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War Cowards Are They?  
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Maybe the title can be considered spin by the GOP.

But I read/watched this video about young college republicans who are some of the Bush Administrations Great supporters and explained the need for the Iraq war. But asked about why they aren't serving in Iraq and the pink underwear was exposed(No offense to those who wear them)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-bl...eration-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

"In conversations with at least twenty College Republicans about the war in Iraq, I listened as they lip-synched discredited cant about "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here." Many of the young GOP cadres I met described the so-called "war on terror" as nothing less than the cause of their time.

Yet when I asked these College Repulicans why they were not participating in this historical cause, they immediately went into contortions. Asthma. Bad knees from playing catcher in high school. "Medical reasons." "It's not for me." These were some of the excuses College Republicans offered for why they could not fight them "over there." Like the current Republican leaders who skipped out on Vietnam, the GOP's next generation would rather cheerlead from the sidelines for the war in Iraq while other, less privileged young men and women fight and die."

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Just as many bad "cowards" on the left side as well . . .

Oh, and the source: Ariana Huffington!  rotfl 

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Like the current Republican leaders who skipped out on Vietnam, the GOP's next generation would rather cheerlead from the sidelines for the war in Iraq while other, less privileged young men and women fight and die."

Recognizing this instantly as an anti-Republican, and anti-conservative thread, I can assure you, the smarter righties here won't take the bait . . .


They will recognize the thread for waht it is - another bash fest in the making . . . .


Press on. It'll be good for laugh.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting ,reply=:

So you're kinda like a Cheney Republican...





Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Oh, and the source: Ariana Huffington! rotfl

Here you go... a more 'unbiased' source:  sarcastic 


[Edited 2007-07-20 00:37:42]

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Just as many bad "cowards" on the left side as well . . .

How can you compare these people with "cowards" on the left who don't support the war? Call me nuts, but there's a big gap in hypocrisy between College Republicans that advocate for and support the war while explaining their lack of participation (I love the "I'd be there if I could"/"weak knees" crap) and anti-war students who want absolutely nothing to do with it while demanding its immediate end. It almost sounds like you're suggesting that anyone unwilling to stop asking questions and take up the fight is a "coward." Perhaps you're referring to the equally pro-war leftists out there who aren't enlisting?  sarcastic 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):

Recognizing this instantly as an anti-Republican, and anti-conservative thread, I can assure you, the smarter righties here won't take the bait . . .


They will recognize the thread for waht it is - another bash fest in the making . . . .

Because nobody criticizing the right has any reasonable basis for doing so. We just hate freedom and everything America stands for.

Seriously. Why not address the subject under discussion further? Why aren't the College Republicans that so fervently supporting the war in Iraq signing up to fight the good fight? If they believe in it so strongly, why aren't they willing to take it up themselves? Surely there must be soldiers in Iraq today asking the same question, especially amidst all this talk of needing more troops.

I have a hard time believing that somebody that stands so strongly behind the U.S. military isn't wondering what's keeping these kids from joining. I have no doubt that there are plenty out there whose "knees" are perfectly fine.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3376 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Kids be honest and just admit you are afraid of dying and own it, we all know you are lying anyways about your health problems. Also what is the main reason that lower class kids enlist, its free college and they have a chance at getting a head start.

Being their age I can pretty much say that no college student wears a suit willingly unless they are showing of their daddy's $$$ and saying I'm better than you, and this convention would have the same effect if it was casual. Really how is this different from a war protest with the extreme left in a university as its the thing on the other side.

Having your opinions is fine but do you really need to listen to Tom Delay (look what happened to him) you have a lot of growing up to do and learning to do and being that age my views are changing all the time which is why I feel that this is brainwashing and wrong.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
Really how is this different from a war protest with the extreme left in a university as its the thing on the other side.

Ummm...because those of us on the "extreme left" are opposed to the war and refuse to support its continuation? I don't see how you can make that comparison...you're comparing a bunch of kids who support the war but won't fight in it with those who are against it and won't. The respective relations between word and deed are hardly comparable.



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User currently offlineMdorbust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Funny.

