty : Wow, not only are you a proponent of vandalism, but you know what goes on in your friend's bedrooms as well. I hope the cops have your number.
42 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : A favorite activity of mine when im on vacation in Poland is to stakeout in my bedroom window in our house in Warsaw with a BB Gun and shoot at stray
43 Post contains images Kunoichi : One can wonder if that was really that intelligent after all. Where's the world peace? If the earth was ruled by dogs, I guarantee you they wouldn't
44 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Are you saying if you could only rescue one life and it would be a dogs or a humans in a fire you wouldnt think the human is worth more? (For the sak
45 STLGph : So, basically you're kind of nuts, eh?
46 DL021 : Because dogs: like beer think farts are funny love you more every day are happy when you bring other dogs home to play the later you are the happier t
47 Post contains images Beaucaire : This is Diane,our female fox-mix-up enjoying the beach in Italy. We rescued her from a crazy hunter who wanted to shoot, her because she did not do a
48 BigOrange : If only George Bush was as quiet as a cat, the country might be in a better state!
49 Nosedive : USCGC130, you were one of those kids who kept "falling down the stairs" as a kid, weren't you?
50 USCGC130 : Since sociopathy by definition deals with how a person relates to other people (i.e., humans), the concept doesn't have much bearing on how I might t
51 Kmh1956 : Welcome to my RU!!!! Charming. What a shame the cats can't be armed so as to defend themselves. How do you treat people who piss you off?
52 USCGC130 : Why do you say that?
53 USCGC130 : Well, given that they *are* married, it strikes me as reasonable to assume that they engage in copulation on a regular basis. It wouldn't do them a l
54 USCGC130 : Actually, we lived in a single-story, suburban ranch house.
55 Saxdiva : Actually, it has everything to do with how you might treat dogs, as others here have already pointed out. See above. I wouldn't let you near the huma
56 AeroWesty : One would hope so! But no, the only reason they decided to have a child was to replace a dog. I know a lot of people with dogs, and a lot of people w
57 USCGC130 : It wasn't your having feelings for your family and friends that I was talking about. It was your overall position in this debate. It isn't arbitrary
58 USCGC130 : *POP!* "REEEEEEOOOOOWWW!" Heh... A friend of mine lived in a cheap, third-floor apartment when he was in college. The windows were over an alley wher
59 Post contains links AeroWesty : No, it's not okay for a human to kill a dog in all circumstances. Remember, the context you've been using is shooting a neighbor's dog to put you out
60 Superfly : Luckily the police will respond WITH a K9 unit IF USCGC130 kills a dog.
61 Post contains images NWA742 : So only older individuals may encompass a desire of companionship from a dog, I see - otherwise it's not "legitimate."    I've never met one person
62 Kmh1956 : I've been re-reading your initial post, and I don't think you're being disturbed by dog barking...I think you're seriously disturbed. This is not a n
63 Post contains images David L : You said my views were based on sentiment and emotion and I said "Well... duh". I guess even that was too cryptic. I should hope not. But it is arbit
64 Post contains images David L : With respect, I am. The individuals in question run Windows - how much more coldly dispassionate can you get? Oh, wait.
65 USCGC130 : If you think it's unlikely that my friends would share such information with me, what makes you so certain that your friends would share the same sor
66 AeroWesty : You never did say that they shared such information with you. It was clear from your post that you either sought the information out, or it was just
67 LOT767-300ER : When I go fishing I put on nightcrawlers on the hook and kill them and use them as bait. Doesnt mean I do that to people. Get over it. That being sai
68 Kmh1956 : If you're sitting in a window, in the middle of the night...how do you know the difference? Do they wear name tags?
