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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1945 times:

My old unit (an F/A-18 squadron) recently deployed. Two FEMALE members decided to get pregnant a week before cruise. THAT, my friends, is complete and utter abuse of the system. It is a rampant issue that the military has to deal with because groups like the ACLU would have a field day if the Navy tried to prosecute these women. Up and down the flight line, squadrons deploying usually encounter one or two women having children to avoid being deployed.

I feel sorry for the kids and also feel sorry for the women who serve honorably and don't pull stunts like the two above did.

--
Chris in VA

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1940 times:

I'm guessing this is just a rant?

Justifiable of course.

However, there are MALE members of the military that try strange, bizarre, stupid crap to attempt to avoid deployment.


User currently offlineSaturnVRocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1929 times:

hmmm....

Well it's not like there's a law somewhere that says you can't get knocked up before a deployment. I mean I don't think there is anyway...

Yeah it's lame but what the hell are you going to do? The only way you could prosecute this is if you made a law banning fertile women from getting pregnant if they are in the military.


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1921 times:

Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineSaturnVRocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.

Since I can't read your facial expressions or hear the tone of your voice I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But the reality is there are so many women in the military who take their jobs very seriously and are damn good at what they do. I was in the Air Force and I knew a few of them. We can't let a few losers ruin it for all the good ones. You have to realize just as ANCFlyer said, men will do some DUMB shit to get out of deployments as well.


User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
However, there are MALE members of the military that try strange, bizarre, stupid crap to attempt to avoid deployment.

Seen it and it pisses me off big time

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl  You're kidding right (STFU)

WrenchBender



Silly Pilot, Tricks are for kids.......
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1907 times:

I just read about a guy who is using the court to avoid his 4th or 5th deployment on Sunday. Ha. I have read 2 other news stories about a guy here in the burbs and another MALE not wanting to be deployed for some reason. One was discharged also.

So you have females who can become pregnant. You also have females who serve honorably. You have males who serve honorably and you damn sure have males who are stra8 pansies when "deployment" comes about.

There are good and bad apples in both genders in the military.


User currently offlineSaturnVRocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 6):
There are good and bad apples in both genders in the military.

AMEN!!!!!


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

If you do NOT want to be deployed, don't join the military.


A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.

Just like black people and women shouldn't race the National Association of Simple-Minded Chauvinists and Racists zoom-zoom cars? Am I right?

Welcome to the 21st century, pally.

[Edited 2007-07-14 21:58:33]

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7129 posts, RR: 87
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.

 footinmouth 

Thanks for the laugh though!

 rotfl 


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quote:
Since I can't read your facial expressions or hear the tone of your voice I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But the reality is there are so many women in the military who take their jobs very seriously and are damn good at what they do. I was in the Air Force and I knew a few of them. We can't let a few losers ruin it for all the good ones. You have to realize just as ANCFlyer said, men will do some DUMB shit to get out of deployments as well.

While I agree there are some excellent women in the military that do an outstanding job, I think the military should be all male. When a woman is given a little bit of power, it goes to their head. I also agree that some men do some outrageous shit to get out of deployments.

Quote:
Just like black people and women shouldn't race the National Association of Simple-Minded Chauvinists and Racists zoom-zoom cars? Am I right?

Welcome to the 21st century, pally.

Are you implying I am a racist? If so, you have no idea what you are talking about. I make one statement and get hammered. Unbelievable.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 11):
Are you implying I am a racist?

No. That's what a lot of northerners think of NASCAR. It's like a closed society. Just good ol' boys pretending that they're still hauling hooch. The only ones that can come and play are those whose daddies were drivers and those who are invited into the fold.


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Quote:
No. That's what a lot of northerners think of NASCAR. It's like a closed society. Just good ol' boys pretending that they're still hauling hooch. The only ones that can come and play are those whose daddies were drivers and those who are invited into the fold.

Alright man, I misunderstood your message. I am aware that "some" Northerners think that about Nascar however some of Nascar's greatest fans are from the North. Several buddies of mine fly down for every race in Daytona are from PA and are HUGE fans. My driver (Tony Stewart) is from Indiana and their are also several drivers from the North. I viewed your profile and saw you live in WI. Matt Kenseth is from Cambridge, WI. Theirs good and bad fans in Nascar just like any sport.

BTW, Their aint nothing wrong with Red tails! Big grin

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineSaturnVRocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 11):
When a woman is given a little bit of power, it goes to their head.

I'm not sure if you ever served in the military but this is a problem with men as well. My First Sergeant was a female. She was the one who did our dorm inspections and disciplined the airmen for acting out of line. She was an EXCELLENT First Sergeant. And she was definitely in a position of power. She didn't put up with any bullshit, yet she was extremely fair and she looked out for us at the same time. I owe her one, she got my ass out of trouble once. I have all the respect in the world for our military but damn some of the NCO's (and right now I'm talking about men) are retards. You can tell some of these asswipes were picked on a lot in school and they take it out on the lower ranking guys.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3076 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Racist...No.....misogynistic chauvanistic pig...well oink oink....that is what you are...

