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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

With India playing England in England.
End of 1st day Eng 268/4.
http://card.cricket.indiatimes.com/default.cms?matchid=420
Looks a flat track.Bad toss to loose by the visitors.
regds
MEL


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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):

on a side note Murali has passed 700 wickets


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Sorry....rant

I used to love cricket. If I was driving along and saw a club game, or any game, I couldn't help but pull over and watch for hours. I'd watch any two teams play, anywhere in the world, at any time on TV.

However the World Cup this year was the culmination of years of curruption, scandal, weakness, mis-management, and greed by the governing body of cricket, the ICC. What a bunch of tossers that bunch are. I have not watched a single ball of cricket since, and have no interest at all. I used to hear people moan about them but always believed that the game would be bigger than the dickheads that are charged with running it.

Unfortunately, I now think I was wrong. And believe me, I have no issue with professional sports organisations being bottom line focussed, I am in business after all. But every good business needs to have something other than revenue to define itself.

I hope like hell that the players can form some breakaway league run by people who can allow the game to grow and become great again.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 2):
I hope like hell that the players can form some breakaway league run by people who can allow the game to grow and become great again.

Its happening out here though.
On the topic...Dramatic collapse by England on Day2.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Great game, do you play yourself Mel?

My starring moment was playing for the B-team for Onneley, Staffordshire, England. I was the last man, and I didn't get out.. And was bowled on the last bloody ball of the innings!

Kieron747


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):

The sub-continent is riddle with corruption I don't see it getting too far


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8464 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 2):
I hope like hell that the players can form some breakaway league run by people who can allow the game to grow and become great again.

India controls the ICC basically. It's a fragile peace. If India pulls out of it the game will go awry basically.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 4):
Great game, do you play yourself Mel

I used to play during School & College days.Bowling Fast opening & Four down Right handed batting.Was a good fielder too.
Pity.Those were the younger days  Smile

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 5):
The sub-continent is riddle with corruption I don't see it getting too far

Theres already opposition from the BCCI.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

7pm and England are still batting. The weather looks better than it does here!

User currently offlineBradWray From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting EK20 (Reply 8):
7pm and England are still batting. The weather looks better than it does here!

England home games are always boring because of the amount of rain and overcast conditions we get! We should replace Lords with the 02 Dome (Millenium dome) so that rain is never a problem!

Bradley!



Hamilton: English for 'Alonso's bitch' :D
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Quoting EK20 (Reply 8):

I remember my last vist to LHR for training purposes in June 2006.Sunrise was at 0500hrs & sunset after 2100hrs.Good for sightseeing even after 8 hrs in training  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 1780 times:
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Should be a good day tomorrow (if the weather holds). India 137-3 needing another 260odd to win tomorrow.

Anyway, story of the day is Ottis Gibson taking 10-47 for Durham today against Hampshire. Bowled unchanged throughout Hampshire's innings. One curious thing though - Michael Brown carried his bat for Hampshire - has this occurred before when a bowler has taken all 10?


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Quoting BradWray (Reply 9):
England home games are always boring because of the amount of rain and overcast conditions we get!

What nonsense! The variety of conditions is what makes it interesting! At least it's a genuine balance between bat and ball. Overcast means it swings, and how many tests are completely ruined by rain? Not that many, and I wouldn't think any more than anywhere else either.

This test is a weird one, because with the two bowling attacks on display (England's is effectively the 2nd XI + Panesar, with not one of the first choice seamers available) you'd have expected the bat to dominate. But the increasingly awesome Pietersen apart, no-one has.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Looks like Eng heading for a win.
Surprisingly how the Indian team has slipped down from their Winning ways since Greg chappell took over as coach & when he left they still have not reached the old position.Its as if most are struggling.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24960 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Cricket?

The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed.
 bored   snooty   thumbsdown   thumbsdown   talktothehand   yawn 



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User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

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Cricket


Cricket!!!

Too short a message... No relevance...


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Looks like Eng heading for a win.

Nah. One wicket needed and so naturally it pisses down.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1737 times:
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And abandoned, with the Indians celebrating in the dressing room as if it's a win for them.

User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 5):
The sub-continent is riddle with corruption I don't see it getting too far

Oh yes, the corruption in the ICC is merely the result of the subcontinent  Yeah sure All the travails that the last World Cup, incidently held on the other side of the bloody planet, are because of India and co, never mind the fact that we made an early exit. The fact that Malcolm Speed and co are a bunch of incompetent morons who made an utter sham of the spectacle final, among several other things, has nothing to do with it, of course. It's amazing the extent to which some people go with blame.