69 LOT767-300ER : Our property is fenced by a 2m high hedge/steel fence at the perimeter. Not my fault if they wander in and start pissing on my window and I shoot the
70 Post contains images Fumanchewd : What does that make the kind man who works at the slaughterhouse? [img]http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/states/N.html[img] "Hey Bill
71 Alfa75 : I would have to say dogs are for people who don't have friends and don't have enough money to buy them. Seriously, I like dogs, and if I was home more
72 Post contains images Kunoichi : Where do you see that? I'm just merely saying that a dog's (or any animal's) life is worth as much as yours or mine. But if you really want to get in
73 USCGC130 : I didn't say they'd shared it with me. I pointed out how you claimed I couldn't possibly know their reason for deciding to have a child *unless* they
74 USCGC130 : Yes. Oh, and it's rather unlikely that anyone would be arrested for cruelty to animals in the case of wild rats around a Dumpster, don't you think? I
75 USCGC130 : (LOT767-300ER said his property is surrounded with a 2m-high chain-link fence) Er, I believe his point is that any cats who enter his yard would have
76 Post contains images Freckles : I reckon most people get a dog for this reason alone: but the novelty wears off after a while. If not, it's supposed to be companionship, but most of
77 USCGC130 : Thank you for making my point for me by admitting to (indeed, embracing) your essential irrationality. In the case of educated versus uneducated peop
78 Blackbird : Well, dogs are much quicker to forgive than humans, and they're cuddly and fuzzy. As a kid, I had a dog (as a pet, and my mom got this big moody cat w
79 USCGC130 : Then again, I don't live in a normal neighborhood. Have *you* ever lived someplace where almost everyone has at least one dog, almost no one bothers
80 USCGC130 : We had a German shepherd puppy and a (slightly older) cat when I was a baby. The cat would carry the dog around by the scruff of its neck at first, a
81 Saxdiva : So move, Einstein. It's not rocket science, for chrissakes. You know what? You show all the best signs of being a total fucking nutjob. And I hope to
82 Post contains links and images David L : I didn't "admit" it, I made it very clear from the start. Having emotional attachments to animals and people is not rational or logical. You don't un
83 AeroWesty : Look, it's your Birkenstock-wearing fantasy, not mine. Don't ask me to rationalize what's going on in that mind of yours. Asking some random homo on
84 David L : I really set myself up on that one. Just to clarify, it's about the emotional distress it would cause. I know, that's not rational but there are laws
85 Post contains images Kunoichi : Did I ever say it was alright to kill fish for sports? If you're actually going to eat them and kill them quickly, fine. Those rats were hooked and k
86 Kmh1956 : I do, currently. My immediate neighbor has a Golden Retriever, and the next ones over have 5 dogs...all mutts, in varying shapes and sizes. We have o
87 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : 10 dogs doesnt equal 1 human life in my eyes. 1 Dog=1 Human...thats as idiotic of a statement as Ive heard on these forums in the last 3-4 years. ROF
88 Post contains images NWA742 : USCGC130, I gotta say, it's been quite freaking hilarious watching you go nuts over dogs barking in your neighborhood. Do you have a life? No? Well i
89 Kmh1956 : I'm not going to jump on your ass. Welcome to my RU.
90 Post contains images Kunoichi : I have two dogs myself- one who barks like no other (but at sane hours) and one that practically never barks. No one has considered them a nuisance ye
91 LHboyatDTW : If noise is much of a problem, simply do yourself a favor by either one of these, A) Earplugs B) Buy yourself a parrot. It will cancel out the noise a
92 Post contains images David L : So, a cat's life is regarded as being equal to a human's in Texas, then. And when you consider the life of "my dog" versus the life of a complete str
93 Post contains images 3DoorsDown : I'd rather hang around with dogs than most people I know or care to know. Dogs don't give you attitude, they aren't phony, very loyal and trustworthy.
