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So Who Saw The Oakland Raiders Get Cheated?  
User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

All I can say is this: Incomplete pass my ass! Pissed

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

yeah, I remember when the Raiders cheated the Charges years ago with a bogus incomplete pass that was ruled a fumble-Ken Stabler and co...this is payback, and it couldn't happen to a more rotten organization!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1763 times:



I didn't see it, but bad calls are a human element in the game. Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. It's just the way it goes.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

GET BENT!!! Big grin GO PATS!!!

LH423



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User currently offlineSIA_B777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

i saw it...what a bunch of bs

User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

I didn't see it, but bad calls are a human element in the game. Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. It's just the way it goes.

Well it's also going to be a human element that beats the living sh*t out of that ref on his way home for that call.

GET BENT!!! GO PATS!!!

Yeah, go to hell. Laugh out loud

i saw it...what a bunch of bs

Yes! Exactly! Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Did anyone see the Thanksgiving game between the lions and packers?
The lions got robbed not once, but twice in the 4th quarter. One was on a pass, and the other was a touchdown(right before the one that did count).

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1726 times:

I am not a Raiders fan.....

That being said, they got burned by that call in a most harsh manner.



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1723 times:

I think it was explained clearly that the call was correct. Perhaps folks have more of an issue with what's in the rulebook. His arm was clearly moving forward. Bad luck for the Raiders, because it really would've been a fumble otherwise. Even if he pulls back or tries to stiffle the throw and loses control, the rules are clear that it is an imcomplete pass.

BTW, what a snowstorm!!! I am JEALOUS!!!!!!



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1720 times:

Jetservice....Where you watching the same play.

He had clearly stoped forward motion and was holding the ball from the top with his hand. Just like he was about to tuck it and run with it.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1718 times:

"I wasn't sure. Yeah, I was throwing the ball," Brady said with a smile. "How do you like that?"

From Brady's comments on the NFL.com website. For some reason I don't think I believe him.



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1718 times:

L-188, but the forward motion is negated if he tucks it. He never tucked it. As you said, he was about to.

When they try to stiffle/pump-fake the throw and lose control, of course their arm will be coming backwards. That's still considered an incomplete pass.



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User currently offlineBernard Shakey From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 560 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

This just can't be. This kind of thing happens to Browns fans. These things happen to fans of the Indians, the Cubs, the Mariners, the Red Sox, and even the Patriots! But the Raiders? You have got to be kidding me, I cannot believe that one of the untouchables got flamed like Oakland did last night. This kind of reminds me of when Tommy killed a "made man" in "Goodfellas," you just knew that the fallout was going to be big. Oh, and to any Raider fan who was appalled by Cleveland's "bottlegate," what would the last 1/2 hour at the Coliseum have looked like if this game had been played there?

Cleveland Browns 2003 Super Bowl Champs
out.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

I like to fly, IT WAS A FOOTBALL GAME-GET OVER YOURSELF!! YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE BABY!!!

God, grow up. So the ref made a call you don't like, you'd think the world was ending!!! I suppose it's worth killing someone over, right, or throwing a bottle of beer at someone over, like happened in Cleveland a month ago.

Stop crying like a spoiled two year old. Grow up!!!


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

I saw the game, and while I think the call was bad, questionable at least, no other team in the NFL has benefited more from poor calls than the Raiders. What goes around comes around. You can't blame the Pat's. They got an extra shot, and they made the most of it. Go Pat's! There going to the Bowl, where they will get waxed by St. Louis.

User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

The call wasn't bad!

The rule is that if you have forward motion it's an incomplete pass. The new-ish rule is also that if you pump-fake and bring the ball down, you STILL HAVE forward motion, because you are going to throw it again...I guess you could just hold it and run. But since he did the pump-fake it was forward motion so an incomplete pass.


User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

If you go srictly by the rule it might have been an incomplete pass, but this point is mute since the evidence must be conclusive to overturn the call. But I would say that this not the way the outcome of a playoff game should be decided. (note I am not a Raider fan)

But then bad calls are common in sport ie Hockey, Football, KROC I think you might know what I am talking about (no it's not wrestling).



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Actually the rule states that if the QB's arm is going forward, even if he is trying to tuck the ball away, it is an incomplete pass. That is the official rule. Is it fair? Probably not, but the correct call according to the NFL rules was made. Will this rule be revised, I think its a safe bet.

User currently offline777kicksass From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Hey American guys - Here in England we get a fair amount of NFL coverage (late night live football) and I still fail to understand some of the rules!

Ok heres one - The score. What is say 2nd and 9? Is that second down and 9 yards gone?


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Ok heres one - The score. What is say 2nd and 9? Is that second down and 9 yards gone?

In American-rules football, 777kickass, you maintain posession of the ball if you can go 10 yards in less than 4 plays. So 2nd Down and 9 means that you're on your second play and still have 9 yards to go. If on 2nd Down, you get 11 yards, for example, then you have a F irst Down, and a new series of downs.


User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

A team has 4 downs to get 10 yards. If it is 2nd and 9, it is their second try, and they still have 9 yards to go. So they got 1 yard on their first attempt.

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

If it 2nd down and 9 to go, that means the Bills must have the ball.


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User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

JetService if it's second down and the Bills have the ball it would be a minimum of 15 yards yo go due to E. Moulds would have dropped a pass and Bill Conaty would have moved early for a 5 yd penalty



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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

You're just jealous...........GO PATS!!!!!!<\b> Big thumbs up

**Ren41**


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Ihadapheo, 5 yards for moving early? Wouldn't be half the distance?  Big grin


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25 Ihadapheo : That would be true, but this was the first couple of plays after receiving a kick-off after yet another opposing team touchdown
26 JetService : LOL!!!! Glad to see they have the touchback down.
27 Ihadapheo : Ahh yes, but the kickoff went through the end-zone without being touched by a Bill.
28 JetService : Maybe they were all trying to protect it from going out of bounds.
29 Ihadapheo : But then we would get the ball on the 40
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