Money corrupts. The ICC wants to commercialize the game, and India is the commercial heavyweight of the cricketing world, generating revenue far in excess of anything the ICC ever dealt with before. The ICC will not get the monetary benefits unless it cedes control of the organization to a subcontinent-heavy authority. For decades, nations like India put up with ridiculous treatment from the Aus-Eng dominated ICC, which effectively ensured that their domestic seasons and Ashes events were not to be affected by series with other nations. In addition, touring subcontinental and Caribbean teams faced the sort of treatment the likes of Australia never did nor would have.

PS: I love the rain in England in summer  Smile



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 18):
For decades, nations like India put up with ridiculous treatment from the Aus-Eng dominated ICC,

Very true.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 18):
Malcolm Speed and co are a bunch of incompetent morons who made an utter sham of the spectacle final, among several other things

Also very true.

Yet it doesn't alter the fact of the problems of today ARE rooted to a fair extent in the domination India has, and the fact that the Indian board is more interested in cash and power than anything else. Hence the ludicrous situation with Zimabwe right now.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 18):
PS: I love the rain in England in summer

It was an Indian fan who pointed out to me (whilst England were completely dominating a Test match) that he wasn't worried because it always rains if England look like they might win a game. I think I've mentioned that to you before. I can't remember the last time we were actually saved by the weather. Even if the forecast is for a monsoon, the coulds seem to mysteriously disappear for long enough for us to lose 9 wickets. But if it's the other way around? Pisses down.  Yeah sure

India a bit lucky with that appeal against Sreesanth from Panesar. Stone dead lbw that one. Makes up for the iffy one Dravid got, I suppose. That's cricket!



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 19):
Yet it doesn't alter the fact of the problems of today ARE rooted to a fair extent in the domination India has, and the fact that the Indian board is more interested in cash and power than anything else. Hence the ludicrous situation with Zimabwe right now.

I don't see the situation as any intrinsic corruptness of either side, but as a power struggle between an older establishment that refuses to cede power, and a new one with enormous pockets, that simply isn't willing to put up with the old nonsense any more. It's true that cricket administration suffers in the process, and I don't really care to justify it as 'that's what you get for mistreating us in the past' etc, but the past has a bearing on the present. The likes of Gavaskar, whose outrage against the MCC is a known anecdote, do have a significant say in how India acts against the ICC, even from within.

India have faced weather issues several times in the past, when close to victory . Besides, it would be churlish to attribute it merely to luck. Dhoni played a courageous innings, and Laxman contributed as well. It was an interesting test alright, though I didn't follow it much at all. As with KiwiInOz, I've progressively lost interest in it over the last few years.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 20):
and I don't really care to justify it as 'that's what you get for mistreating us in the past' etc, but the past has a bearing on the present

Exactly. And whilst I wouldn't begin to claim that anyone would else would be better in this regard, it really isn't good enough to invoke, even unconsciously, such a thing. It would have been better for them to set the example of exactly how a mature, rational, sensible board would run things, rather than behaving like spoiled brats who've finally got the house keys. It just doesn't help, and stores up trouble for the future when sufficient numbers are pissed off. Thumbing their noses at England and Australia might be deeply enjoyable in the short-term, but it isn't going to benefit India in the long run either.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 20):
India have faced weather issues several times in the past, when close to victory .

Oh, I'm sure. It's just that England get shafted by the weather against everyone it seems! I'm not moaning, it's luck of the draw and I'm commenting on it in terms of a sense of amusement, not annoyance, but I honestly can't remember the last time rain saved us, but I can think of loads of times we've been robbed! Maybe that's a reflection on England winning more than they're losing in recent years!

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 20):
Besides, it would be churlish to attribute it merely to luck.

Heavens, no! You should know my cricketing views better than to think I would believe that. Luck goes in all directions, as I was saying. Dhoni did very well indeed, and deserves great credit. Though as an aside, had India lost I suspect a few eyebrows might have been raised about his willingness to take a single off the first ball of the over.

Funny though, isn't it? Given the two batting line ups and bowling attacks, you'd have thought the bat would really dominate this match, yet apart from a disastrous first hour on day one (the difference between the sides?) the bowlers have been wonderful on both sides, and only Pietersen really came to terms with it.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
It would have been better for them to set the example of exactly how a mature, rational, sensible board would run things, rather than behaving like spoiled brats who've finally got the house keys.

I don't see how they have the house keys. There's still an ongoing power struggle between the old and new establishments, and neither side has distinguished themselves much. It could be equally argued that rather than make an enormous rumpus about ceding power, the Asian bloc simply ought to have been graciously given their due, for they - India specifically - have an enormous part in bankrolling the game. Instead, it's descended into an ugly brawl tinged with racial overtones, that hardly helps general administration, instead spawning farcical WC finals and such patent nonsense as the Afro-Asiatic Cup (or whatever they called it). The issue is far from settled.

