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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Anyone remember this incident?

5 Kids Set A Dog On Fire... (by NWA742 Jul 13 2007 in Non Aviation)

Well, apparently a couple teen girls decide to do this to a 8 week old kitten.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13708685/detail.html?rss=dgo&psp=news

I'm starting to question the outcome of youths (< 18), this is getting ridiculous.


Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Sad, someone should pour gasoline on them and light a match. See how they like the way it feels. I hope they do some time.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting JakeOrion (Thread starter):
I'm starting to question the outcome of youths (< 18), this is getting ridiculous.

It fits nicely together with what people did with "surplus" kittens in the past: throw them in a sack and throw it in the river. Being screwed up isn't reserved to adults.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
someone should pour gasoline on them and light a match.

So are you volunteering or what?

typo edited

[Edited 2007-07-19 16:24:33]


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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
It fits nicely together with what people did with "surplus" kittens in the past: throw them ina sack and throw it in the river. Being screwed up isn't reserved to adults.

Damn, you got me there, good point.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting JakeOrion (Thread starter):
I'm starting to question the outcome of youths (< 18), this is getting ridiculous.

So this is what they are doing with the time they're not having sex and/or getting pregnant Silly



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21880 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

The girls are being held in Sonoma County's Juvenile Hall. The maximum penalty carried by the charges against them is three years of confinement.

And I hope they get every last day of it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

How long before 777236ER turns up and says "kids will be kids" or something to that extent.

This is revolting.

Horrible people. However, a line must be drawn: at least it wasn't a human being.

Alex


User currently offlineUnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
at least it wasn't a human being.

You can't really look at it like that. It WILL one day become a human being, and that is why cases like this should be treated as if the victim was a human. These girls obviously had no heart for a living creature, no matter how defenseless, and tortured it to the cruelest extent.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

WTF is going on?  Wow!
This is just horrible!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
So this is what they are doing with the time they're not having sex and/or getting pregnant

Well you did start a thread boasting about abstaining teens as if it was a good thing or something. When I was a teenager, we were too busy having sex, drinking and smoking weed instead of burning cats & dogs.



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

As I wrote in 5 Kids Set A Dog On Fire... (by NWA742 Jul 13 2007 in Non Aviation)
"The two things that really get me angry: animal and child abuse".

However, for some children I might be tempted to make an exception.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
How long before 777236ER turns up and says "kids will be kids" or something to that extent.

That is a little unfair. There was nothing to that effect from said member in 5 Kids Set A Dog On Fire... (by NWA742 Jul 13 2007 in Non Aviation)

I hope the kitten pulls through and gets to go to a loving home.

Robert



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User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
It fits nicely together with what people did with "surplus" kittens in the past: throw them in a sack and throw it in the river. Being screwed up isn't reserved to adults.

It doesn't really though. People did that, not because they wanted to see an animal suffer, but because the cats would starve otherwise. These girls just wanted to see something hurt. This is pathology, not utility.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
This is revolting.

Horrible people. However, a line must be drawn: at least it wasn't a human being.

Cruelty against animals and then humans can of course be compared, and to an extent they should, but they are not the same. If that were the case, there would be no industrialised animal production like we know it (or prefer not to know it) today.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
When I was a teenager, we were too busy having sex, drinking and smoking weed instead of burning cats & dogs.

You never cease to surprise, sir!

Quoting Nancy (Reply 10):
It doesn't really though.

Good point, the motives are different. The lack of consideration for the animal's well-being is what is not.

[Edited 2007-07-19 17:27:09]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 11):
Cruelty against animals and then humans can of course be compared, and to an extent they should, but they are not the same.

There are more than a few studies that indicate one may lead to the other.

At least they proved that being messed up wasn't reserved for guys.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 12):
At least they proved that being messed up wasn't reserved for guys.

We do seem to be a hell of a lot more effective at it, though... most unfortunately.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
someone should pour gasoline on them and light a match.

So are you volunteering or what?

I still want to know, BTW.

[Edited 2007-07-19 17:37:30]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Something like this happened in my town last week, too. These two college kids were drunk out of their minds and decided to compile a few guinea pigs, hamsters, and a puppy into a duffel bag. One them had had some sort of explosive device, which he strapped to the top of the bag. They threw it out in the middle of the road, yelled, "Clear!" and detonated it.

I have zero tolerance for this kind of garbage.



If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Were those Michael Vick's kids?  sarcastic 

Disturbing, revolting and sad to say the least.



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Wow. When I saw the title of this thread, I assumed it was a joke because of what just happened with the dog.

It really makes me hate my generation, and gives the entire < 18 youth a very bad image. 3 years just doesn't seem like near enough time.



[Edited 2007-07-19 18:15:15]


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Kitten set on fire by teenagers an outrage, steak on plate tonight a tasty dinner. I'm loving the ongoing selective concern with animal cruelty in this country!


