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Helmet Law: Yay Or Nay?  
User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Does your state/country mandate wearing a helmet on a motorcycle? It's irrefutable that helmets do save lives, but do you think the government should force it down your throat? My state only requires helmets for riders on a learner's permit or for those under 18.

While not mandatory for me I'll wear one unless I'm making a quick trip on city streets at speeds of 35 MPH or less. Since I ride a Harley I get chided a little for it when I'm with a group but I just feel naked without it.

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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

In Florida, it is optional. IMO, you gotta be nuts to ride a bike in Miami.

What I question is if you are allowed to ride without a helmet, why do I have to wear a seat belt in my car?


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

I say no. We have too many stupid people in the world today, and stupid people are the ones who ride without helmets, and are thus more likely to be taken out of the gene pool.

Mandating helmets will only ensure that more idiots live to reproduce.
 no 


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

In principle, I don't think that State government should be able to force someone to wear a helmet. However, I don't want to pay a premium for my auto insurance because people ride around without helmets. So, since I have no option of paying less because I don't ride a motorcycle without a helmet (or at all), I'm for helmet laws.

User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Since you bring up insurance premiums that could create an interesting option for motorcycle insurance. An option where you could pay less for your cycle insurance but you must wear a helmet. If you're involved in a crash and helmetless your policy wouldn't pay for any medical costs.

User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Thread starter):
Does your state/country mandate wearing a helmet on a motorcycle?

In Ohio, you are required to wear a helmet for ONE full year after you get your endorsement. After that it's optional.
On the other hand, it is mandatory for your passenger to wear a helmet at all times.


Personally, i wear my helmet ALL the time. Even if it's a 1 min. ride to the store doing 10 mph.


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

In Bermuda, they're mandatory...and our speed limit is 35kph. I'm all in favor of helmet laws...

Quoting Checkraiser (Thread starter):
I'll wear one unless I'm making a quick trip on city streets at speeds of 35 MPH or less

So, when you get hit by some bozo who thinks that the 35MPH speed limit doesn't apply to him, and hits you at about 70MPH? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that an impact speed of 105MPH? I think you'll regret not wearing the helmet that day...if your brains aren't all over the sidewalk, that is.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 1):
What I question is if you are allowed to ride without a helmet, why do I have to wear a seat belt in my car?

This is what I think as well. They should be the same, and I vote for requiring a helmet rather than not requiring seat belt.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Helmet laws should be Mandatory.
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MEL



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User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 6):
So, when you get hit by some bozo who thinks that the 35MPH speed limit doesn't apply to him, and hits you at about 70MPH? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that an impact speed of 105MPH?

If it's a head on crash then you're right. And in that case, you're not going to survive, helmet or not. That would likely kill you if you were in a small car.


User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1615 times:

Nay, it should be your choice. If you want to reduce your chance of surviving a crash thats your choice.


Tom



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1611 times:

Wearing a helmet is mandatory here in Germany, and that's good so.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 5):
Personally, i wear my helmet ALL the time. Even if it's a 1 min. ride to the store doing 10 mph.

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I do the same, even if I only ride to the cigarette automat at the end of the street.

Patrick


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1606 times:

I'm a hypocrite. I think people who don't wear helmets are foolish. Yet, I don't wear a helmet. Granted, all I have is a 125 cc scooter (licensed as a motorcycle), but it cruises at 55 mph.

I'm adamant when it comes to seat belts. I think the Wisconsin legislature needs to grow a pair and make a seat belt violation a full-fledged moving violation with a hefty fine and points.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1594 times:

Resounding YES.

If you've never peeled someone's head off a tree because they weren't wearing a helmet . . . then you have no way to understand . . . .

Last summer, July in fact, an older gent riding his Harley along the Richardson Highway . . . missed a turn. No helmet. Skull crushed against a birch tree. No other life threatening injuries, no broken bones, no internal problems, no nothing. Just no head left.

Helmet Law . . .  yes 

Period.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1583 times:

..just like seatbelt saves lives, helmets saves lives too...it should be a law..growing up in Illinois, I've never understood why there aren't mandatory helmet laws...I've seen one-too many "jack-heads" "hot-dogging" around their bikes w/out helmets, especially right now during the summer.