How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

How many of you were there with us?

Yeah, none, that's what I thought.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

How do the two compare? I'm all for the use of the military for humanitarian aid, the South East Asia tsunami being one example in particular, even though we weren't altogether welcome by everyone.



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User currently offlineLAPA_SAAB340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Seriously. Why not address the subject under discussion further? Why aren't the College Republicans that so fervently supporting the war in Iraq signing up to fight the good fight? If they believe in it so strongly, why aren't they willing to take it up themselves? Surely there must be soldiers in Iraq today asking the same question, especially amidst all this talk of needing more troops.

Those folks "support the troops" because as long as there are other people stepping up to the plate, their precious asses can stay nice and safe at home. As you said, if they truly support the troops and believe in the war so strongly, why aren't they over there yet? Medical reasons? BS....


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

Different subject (probably what you were looking for) and incomparable military engagement altogether, but I'll bite.

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
How many of you were there with us?

You make it sound like humanitarian missions can only be carried out by the military and that everybody opposed to the war in Iraq is sitting at home watching paint dry! There are plenty of people around the world right now engaging in humanitarian activities who also oppose the current wars being waged by the United States government. To many of us, military service is not seen as the best way to go about carrying out humanitarian efforts.

So to answer your question as to where "we" were: in soup kitchens, homeless shelters, free schools, Peace Corps, non-profit aid organizations, etc. There's no shortage of non-military organizations out there that are doing what they can to make a difference in humanitarian crises around the world.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3376 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 5):
Ummm...because those of us on the "extreme left" are opposed to the war and refuse to support its continuation? I don't see how you can make that comparison...you're comparing a bunch of kids who support the war but won't fight in it with those who are against it and won't. The respective relations between word and deed are hardly comparable.

I'm talking on the broader level of extremism with people like Tom Delay spewing neo-conservative propaganda to impressionable university students is the same evil as an extreme liberal university student listening to an extreme liberal like Cindy Sheenan.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
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I'd say that if an able bodied person is for the war and does not volunteer then they better have a great reason or they'll immediately get a sideways look from me. But I respect their decision to do what they have done, even though I'm more suspect of their motives and less likely to want them on the forefront of the decisionmaking.


If a person doesn't qualify medically then that's legit, and to mock them is a cheap shot.

If a person on the left or right doesn't serve then I consider their opinion of service to be less informed than that of someone who has served, but they are no less free to opine than anyone else.

SO......

say what you want....I'll defend your right to do it, and call you a genius or an ass if I think it's merited



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

There is an argument to be made that any Commander-in-Chief who sends troops into voluntary combat (as Iraq qualifies) should also send his own of-age children into the same conflict -- this may serve to reduce the military adventures of the US. The argument against this philosophy is that this would violate the nature of a "free country".


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
How do the two compare?

Two military actions.

One broadly supported, the other not.

Didn't see many people volunteering then... don't see many volunteering now.

Don't think anyone got trashed for not volunteering then...

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
You make it sound like humanitarian missions can only be carried out by the military and that everybody opposed to the war in Iraq is sitting at home watching paint dry!

Do you take extra pleasure in inventing things you think I said?

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
So to answer your question as to where "we" were: in soup kitchens, homeless shelters, free schools, Peace Corps, non-profit aid organizations, etc.

That's great... but we're talking about military service, remember?


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
That's great... but we're talking about military service, remember?

Cut the snide bullshit MD. It sounds to me like you're saying that people interested in humanitarian efforts should all join the military when it undertakes such efforts, and that's ridiculous. Some of us interested in helping people out couldn't be less interested in a lot of the other stuff that comes with military service (the specifics of which I'm not going to get into here), hence, we don't enlist. Not interested. Thanks.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
less privileged young men and women fight and die.

How many "privileged" people join the (US) military, or have in the past? Privileged = rich/right school/right college/right job/right connections, in this context.



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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
Funny.

How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

How many of you were there with us?

Yeah, none, that's what I thought.

Funny that you believe that whomever was or is against the war in Iraq is automatically against all other things the military is or was involved with.

not funny but ludicrous.