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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 17):
steak on plate tonight a tasty dinner. I'm loving the ongoing selective concern with animal cruelty in this country!

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In the past week I have burned a cow and chicken. I have also thrown live mussels into a pot where they were steamed to death. And I enjoy taking a live lobster, stabbing it in the head and then throwing it into a pot of boiling water. Should I be set ablaze becuase of that? Thrown in jail? Not to condone such activity, but you folks really need to get a grip on reality.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 17):
Kitten set on fire by teenagers an outrage, steak on plate tonight a tasty dinner. I'm loving the ongoing selective concern with animal cruelty in this country!

......so you think there is no difference as to how the animals are killed?

..burning an animal is immensely painful....and it takes a long time before the animal dies..slaughtering an animal is "instantaneous" and once the nerve is severed (which is micro-seconds) its painless....there is a big difference....but lets not let some facts get in the way.....



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 16):

It really makes me hate my generation, and gives the entire < 18 youth a very bad image. 3 years just doesn't seem like near enough time.

"Your generation", eh? I've heard enough stories from older relatives of myself and others about blowing up cats, dogs, slugs, fish, etc. with M-80s when they were kids to know that these "something is wrong with the current generation" cries are a bunch of crap. Kids have probably been doing sadistic shit like this since the dawn of time, and frankly, I don't see how it's any more outrageous than what the guy at the slaughterhouse is doing to your future dinner right now. Most humans take part in or are accessories to violence against non-human animals, nothing new here.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 18):
In the past week I have burned a cow and chicken. I have also thrown live mussels into a pot where they were steamed to death. And I enjoy taking a live lobster, stabbing it in the head and then throwing it into a pot of boiling water. Should I be set ablaze becuase of that? Thrown in jail? Not to condone such activity, but you folks really need to get a grip on reality.

Do note however, that mine is a vegetarian perspective.  Wink



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User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 18):
you folks really need to get a grip on reality.

Not see the difference between killing an animal for food, and setting a 8 week kitten on fire?
Hmmmmm.

This is awful, who'd do that?
Eurgh.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting Freckles (Reply 21):
Not see the difference between killing an animal for food, and setting a 8 week kitten on fire?
Hmmmmm.

Let's see...the "animal for food" got hung upside down, disemboweled while alive, cut up into marketable portions, packaged, shipped to a market, and purchased at your local butcher before it got set on fire? Is that what you were looking for?

Oh, that, and kittens are cute, cuddly, and somehow less worthy recipients of calouse brutality than cows, pigs, chicken and fish in our society.

Other than that, I don't see the difference.

http://www.meetyourmeat.com

[Edited 2007-07-19 18:44:46]


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User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 22):
Let's see...the "animal for food" didn't get hung upside down, disemboweled while alive, cut up into marketable portions, packaged, shipped to a market, and purchased at your local butcher before it got set on fire? Is that what you were looking for?

Meat which is killed is normally killed in the most painless way for the animal, because that's the way they do it. Setting something on fire would obviously harm an animal. I am really not an animal lover, and to be honest yes, it probably is cruel to some people that cows/sheep/pigs etc are killed that way but i enjoy eating the meat and am not about to give up eating it, but i just don't think it's fair for an 8 week year old kitten to be set on fire down to some stupid girls wanting a laugh.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting Freckles (Reply 23):
Meat which is killed is normally killed in the most painless way for the animal, because that's the way they do it.

Bullshit, but thank you for responding. Did you watch the video?

Quoting Freckles (Reply 23):
Setting something on fire would obviously harm an animal.

And killing it "in the most painless way" doesn't?

Quoting Freckles (Reply 23):
but i just don't think it's fair for an 8 week year old kitten to be set on fire down to some stupid girls wanting a laugh.

Neither do I. I just don't see how it's fair for any animal to live a miserable life ending in brutal slaughter just because you "love eating meat" and "aren't about to give up eating it."

Not meant to be a personal attack, just trying to make you think about it for a second.