When I had my motorcycles (1973 Yamaha RD-250 and 1974 Norton 750 Commando-I haven't had a motorcycle in about 12-13 years), I always wore my helmet, even if it was for a 5 minute ride... yes ......

It's nice to know its mandatory here in California.. yes 



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User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1571 times:

My state requires them, although I frequently see idiots buzzing around on 1100cc sport bikes with no helmet, t-shirt, and shorts. Even stupider are the Harley "badasses" who wear those little half-helmets that wouldn't protect anything just to get around the law. I can't imagine getting on a bike without a helmet and at the very least long sleeves and pants, if not riding leathers.

Having said that, it's not the role of the state to protect stupid people from themselves. Helmet laws should be repealed. So should laws that force insurance companies to cover medical expenses for people regardless of whether they wear helmets, etc. Let the insurance companies charge more if people want coverage to ride helmetless.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1568 times:

Washington State has a mandatory helmet law (Thank god!) that I voted for.

Arizona, on the other hand, does not. Makes me real uncomfortable when driving alongside or passing a motorcycle. If they don't wear a helmet in a crash, thats their choice and I am not calling 911, seriously! Not wearing a helmet is endangering your life, plain and simple.

(yes, I expect to get flamed for this.  Smile)



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1568 times:

I have no idea if they are required, but I always wear mine anyway. I look at is as prevention as well as protection. My helment has a few scars where rocks from from a passing truck has hit it. Had I not been wearing one, the rock could have caused me to have an accident.

I agree with the idea that insurance companies should be able to put a helmet clause in the policies. Basically, if you agree to wear a helmet, you pay a lower rate. If you then have an accident where you were found not wearing the helmet, you are not covered. Further, I think states should be able to limit the amount of aid given to accident victims who did not wear seatbelts or helmets. If you will not take reasonable steps to protect yourself, you should not expect unlimited aid for it.



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User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1554 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 15):
Even stupider are the Harley "badasses" who wear those little half-helmets that wouldn't protect anything just to get around the law.

Why is it "stupider" to wear a half-helmet than none at all? They don't offer any face protection but they do cover your brain. When it's too hot for a full-face this is what I opt for.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
Further, I think states should be able to limit the amount of aid given to accident victims who did not wear seatbelts or helmets.

In Wisconsin seatbelt usage is not allowed to be introduced into evidence at a personal injury trial. If a victim wasn't wearing a seatbelt the award is reduced to 15% of the original amount.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3462 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1551 times:

In the US, no. If people want to stupid and ride without a helmet, let them get hurt and they'll have to pay their own medical bill. In Canada Yes for helmet laws. Why should I pay with my taxes for medical care because some person isn't wearing a helmet? It really makes me upset to hear about bike accidents where the rider is doing 200KM/H and gets in a crash with a truck. The truck driver is fine, the biker is near death due to head injury. Yep, in hospital and I'm paying for it!


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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1538 times:

I do agree that helmet use should be mandatory. Unnecessary hospitlizations cost us all in the form of higher healthcare costs-whether it's insurance premiums or lost worker productivity. In Arizona, helmet use is only mandatory for persons under the age of 18. IIRC, my former home state of Tennessee has a mandatory helmet law. Motorcycle crash deaths were somewhat rare there, no doubt due to the law.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1537 times:
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Helmets are mandatory here and I don't see what the fuss is about. Seatbelts have been mandatory for years and no one whines, just wear the damned helmet or don't ride a bike.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 20):
In Arizona, helmet use is only mandatory for persons under the age of 18.

I didnt know that. Thats new to me/

Quoting Andz (Reply 21):
Helmets are mandatory here and I don't see what the fuss is about.

I hear people here in Arizona complain about the heat in the summer if they are forced to wear one.

Bottom line, its common sense to wear a helmet no matter what.



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1529 times:

Seatbelts are mandatory. Why not helmets?
We get to pay the health care. Why not give tickets instead so they give money instead of taking it?
Only an idiot would ride around without one anyway. So how is it that bad?

Yeah, I'm all for the helmet law idea...