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
However, there are MALE members of the military that try strange, bizarre, stupid crap to attempt to avoid deployment.

Like this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289314,00.html


User currently offlineSaturnVRocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 16):
Like this?

Wow.


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quote:
misogynistic chauvanistic pig...well oink oink....that is what you are...

Define that term and show proof.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Sickening is what those chicks did. If you make your bed you damn well better lay in it. They should be cort marshalled in my opinion if it can be proven that they were intentional. Either that or get them back ou8t of the cockpit all together. What a riot. The other side is if us men learn shortly before headding out that we are going to be dads it is no excuse. So as far as I am concerned there is valid reason to kick woman out of the combat cockpit all together.


There is plenty of room for Gods animals, right next to the mashed potatoes!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
Racist...No.....misogynistic chauvanistic pig...well oink oink....that is what you are...

Well Done Copper!

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 16):
Like this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,....html

Yup - like that . . .

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 18):
Define that term and show proof.

 Wow!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogynistic

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 18):
show proof



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.

Next?


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quote:
misogynistic chauvanistic pig...well oink oink....that is what you are...

I make 1 comment and "certain" users think I'm a woman hater. Your 100% wrong buddy. Next time get your facts straight.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Well, they aren't pilots. They are maintenance personnel. That is a moot point though. Anyone with half a brain knows that these girls got pregnant to avoid deployment. In fact, one did so around the same time we went on deployment last year. It's just sickening to me to think that they think having a kid is an option to not deploy. While the rest of the unit deploys, these women sit back at home, sleep in their own beds at night, get paid MORE for having an additional dependent, and then get decorated with their unit as if they were ON the ship supporting combat operations! It's an outrage!

I personally did my time and I am in the process of getting out of the military. Never did I consider trying to circumvent the system. Having a child is literally a get out of jail free card for women in the military. I'm not saying completely deny them reproductive rights, but what I am saying is that defining where and WHEN they can is completely justifiable.

Something like not allowing women to get pregnant within 90 days of a deployment cycle, or, in the Navy's case, not at ALL while on a sea tour; or, even better, to "obliserve" and extend women's enlistment contracts to make up for time lost who break the policy. It's not like they didn't know they were going on cruise. We even had a girl get pregnant ON CRUISE last year. The Navy (i.e. the taxpayer) had to pay for here trip back home to the US, which happened immediately when she tested positive.

It's a MAJOR issue, and I hope someone in DC is working on the problem - since I'm a taxpayer, and all. These bad apples are raping the system outright, there's no denying it. With that said, I've come across from awesome women in the military who know their jobs inside and out and wouldn't throw their reproductive rights around like these women did.


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 21):
Next time get your facts straight.

Uhhhh, based on this thread, what other facts are there, than the things you've said?? Here:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
Perfect example why women do not need to serve in the U.S. Military. Its a mans job.



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 11):
While I agree there are some excellent women in the military that do an outstanding job, I think the military should be all male. When a woman is given a little bit of power, it goes to their head.

Not saying you're a woman hater, but you can't blame people for thinking that way after you've said the above quotes.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quote:
Uhhhh, based on this thread, what other facts are there, than the things you've said?? Here:



Quote:
Not saying you're a woman hater, but you can't blame people for thinking that way after you've said the above quotes.

I stated a personel opinion that I dont think women should serve in the U.S. Military. I'm not going to change my opinion to make others happy. Certain people jump to conclusions way to quick.

-Delta767300ER


25 AsstChiefMark : What do you think of women as firefighters, cops, and US politicians?
26 Post contains images NWA742 : You mean like getting pregnant? Ah come on Dan - this is still A.net. Use the wrong smilie icon and one way or another, someone will complain. Don't
27 Greasespot : I can only form an opinion on what is posted.....You said it not me....Now you do not like it when you are challenged......Perhaps it is because a wo
28 Delta767300ER : I have worked closely with women as Firefighters, and Law Enforcement Officers over the last few years. I have no objection. Ya man thats true. I wil
29 Greasespot : you filler more filler even more filler
30 SaturnVRocket : Which law did they break? You do realize of course that in order to be court martialed you have to have broken one or more of the UCMJ laws, don't yo
31 Delta767300ER : I have never had a woman take a job that I applied for or anything related to that. I did not realize until your last post that you are a woman but t
32 Post contains images Greasespot : Yeah...if they get pregnant make them get abortions... gs
33 Delta767300ER : Oh boy. That will stir up a Hornets nest if some of the Evangelicals come in here. If you think I'm bad, they are a Hell of a lot worse. -Delta767300
34 N710PS : What they did sucks but until you pass some sort of law banning women from getting pregnant in the military then there's no argument. They didn't brea
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