94 Ebs757 : I love my pug...nicest dog I have ever had. Dog's have been at humans side for a very long time, protecting and making life a little more enjoyable. D
95 USCGC130 : My living where I do isn't the problem. The barking dogs are the problem. Packing up and moving would be a bit drastic, don't you think? Especially c
96 USCGC130 : If I moved there "prior to everyone deciding to get a dog," shouldn't *my* needs/wants/whims take precedence? In case that was a brainfart and you me
97 USCGC130 : " target=_blank>http://www.spcala.com/APS/penalcode.shtml I'm talking about moral justification, not legality. No matter what the law says, I firmly b
98 USCGC130 : Either come up with a more likely explanation, or be man enough to concede the point.
99 USCGC130 : No, I *won't* "deal with it." Dogs that are properly trained, by owners who were themselves brought up properly, don't bark like that. It'd sure be a
100 USCGC130 : I don't think you're man enough to try. Besides, anyone with a lick a'sense would understand that a person who had the balls to kill a neighbor's dog
101 USCGC130 : Has it crossed your mind that perhaps those people were just being nice for the sake of neighborly harmony? If you know that one of your dogs is a co
102 USCGC130 : And you know this...how, exactly?
103 USCGC130 : In the paragraph you quoted, I also mentioned single women living alone. Acknowledging that wouldn't have served your purposes, apparently. The point
104 Kmh1956 : When you looked at the house,l surely the dogs were barking then? If, as you say, they bark at all hours they'd have been making a racket when you vi
105 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : you obviously seem to enjoy misinterpreting words, the dogs were there before you. If dogs were so much of a problem, then why did you even consider
106 Kunoichi : He's 10- don't you think that's crossed our mind? This is a breed known for its loud and stubborn barking. We asked the neighbor if this was okay wit
107 USCGC130 : I didn't say they bark "at all hours." I said that often, they'll bark for hours at a time. I've lived there for eight years. The dogs weren't a prob
108 USCGC130 : Only a couple; not most of them, and particularly not the three dogs from hell I wrote about most recently. Because they *weren't* a factor when I mo
109 Kmh1956 : Did you even read your own profile? Nope. Dogs bark. It's what they do....whether out of boredom, excitement or to warn homeowners of an intruder. It
110 Post contains images A332 : I have a dog because I feel it's a great stepping stone to eventually being able to raise kids... if that makes any sense. She requires all the love a
111 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : First of all, they were there first. You failed to take that factor into consideration. If you thought of that, you probably would've (err SHOULD hav
112 Post contains images David L : And why do you think the law says what it says? Just to annoy you? Do you think you have the "moral justification" to pick and choose which laws to o
113 USCGC130 : Horse genitals. Barking dogs weren't an issue when I looked at the house prior to purchase, nor for for several months after I bought the place. In a
114 USCGC130 : Hmm. I guess some people are simply more emotionally self-sufficient than others. I like dogs, and I life people. But I don't need either all the tim
115 USCGC130 : Certainly. It's a fact of life that bad laws are disregarded. That's why I drive 75-80 MPH on the freeway even though the speed limit is 65, for exam
116 USCGC130 : No. Why would I? More to the point, why would I assume that you'd bothered to? And why should I believe you if you claimed to have? I suspect that ra
117 Post contains images David L : It is the very point of the discussion. I put foward a suggestion of what you can do if the dogs are annoying you and that's your "rational" argument
118 Kmh1956 : Actually, I was more curious about your age. I figure you for a much younger person....all bravado and mouth. Imagine my surprise when I discovered y
119 Post contains images David L : The thread starter seems to think he's "won" the argument and everyone else is "trying (in vain) to preserve some semblance of dignity" - I must be r
120 Kmh1956 : That's why I checked his profile to see how old he was...I figured him to be a teenager.
121 Post contains images David L : And he may be. After all, he thinks I'm from Edinburgh.
122 ZakHH : Well, his "Nuke Mecca" thread is history, hopefully like himself soon. In MilAv, this gentleman shows vivid interest into military aircraft, asking qu
123 USCGC130 : Curious, that. The description of this forum in the index contains a warning that topics in here are sometimes controversial and discussion sometimes
124 USCGC130 : I didn't say you were from Edinburgh. I said it wouldn't surprise me if you were.
125 USCGC130 : Those observations were directed to a specific poster. Then again, I *would* say I'm winning. I haven't yet seen a cogent 'n' compelling rebuttal to