Many outstanding and courageous (also military) people are against this war and I don't see you saying that against them face to face.



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User currently offlineDeskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 2244 times:

This is truly sickening! These College Republicans are ready to fight the war, not to the last drop of blood, but to the last Blacks, Rednecks, and other Blue Collar workers. If You think the war in Iraq is so important, You should stand first in line when Your local Army, Navy,Marine, or Air Force recruitment office opens for business on Monday. A medical condition that disqualified You last year can very well be of no consequence this year.
If the Enemy was knocking on their door, would they:
A) Fight
B) Run for their Lexus/BMW/Mercedes and drive off
C) Surrender in an instant.
I believe that these kids would try option B, then C.

And would someone tell the College Republicans that every day of US military presence in Iraq is a propaganda victory for AlQaida, regardless of the days military and humanitarian outcome. They (the Islamists) have always wanted home pitch, and GWB gave it to them.



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1370 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Hilarious clip! Especially Tom Delays anti-abortion rant... but Tom, why stop there? I would also blame the gays...they are also responsible for the import of illegal aliens, because they don't reproduce enough to keep up the workers levels, their non-existing offspring must also, without any doubt, be the exact number of troops missing to finally once and forever root out all evil terrorists and other non-republican people...

Stil, history has always shown us that the war isn't fought by the rich or their children... as always, those living closer to the edge of society are easier targets for recruiters...



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Yet when I asked these College Repulicans why they were not participating in this historical cause, they immediately went into contortions.

You can't very easily ask the ones who do cheerlead for the war and ARE over there can you?


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 19):
You can't very easily ask the ones who do cheerlead for the war and ARE over there can you?

Well, it would be rather silly to ask them why they didn't enlist when they are enlisted, dontcha think?  sarcastic   sarcastic 


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

These smarmy ass students are horrible to watch, they're fools. How can you possibly claim to believe something so deeply to your core and not stand up and do something. Weak. Don't get me wrong I realize that there is some skew to it all being a Huffington production but still those kids did not look coerced into saying anything.

YOWza

[Edited 2007-07-20 18:33:50]


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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 20):
Well, it would be rather silly to ask them why they didn't enlist when they are enlisted, dontcha think?

My point is not everyone who supports the war is a gutless college student. Some did put their ass on the line for what they believe in.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 14):
It sounds to me like you're saying that people interested in humanitarian efforts should all join the military

Quit making up things you think I said.

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 16):
Funny that you believe that whomever was or is against the war in Iraq is automatically against all other things the military is or was involved with.

You also appear to have Gunsontheroof disorder.

I'll make this really clear for the contextually impaired.

Current thread: OMG they supportz da war an didn't go fight! hipocritZZZZZZZZ.

My point: I bet you guys supported other military actions, and didn't go fight. Hipocritzzzzzzzz.

Now please, carry on making up stuff that I never said.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
My point is not everyone who supports the war is a gutless college student. Some did put their ass on the line for what they believe in.

The answer to a question no one asked. As clearly pointed out in the statement (that you quoted), he referred to:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 19):
these College Repulicans

Meaning these people who support the war are gutless college students. Not all college Republicans, students, whatever.