I was surprised by the Indian bowling. I really did not expect them to hold England down below 300 in both innings. They may be largely out first attack, but they're still largely ineffectual and/or inexperienced. The test went along expected lines; India are generally slow series starters. I did expect both sides to score more with the bat, particularly England.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 22):
There's still an ongoing power struggle between the old and new establishments

Ah, but India are completely dominant. There might be (and are!) disagreements, but Indian money makes India by far the most powerful nation. If you want an example, the Zimbabwe one is apposite. England and Australia want Zimbabwe removed from the Test playing nations because they are so clearly nowhere near the standard. India keep them in, because Zimbabwe will do their bidding entirely precisely because India keep them in! Indian money is something like two thirds of the global total, and the financially weaker nations are petrified of losing it, so India are the power broker. England and Australia are really the only two other nations in a healthy financial position, so naturally they don't follow the Indian line and offer disagreement.

Now, it does have to made clear that as the biggest financial power in the game, India SHOULD be the most powerful nation. So, no complaints at all about it. It's just a pity that all too often this means that the interests of cricket are ignored in the game of politics.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 22):
tinged with racial overtones

How so? One of the frustrations always is that certain quarters tend to scream racism whenever someone disagrees. That's not usually India, however.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 22):
I was surprised by the Indian bowling.

Zaheer Khan tends to bowl well in England. It may be that English conditions are those perfect for him. Certainly after his last tour here it was a bit surprising to see him fall away like he did. It could just be that he's ideal for here. Sreesanth looks a good prospect anyway, and I couldn't honestly say I knew much about RP Singh.

Kumble is just a fine cricketer and a gentleman. It's always a pleasure to watch him.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 22):
and neither side has distinguished themselves much

Damn. Meant to add this bit in the previous post...


Yes, absolutely the case. The truth is they are always out for the cash where they can get it, irrespective of whether it is good for the game or not. A great recent example was the completely pointless Champions Trophy six months before a ludicrously bloated World Cup.