126 Kmh1956 : yeah.....that would be me. Of course you would, dear.
127 ORFflyer : Except for thread bumping, and flamebait, you're right, no other rules violated that I can see. But between your views here, and in the other thread
128 Post contains images Superfly : As I stated in the deleted Mecca thread, USCGC130 is displaying severe anti-social tendancies and we don't want to read about this guy going on a ramp
129 San747 : Out of curiousity, are you a NIMBY? You know, a person who owns a really nice house usually near an airport or a park or an industrial area that's be
130 Post contains images David L : It was just a "well read" guess? Yeah Riiight. Well, it wouldn't surprise me if you were from Boulder Creek, CA. Cough... splutter... you've got to b
131 Post contains images Superfly : At the time it was. I had no idea how crazy this thread would turn. Well Roger Waters said; The lunatic is on the grass The lunatic is on the grass T
132 ZakHH : Asking to nuke innocent people is uncivil. Feel free to re-open your thread, including this statement. I'm sure a lot of people will just LOVE to see
133 USCGC130 : If there were a rule against thread bumping, threads would be locked once they reached a certain age so that no one could contribute to them any long
134 Post contains links CastleIsland : 19. Do not 'bump' threads back to the top to elicit a response. Where this occurs the thread will be deleted. Source: http://www.airliners.net/discus
135 San747 : They do when a thread has reached a certain level of inactivity. Bumping is taking a thread that is obviously dying, and simply posting something unc
136 Superfly : CastleIsland: Well this thread never fell off the front page with repeated post by him but the multiple back to back post by him was a bit strange. At
137 USCGC130 : I was responding to various people who'd posted during the night, while I was away. What's so strange about that? Don't you do the same? Oh, get over
138 San747 : Likewise.
139 USCGC130 : I have nothing or no one to get over, thanks. I stated my position calmly and rationally enough. It's several others who are losing their tempers, be
140 Post contains images ORFflyer : There is - below is a good reference. Keep reading - basis proven. Anyone? Really?? You're a psychic now? This is the part I was talking about. Castl
141 Post contains images David L : Yes, you stated "calmly and rationally" that you decide which laws apply to you and that you think it's OK to kill someone's pet just because it anno
142 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : Nah, your ass would be fined and possibly sued (at least in this part of TX) Always thought SD meant Self delete..... Indeed, And if the first though
143 LHboyatDTW : Oh what. Now you're saying that because you moved there, everybody decided to buy a dog just for the sole purpose of pissing you off? I'm not turning
144 Post contains images San747 : That works too...
145 USCGC130 : No, I'm not. And I daresay it's rather self-serving of you to suggest that I am. Well, seeing as how I'm a former flight engineer, not to mention the
146 ORFflyer : When you entered "Male" in your profile. And from the posts in this thread, it appears that most of us feel the same about you.
147 USCGC130 : Why do you think I care whether you believe me when I say I never consulted your profile? You're so desperate to score any points off of me that you
148 USCGC130 : Me, neither. It's amazing (and entertaining) how irrationmal and emotionally volatile so many of the participants are. Involvement in an aviation-rel
149 Post contains images Kmh1956 : Cute!! Can you think of anything more irritating to an argumentative attention-seeker like this than to be ignored? So, I'm outta here. No..this is n
150 USCGC130 : Balderdash. Discussing an idea in the abstract, whatever the topic, is not uncivil. Civility is a matter of how one addresses the other participants
151 USCGC130 : One, I didn't bump the thread back to the top to elicit a response. I bumped the thread back to the top to contribute a valid and relevant addition t
152 USCGC130 : (I said the moderators don't lock old threads.) Do you believe that's what I did? Your next passage would seem to indicate that you don't: So then wha
153 USCGC130 : The thread in question hadn't been locked, so your reference is, sadly, irrelevant. No psychic abilities required, only a Google search. That's how I
154 USCGC130 : Yes, that's true. You may not like the conclusion I came to, but that hardly means it wasn't arrived at calmly and rationally. Rationality doesn't im
155 ORFflyer : Yes - afraid you might reproduce. Like KMH1956 - I'm done with you. Bye-Bye!!
156 USCGC130 : I'll take that as a tacit admission of defeat.
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