25 CaptOveur : Sorry to offend you and waste your precious internet time.
26 ArniePie : Maybe if you meant something else you should reread and rephrase your reply number 6 because it could mean more things than what you seem to want it
27 Gunsontheroof : Preceding my comment with "it sounds to me like..." is hardly putting words in your mouth. This seems to be your favorite tool in attempting to curtl
28 777236ER : So you do agree that you're a hypocrite for supporting the war, but not joining up? Good. It's refreshing to see someone so humble.
29 LTBEWR : Look at the 'role models' these 'Young Republicans' have. VP Cheney beat the draft with deferments and Pres. Bush used his family connections to serve
30 ANCFlyer : Nope. MDorBust, unlike, I'll bet most of the people discussed by the TO, at least wears a uniform and polices the streets of his city. I'll make an e
31 777236ER : So let me get this straight, MDorBust is allowed to be a hypocrite because's a cop? MDorBust, there's nothing stopping you serving your country and d
32 ANCFlyer : I see nothing hypocritical in his comments. He is already serving his country . . . unlike you I'll bet.
33 777236ER : So civil servants are excluded in your bizarre rules?
34 Flighty : I like to join organizations like this with my fellow Republicans just so I can make the following suggestion: "Why dont we run around and apologize t
35 ANCFlyer : Civil Servants that have already served their country - or are currently serving their country . . . unlike you I'll bet. The rules aren't bizarre -
36 Klima : If they have legitimate medical reasons for not joining you can't really fault them for that. Plus, there are ways to support the war effort without b
37 Post contains images JGPH1A : Well it wouldn't undo ALL the damage, but it's certainly a good start.
38 777236ER : He's not in Iraq though, doing the thing he suggests everyone else should do. Why not, do you think?
39 ANCFlyer : Geezus, here we go again: I'm not in Iraq either . . . Tell me, 777 . . .what sorts of activities have YOU performed to serve your country - to suppo
40 Graphic : Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that at the end of the day, everyone wants the same common goal: a peaceful, free state? There's all this
41 Falcon84 : Some of those-and I emphasize-SOME of those-who are the biggest cheerleaders for war, and for putting American lives on the line, are often the ones w
42 777236ER : I know! Don't get me started about you as well... Now you're suggesting that someone has a reduced moral right to exercise their freedom to have an o
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Fire away . . . if you've the temerity and the gut . . . BUT, before you do . . . Been there, done that . . . have you? Been there, done that . . . h
44 777236ER : I was joking. Nice to see it flew over your head.
45 Graphic : Bullshit.
46 777236ER : Don't you think I've been here long enough to know that ANCFlyer used to be in the army?! Still waiting for MDorBust's answers to my questions.
47 JGPH1A : We pay taxes and we obey the law - this is the extent of any citizen's debt "debt" to his or her country. These taxes pay for, among other things, a
48 Post contains images N231YE : From my experiences, I must say that college/young Republicans are the biggest group of morons (hyprocrites?). They're used to mommy and daddy giving
49 ANCFlyer : You do that whether we are at war or not. Irrelevent response. Not according to some on this board my friend. And because, with three exceptions, we'
50 JGPH1A : You are succumbing to the myth, I think. Iraq is not WW2, western civilization is not teetering on the brink, motherhood and apple pie are not threat
51 Post contains images Graphic : Because people on this board are real insiders when it comes to U.S. policy
52 JGPH1A : 9/11 was a terrorist attack, not an act of war. It takes two to make a war. Terrorists are criminals, catch them and lock them up. To declare war on
53 777236ER : The military exists and uses taxes whether we're at war or not. Perhaps you'd perfer a system where voting is only guaranteed if you have some period
54 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Didn't I just say that??? Yup, I did. Nope. The current system is just peachy. Opinion. Opinion. Disagree, but I see your point. Terrorists are crimi
55 GDB : Why the big surprise, that a bunch of pampered , bellicose blowhards are merely emulating their political idols? I know that many were not drafted in
56 777236ER : So which one is it, hypocrite or not?
57 JGPH1A : Come on, you're a police officer, you know that isn't how it works, no matter how much you hate what the criminal has done. Defending the rule of law
58 ANCFlyer : The current system - changing the course of a country by changing the elected idiots? Is that the question? That's democracy. It's not hypocritical u
59 777236ER : What are you talking about now? You've gone so far off topic that it's ridiculous, you even started off by answering a question not being asked to yo
60 JGPH1A : Everyone is compelled to pay taxes - everyone should be compelled to vote. But you should be allowed to vote for whoever you want (ie. a write in onl