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25 BarfBag : Banco: There's a reason why the Zimbabwe issue continues to play out. If it were indeed the case that India were utterly dominant and had no reason to
26 Banco : No, that's fair comment. Given the hideous swipe he got out to, trying to smack Panesar into Essex, I can well imagine! Ahhhhh. I remember that! Was
27 HAWK21M : Lucky.But the team has to do a lot to pick up their forgotton batting. True with the new generaton. regds MEL
28 HAWK21M : 2nd Day of the 2nd Test & India has a lead. regds MEL
29 Gkirk : Damn, some of thon Indian blokes are pricks are they not?
30 Post contains images BarfBag : As expected, India beat England comfortably in the second test at Trent Bridge, Nottingham, and go up 1-0 in the series. What's a Scot doing taking th
31 Post contains images Gkirk : Shocking, but seeing some of the highlights on the news, the behaviour of some of the Indians was appalling! Still, good to see India hammered Englan
32 Post contains images BarfBag : Nah, we were no worse than the English were on the field. Both sides played hard. As for the news, it's all a vast English conspiracy to win Scottish
33 Post contains images HAWK21M : Jelly beans gets the Bowlers going.Next test won't see any thrown on the pitch ever regds MEL
34 Banco : From what I saw (and I missed most of the test as I was out of the country) both sides did rather more than play hard, both sides crossed the line. T
35 HAWK21M : Hows the oval wicket & weather like. regds MEL
36 Post contains links BarfBag : I don't get the story about India being poor tourists still. We've won more tests abroad than any other nation, bar Australia, since 2000. Except in
37 Post contains images HAWK21M : Amazing recovery though gradual after Chappell quit,hopefully will reach the heights before he joined regds MEL
38 Banco : That's the thing, you see. You didn't even win in the West Indies, and they're bloody awful. And the fact that the Ashes were five test series. Amazi
39 HAWK21M : Except for the Jellybean trick & the Sreesanth Shouldering the English captain.The rest was great. The beamer was not deliberate. regds MEL
40 Banco : Mmm. Not convinced about that at all. Even so, I would hastily point out I'm not one of those asking for him to be hanged, drawn and quartered for it
41 HAWK21M : Your opinion.There was a quick apology too. Thats something only the Bowler would know. regds MEL
42 Post contains images BarfBag : You've got your facts wrong. We did. You're merely nitpicking specifics. First you erroneously claimed the lack of a series win. Now you claim only 5
43 HAWK21M : I remember that comeback.Aus made it 17 in a row after winning the 1st test & almost made it 18,when the Fightback began & the run was stopped & Aus
44 Post contains images Banco : Oh? OK. What am I thinking of, then? That all seems unnecessarily aggressive. We can agree or otherwise without such things, you know. Anyway, it isn
45 BarfBag : We haven't lost in the Caribbean since the mid 90s. We since drew and later won series' there. For the same reason that you mindlessly go on about 5
46 BigTom : Ah, but then you see it's only part of the game when it is done by England/Oz/NZ etc ... needs to be stamped out if indulged in by Ind/Pak/WI etc.
47 KiwiinOz : I think you should all work for the ICC
48 Banco : They are the real thing. England having four tests against the West Indies and just three against India this summer is crazy, India are a much strong
49 HAWK21M : Not since last 5 years. regds MEL
50 BarfBag : Likewise, why is there a question on the use of the latest Ashes series to demonstrate my point. Are you trying to suggest debating solely on your te
51 Banco : No, that's not remotely what I'm saying. Come on Barfbag, you should know me better than that! The seconday point about tests is that I simply don't
52 BarfBag : Banco: India rarely plays 5 test series, because the BCCI almost always goes for a longer ODI series rather than a longer test series. In that sense t
53 HAWK21M : Good point. Its very rare that Indians & quite a few gave back to sledging in this test.I guess since the England coach admitted to have asked his pl
54 Banco : I know. Right. OK, I made a mistake there, but rather than gently correcting it and pointing out the facts - when I followed that up by querying what
55 David_itl : What about Sreesanth's "small" no-ball bouncer delivered to Collingwood. It's one thing to be a couple of inches over the crease, but to be at least a
56 HAWK21M : Theres not much interest for that version out here.Even the WC squad selected has not generated much interest. regds MEL
57 BarfBag : Banco: aggresiveness isn't my own preserve in this debate. There are a number of variables that determine performance abroad. England's most notable s
58 BarfBag : Sreesanth is a fruitcake, but he's performed very well in the past, particularly in South Africa - he was primarily responsible for dismissing them f
59 Banco : They've also won series in Sri Lanka and Pakistan. No, I wasn't expecting you to, but I couldn't find the information easily at hand, and I thought y
60 VHVXB : Ashley Giles retires due to ongoing hip problems
61 Post contains images HAWK21M : Nice start for India on Day one,But two bad desicions [Kartik & Ganguly again ] Looks like India will try for 500+ hopefully it starts turning on Day
62 HAWK21M : IND 664 on day 2.Anil Kumble 110 not out.Everyone scored & huge partnerships. regds MEL
63 HAWK21M : India did not impose the followon & the Cloudcover is making batting tough for them. regds MEL
64 HAWK21M : Looks like another Draw.Last day & India need 10 wkts. regds MEL
65 BarfBag : What have you got to say now, Banco ?
66 Banco : Exactly what I said. Why would I change my mind? India dominated the last two tests and deservedly won the series. There are no ifs or buts about tha
67 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : Hmm...cricket. What's cricket? Is it like leapfrog? Just kidding. Cheers, An American
68 Post contains images Banco : Sort of. It's a game played by more than one country - don't worry, we don't expect you to know about it. Signed, The international community.
69 Post contains images HAWK21M : A game where one person throws a ball at another who hits that ball & another runs after the ball & throws it back to the 1st person. The question is
70 BarfBag : Ah, I'd have expected that you might have something to say about India's changing away record now. Not only did we acclimatise to English conditions
71 Post contains images Banco : Oh I see what you're getting at. Well, that was my implication really, but it's a fair call to ask me to say it explicitly. I shall never mention it
72 Post contains images BarfBag : Ah, so Pietersen is now England's Ganguly - a figure either adored or loathed. Brilliant. Apparently, one of the authors indicated that the Aussies to
73 Banco : Hmm. No I think Nasser Hussain was more in that mould. The county players hated him, because he would so often (rightly) categorise them as a complet
74 BarfBag : Ganguly was the prototype of the new upper middle class Indian. For far too long the English have been inured to think that Indian cricketers are grac
75 HAWK21M : Today [16th] India play scotland.What match is it.An ODI or 20-20. regds MEL
76 Banco : Not in the last generation or so. If you're talking about the 1950s, then I'd probably agree. British passports old boy. That's what makes the differ
77 BarfBag : As recently as the 1992-93 and 99-00 series, there was a lot of bleating about the heat, humidity, crowds, dodgy water and food... you name it. Were
78 Banco : I don't think that's specifically an Indian thing. You had a group of players who would tend to moan about lots of things then. A certain IT Botham s
79 HAWK21M : India beat scotland quite eaisly yesterday.Lots of choices for the ODIs. regds MEL
80 TSV : Ke? You'll have to explain that one a bit more.
81 HAWK21M : Whats the match between IND & ENG on at present Today.Is it a practice game or have the ODIs started. regds MEL
82 Banco : The fact that he buggered off back to South Africa to play for them as soon as he was able to answers that. Not exactly wrapped in the Australian fla
83 HAWK21M : After loosing the 1st ODI badly after batting 2nd. The 2nd ODI started IND 100-0 [17] regds ME
84 HAWK21M : Series 1-1. Not a very convincing win for India. regds MEL
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