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25 Freckles : So you don't eat meat? Fair enough. Sorry if i offended you by saying that, i guess we just have different opinions, i just think it's really sick of
26 Airfoilsguy : I think what these kids did was awful but do we really need to spend $20,000 to $30,000 on a cat? I think the money would be better spent on rehabilit
27 Post contains images Superfly : I can't stand cats but I would never kill one for entertainment. I would never kill a cat period. I find cows to be very cute animals and they look b
28 Post contains images RobK : They should round the little bitches up and I'll gladly volunteer to set fire to them and watch them scream and suffer helplessly, with absolutely no
29 Aloges : I agree. Did you really think before you posted that? So... they set fire to one kitten. You say you'd set fire to two girls. How does that come into
30 Post contains images WellHung : So if they shot the kitten in the head instead - you'd be ok with that? It doesn't. He's judge, jury and executioner. [Edited 2007-07-19 19:51:19]
31 Gunsontheroof : Not at all. I'm just making it known that I find it very confusing that people express so much outrage over this animal's suffering but none over the
32 JakeOrion : Being shot in the head is one thing, as your chances of dying quickly from it are very high, but being slowly burned to death? I too do not agree wit
33 Airfoilsguy : The cost of his care and medical attention at the shelter would normally cost between $20,000 and $30,000, she said. Anybody interested in contributin
34 Deskflier : This is what You get when You let both parents go to work. My point being, this is the ultimate cry to be seen. Adults today are so concerned with ma
35 Aloges : Excuse me?! Both my mother and my father worked full time during almost my entire childhood, we had a housekeeper/nanny and I've never set fire to an
36 Post contains images Superfly : Let? Are you saying that government should bar two parents from working? So far we don't know what the parents are thinking about this. I'll bet that
37 Post contains images Freckles : I'm sorry but i just don't think i could live without meat - complete carnivore - but people started to eat meat like beef a long, long time ago, so
38 Post contains images Jacobin777 : it still might not die quickly.....
39 Post contains images Superfly : I just LOVE a woman with a healthy appetite for meat! Seriously though, we didn't get to the top of the food chain by eating tree bark and tofu.
40 Post contains images Gunsontheroof : Vegetarians taste better. Don't knock my sandwiches, 'fly.
41 Post contains images Superfly : I am sure they do. (popular bumper sticker here in SFO).
42 Post contains images Delta767300ER : This is sick. I can't believe anyone would do this do a little kitten. 3 years is NOT enough time. They should be sentenced to death. Send them to the
43 ZKSUJ : Sick sick sick. What an absolutely disgusting way to treat any being let alone a baby defenceless kitten. They should be absolutely ashamed of themsel
44 Mir : Here's the difference between the two scenarios: while slaughtering a cow may be a cruel thing to do, there is some good that comes of it, in that it
45 UnknownUser : I'm pretty sure it is not that much. Most of the stuff is being donated from shelters. Does the high school Spanish club really need to raise $10,000
46 Gunsontheroof : Point taken, I'd just argue about the "necessity" of the first evil (at least in the developed world where it's not very difficult to get by without
47 ThePRGuy : Well, unless his posts were deleted or it was a thread of a similar type, he effectively said "boys will be boys". Sorry, that is a completely differ
48 Post contains images Halcyon : There are a lot of animals where I live that would eat me first, anyway. One is a sad necessity normal in nature and our very selves, and the other i
49 WellHung : Before I respond to your infantile entry, kindly explain what you mean by 'you lot'.
50 ThePRGuy : Infantile hardly - you just disagree with the frankly valid points. Human > Wickle Animals get it into your head. Alex
51 WellHung : Alex, you still have not defined 'you lot'. I can't respond accurately until I know what I'm responding to. I hope the PR in your name doesn't stand
52 Saxdiva : Damn kitten probably wouldn't stop meowing. Signed, USCGC130
53 Blackbird : Animal cruelty, particulalry to mammals, particularly for fun... is a very good indicator that they'll graduate to humans. Andrea K
54 SaturnVRocket : LMAO!!!! I think somebody has a small peepee!!!!
55 Post contains images WunalaYann : Ok, it's saturday morning so I will volunteer to play sick b*stard for once... *cough* I guess it brings an all new dimension to the phrase "p*ssy on
56 Legoguy : I think people are showing outrage here over the fact setting fire to the kitten was pointless. The suffering was pointless. Killing an animal for fo
57 Post contains images WunalaYann : Ouch. But there is some truth to that statement.
58 MDorBust : Ones that were alive? Is it safe to assume that you then proceeded to the eating portion? Stabbed it in it's tiny little brain right? There by instan
59 WellHung : Yes. I don't eat from animals that weren't alive. Well, the kitten didn't die, so your question/point is moot. Does this apply to humans, as well? Wh
60 MDorBust : When you burned them? No, they probably weren't You didn't burn a cow. You burned the processed meat product of a long dead cow. Same thing with the
61 PureKiwi : I find those coments extremely offensive and similar to saying "If you let americans or swedes into your home they will mug you". It's not true and e
62 Ryan h : As a cat owner stories like that sicken me. Anyone who deliberately hurts a cat should have a bigger cat (ie Lion, Tiger etc) do the same to them.
63 Sevenair : They should bring back caning in to schools. I think this is one of the main reasons why countries (particularly the UK) are going to the dump because
64 Post contains images Scbriml : We have feelings too! Signed, The Vegetables. Dude, you need to join the 21st century. Are you serious? While not condoning what these girls did in a
65 Nkops : Please tell me you are kidding??? Both my parents worked full-time jobs, I never set anything on fire (well, except the house once, but that was an a
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