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1527 times:

Without question- YES

Why should I have to pay higher insurance premiums because some wanna-be outlaw (who is a neurosurgeon M-f 8-5) on a Harley could feel the wind in what is left of his thinning hair?


25 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : I have a full face racing helmet where the front third pivots up. This is great for when you are in stop and go traffic and need to cool off. This is
26 CaptOveur : Ahhh the red X.. Who makes that?
27 Andz : I am a biker and it gets hot here too, maybe not AZ hot but Africa hot nonetheless. I have an Arlen Ness airflow jacket with armour and a back protec
28 Dougloid : I've always worn a helmet but my bicycle helmet saved me from serious injury when I wrecked a couple years ago. My cousin's a different story. He live
29 Post contains links Airfoilsguy : Thats odd. It worked just a few minutes ago. http://www.helmetcity.com/page/HC/PROD/xlitex1002/39-5571
30 LTU932 : What about leather protection gear for bike drivers?
31 Post contains images TheCol : That's pretty much what I think.
32 Banco : It's no co-incidence that bikers are known as "Organ Donors" amongst the emergency services. Not wearing a helmet just makes that even more true. I ca
33 Post contains images DL787932ER : Because it gives the appearance of protection without actually providing any. It's kinda the motorcycle equivalent of people who expect to make their
34 Post contains images Sabena332 : Not mandatory here, thus there are a few idiots who ride on their bikes in t-shirt and shorts. I admit, usually I wear normal clothes (together with
35 Arrow : If it were that simple, I'd agree. But the health costs of looking after a vegetable who banged his unhelmeted head on the pavement are huge, not to
36 Post contains images BristolFlyer : No way. Force onto your head, maybe - but not down your throat. Don't worry about what the group thinks, do what you think. I get stick for wearing a
37 RobertNL070 : Then you might be better off walking to the end of the street. Are you riding anything on two wheels that is motorized and can go faster than 30 km/h
38 Post contains images Sabena332 : Walking is only an option when I drunk more than one beer. Patrick
39 Aa757first : Pennsylvania made it legal to ride without one a few years ago. I heard they were considering reenacting it. You do have to wear one if you're under a
40 Pope : I say no. We place too many impediments to natural selection already. Let social Darwinism take over and eliminate the shallow end of the gene pool. W
41 Itsjustme : It's not that simple. Instead of talking in extremes (ie: being involved in an actual crash), let's look at something as innocent as taking a pebble,
42 Post contains images AirframeAS : That hit it on the nail! What does hearing have to do with it? Those motorcycles are so damn loud, my friends who ride motorcycles to school (yes, th
43 Itsjustme : C'mon, you don't consider being able to hear what's going on around you as adding to your safety? I'm speaking specifically of sirens from emergency
44 Halls120 : I believe that if you wish to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, you should be allowed to, provided you sign a legally binding document waiving your
45 Itsjustme : Sounds good, just a little too convoluted for my tastes. Wouldn't it be simpler to remember that, just as driving an automobile is, operating a motor
46 Halls120 : It isn't convoluted at all. Part of the reason we require helmets is that they have a demonstrated positive effect on minimizing injuries to the ride
47 N1120A : We have seatbelt laws (excellent) and car seat laws (some of which I like, some of which I think are lame). Helmet laws should be included Well, if i
48 Itsjustme : Sounds good in theory but, given our extremely liberal society today, do you truly believe this to be a workable solution? I don't. Hell, look at the
49 N1120A : LMAO. If that were only true They can't. It is against the law and against the Hypocratic Oath
50 Post contains images Halls120 : Well, if we could just get over the idea that we need to live in a nanny society, maybe we could. We would of course have to change current law, whic
51 Saxdiva : Helmets are mandatory in California. I'd be for making them optional if the rider a) has private health insurance with a lifetime cap of no less than
52 Post contains images AirframeAS : Uhh I'm deaf, I drive a car and I don't need hearing to help with my safety. So I adapt, I use my EYES instead. And everytime I get passed by a motor
53 Halls120 : Thank you - a much more attainable idea.