61 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Nope, criminals I lock up. Terrorists need to be killed. And those in the military - the few - that fail to do so should be prosecuted. THey should n
62 Post contains images JGPH1A : I don't see the distinction. Premeditated murder is a crime, persons found guilty thereof are criminals, and suffer the penalty for their actions, th
63 Post contains images Graphic : Or president Jon Stewart?
64 Post contains images JGPH1A : He'd get my vote ! Seriously, he should run...
65 Post contains images NWA742 : 777236ER, given that you don't support the war on Iraq, why aren't you actively protesting it? Why aren't you abandoning your current life and spendi
66 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yes. Military persons and civil servants SHOULD be held to a higher standard, IMO of course. We are paid by the tax-payers, we owe them the courtesy
67 JGPH1A : I'm surprised, as I recall you worked at the Pentagon for a while - you must have witnessed it. Admittedly it is hard for an outsider to judge, but i
68 ANCFlyer : Ahh, simple difference in our definition of "power". But the military, in the sense you describe above, is no different than say . . . the FAA. Or th
69 JGPH1A : But with MUCH bigger budgets. And I'm sure you'll agree, a much higher punching-weight when it comes to playing politics, too, and more than it's fai
70 ANCFlyer : And before current Iraq and Afghani operations . . . . the 'influence" - or power as you call it - was less. Why? No war, no new equipment, downsizin
71 JGPH1A : We need to define then what we can consider a "proper strength and size". Are permanent military presences in how many countries is it (50,60,100 ?)
72 Post contains images MDorBust : I'll try this again in a slightly more civil manner. If you would actually pay attention to this forum from time to time you would know, as many memb
73 NWA742 : That's unfortunate - I much preferred the less civil remarks you made towards him - sometimes people have it coming. Well, why the hell aren't you in
74 Post contains images ANCFlyer : D'Oh!
75 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Start a thread on this . . . good discussion. Good questions. DO it fast though, I go on R&R tomorrow and my g/f is better looking than you are - she
76 777236ER : I didn't define anything. No of course your father being an engineer doesn't make him a hypocrite, but look closely at some of the pro-war people in
77 NWA742 : Why should they have to be? Again, why is it a requirement that they be over there to support the effort? I guess all the wives who claim to support
78 Duff44 : I want that statement made right up front: I don't think the war in Iraq was the right action at all, and I don't feel it has been properly managed or
79 777236ER : They don't have to be, it's just hypocritical that they're not. Just because you wear a stupid wristband doesn't mean you support anything. Support i
80 WellHung : Funny enough, he does.
81 Post contains images NWA742 : Then why is it hypocritical? Using such crap for logic - you are labeling yourself a hypocrite if you support or oppose ANYTHING of which you're not
82 Post contains images AirSpare : That was incredible. Does he really believe that all of the aborted fetuses were destined to go to California to pick cabbage? Was he paid to say tha
83 Flighty : That's right. We are not in the business of having wars against entire religions. Jihad is not a formal war, it's just symbolic. The US military is n
84 AirSpare : Don't you watch Fox? It's called Nation Building. Like New Math, I can't understand it.
85 Flighty : Moot point? Crimes were committed. Huge crimes, the kind that people (including national leaders) have hung for in the past. 2002-2003 events will be
86 AirSpare : No, now we only prosecute national leaders for things like getting a quick bj or playing hide the cigar. You don't need to be a pragmatic general to
87 JGPH1A : Ahem - is she young and beautiful and thin and gorgeous ? If she is, what is she doing going out with you ? Standards, girlfriend, standards ! Exactl
88 777236ER : Everyone who donates time/money/effort into a cure for cancer isn't a hypocrite, they're supporting the fight against it. People who don't donate tim
89 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha - yup. . . . I know. She's got no standards . . . Cancer killed my first wife 777, on our 5th anniversary in fact, in 1986. I don't send Can
90 Baroque : Too true AS, as that well known objector Tom Lehrer aptly remarked doing your new math in base eight, is just the same as in base ten if you are miss
91 Seb146 : The war in Iraq is not over. Even with Bush standing on the deck of a ship declaring "Major combat operations...have ended" and now talking about the
92 GDB : I think there is a lack of perception here, even supporters of the Iraq war here, inside or outside of the political establishment, hardly ever displa
93 Post contains images NWA742 : Bullshit. You don't have to be directly involved with something to have a supporting or dissenting point of view towards it. Again, you are labeling
94 Duff44 : Yes. What is the sense of debating whether we should be there or not? All that becomes is wasted time finding a real solution to get our troops home.
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