54 Post contains images Checkraiser : Save the organ donor bit, that sounds like the law in Texas. I beleive in TX if you are 21+ and have private health insurance you needn't wear a helm
55 Checkraiser : Not to rag on you or your handicap, but hearing is definately a part of driving. Those of us with normal hearing know what it's like to hear an emerg
56 Post contains images AirframeAS : I understand where you are coming from. I have to adapt since I dont have any ears (Santa Claus is an ass every xmas, I put on my wishlist, yet I hav
57 Itsjustme : Not in LA or Orange County California they're not. Interesting choice of words. As with Halls' suggestion, in theory your example might work but, aga
58 CaptOveur : My gripe about that is the morons who cross the street anywhere just because its a school zone. There is a crosswalk and a crossing guard for a reaso
59 Lowrider : Can you clarify this? Where is it happening? I do not believe that hospitals are allowed to with hold treatment necessary to preserve life based on a
60 ManuCH : For Switzerland, where healthcare is mandatory and paid by everyone (as in most countries I guess), the helmet is mandatory, and rightfully so. If som
61 Kmh1956 : [quote=CaptOveur,reply=58]I personally know more than a few doctors- some even work the ER who ride motorcycles without helmets.[/quote Then they're i
62 CaptOveur : Well, they do ride Harleys. I think being an idiot is a requirement.
63 Airfoilsguy : Why, what is there to hit? One of my dads neighbors is a surgeon. He has 3 Harleys and I have never seen him wear a helmet. I raged on him about it o
64 Kmh1956 : Daft bugger.
65 Checkraiser : Care to explain why?
66 Post contains images KaiGywer : Tell them to get rid of the Harley and buy a real motorcycle
67 Post contains links and images Airfoilsguy : Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 65): Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 62): Well, they do ride Harleys. I think being an idiot is a requirement. Care to explain why
68 CaptOveur : Why? Do you own one?
69 Checkraiser : Yes. Would I be smarter if I had a Suzuki?
70 CaptOveur : Probably.. The people I know with various Suzukis have great luck with them. Also, they all wear helmets religiously.
71 Checkraiser : Ah, but I also happen to own a Suzuki as well. Yes, it's been a decent bike. It's older so I do have to turn wrenches once in awhile. The time came wh
72 CaptOveur : Yep.. because of this. If you have neighbors they think you are an idiot... Especially if you ride in after 9 or so at night. Get the mufflers. Harle
73 Lowrider : If Checkraiser rides his bike as opposed to letting it sit and gather dust, then good on him. If a Harely fits what he is looking for, great. If a Su
74 Airfoilsguy : Harley's come from the factory with mufflers like all other bikes. The difference with Harley's is that most people that own them stick on an after m
75 Post contains images Andz : Loud pipes save lives. Proven, don't even try to argue it. I agree wholeheartedly I think you meant Hoover Personally I prefer the sound of a dentist
76 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : You would be surprised how easy it is to forget to turn those dam things off after you turn.
77 Andz : I ride too remember...
78 Post contains images AirframeAS : Its not just Harleys, its all motorcycles. I have one of those sixth sense type thing-a-roos....I can feel vibrations easily, even the faintest thing
79 Bhill : In the State Of Washington, driving is a privlege, not a right...as such if you want to drive a bike ya gotta play by the rules.
80 WrenchBender : Saxdiva I agree but with a minor change..... That the Helmet-less bike rider, meets a couple of prerequisites:- 1. You must approve/endorse the organ
81 Post contains images Saxdiva : Agreed. If someone wants to take the risk, cool... just make sure that if you do buy the farm, something good comes from it. Oh, and by coincidence,
82 Andz : ???
83 Post contains images AirframeAS : This is true. That wasn't directed to you, sir. I was saying that in general. I should have started a new paragraph on that one. And oh, by the way I
84 Itsjustme : The state of Washington is not unique in this area. Riding/driving is a privilege in each of the 50 states. You want to exercise that privilege? Fine
85 Andz : Luckily that is not the case here, within reason of course. I have been stopped by the police a few times on my bike and not once have they had anyth
86 Zak : its a matter of public concern where others might be affected and die, yes only from you not wearing a helmet. say you cruise around, lose orientation
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