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Toronto Cops Involved In A Diplomatic Incident  
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/st...a6c95c-95ae-4840-b899-7271fdab65a0

Like we all didn't see this one coming.  Yeah sure

It was obvious that some team, along with their country, would be rubbed the wrong way at some point during this tournament.

In any case, I find this kinda hard to believe:

Players said they were going to greet a throng of supporters and sign autographs by their bus when they were "attacked" by police officers for no apparent reason.


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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

This is bullshit......kick the hooligans out of the country....

GS



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User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 1):
This is bullshit......kick the hooligans out of the country....

I second that!!!

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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

So the Chileans are lying.... where's the proof of that?

Why can't the Canadian police be lying? Maybe all the facts should come out first.

There are many things to be admired about Canada, but their police force does not seem to be one of them.



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
There are many things to be admired about Canada, but their police force does not seem to be one of them.

Because the Chilean soccer just has to be telling the complete and utter truth, right?

Sorry, I have a hard time believing their (Vidal et al) version of the story.

They let their tempers get the better of them after a humiliating defeat, got rowdy and just happened to run into the local constabulary.. and didn't know when to back down.

Charges should be laid, offenders prosecuted and sent packing after serving the appropriate jail time.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

“I personally saw that the police of Toronto did not act as our police (force) is used to acting with people that are just playing a football game,” Chilean soccer federation president Harold Mayne-Nicholls said.

No shit, dumb fuck. You were in Canada. Canadian cops aren't going to pretend to be wussy Chilean cops and let to trash the place and other people just because you're in town.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
There are many things to be admired about Canada, but their police force does not seem to be one of them.

And you base that on what?

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Why can't the Canadian police be lying?

I think you said the key word there, Canadian.

There Canadian's, there are certian things that go against their national ethos.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

We have bad apples....we just make them Mounties  Smile

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8958 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

FIFA considers disciplinary action against Chile's under-20 soccer team:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...A-SPT-SOC-U20-FIFA-Chile-Fight.php



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
There are many things to be admired about Canada, but their police force does not seem to be one of them.

Look cops in Canada and the US don't take this kind of crap about rioting during sporting events, if you are going to try is nonsense and fight the other teams in public the cops are going to get involved to stop it and 20 year olds cause shit here all the time and are dealt with in the same way and people visiting have to honour those laws. This is one of the reason that riots don't happen in North America when it comes to our sports, you never see Maple leaf fans starting a Riot with Sens fans at a hockey game as the do not take it nearly as seriously as soccer loving nations and we love hockey here just as much. injured

Never has anyone been killed in North America regarding sports roits (I can't remember hearing about one ever and championship celebrations do not count) and people in Europe and South America get killed or injured all the time in roits and we simply make fun of you for it. Also you will never see a ref get killed over a bad call in any North American sport which can't be said about soccer because that happened in South Africa a few years ago.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 4):
Because the Chilean soccer just has to be telling the complete and utter truth, right?

Exactly, that's why I said all the facts should come out. I made that statement to show how the thread could be perceived by third parties, as if before all the information was out it was certain it was all the Chilean delegation's fault.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
I think you said the key word there, Canadian.

There Canadian's, there are certian things that go against their national ethos.

With all due respect, I'm not one to buy that. I'm sure the police could be 100% correct, but there's also a chance they took some wrong action. Again, we have to wait until all the facts come out.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 10):
Never has anyone been killed in North America regarding sports roits (I can't remember hearing about one ever and championship celebrations do not count) and people in Europe and South America get killed or injured all the time in roits and we simply make fun of you for it.

I admire the civility of sporting events in North America, I've said that before (though I chuckled at your making exception of Championship situations... those are still sporting events). Many of those serious riots you cite also take place in finals or in games which decide if a team will lose a spot in the major league of that country. I have even made threads embarrasing my own country for the behavior of fanatics in stadiums, quite recently in fact (June). I don't pull any punches be it my country or another's.

But making fun of that is rather childish. But, at least they are adults engaging in such stupidity. "We" can't make fun of the fact that kids and teenagers in your country get blown away in schools on a calendar basis, simply because it is so sad and sickening.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
(though I chuckled at your making exception of Championship situations... those are still sporting events).

Yeah but these are celebrations that get out of hand and are not riots and mostly media overblown anyway. An example of this would be when the Leafs win a cup again if they ever do there will be stuff going on in Toronto getting out of hand but no one will be at each others throats.

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
But making fun of that is rather childish. But, at least they are adults engaging in such stupidity. "We" can't make fun of the fact that kids and teenagers in your country get blown away in schools on a calendar basis, simply because it is so sad and sickening.

I never said it was funny myself but what sports are in the grand scheme of things is a trivial thing and are an escape from everyday life and most people in North America treat it this way and basically don't care that much when their team loses. Therefore we are a lot more civil and we find it funny that people in Soccer driven areas take this game so seriously that the riots it can cause injuries and cost lives. We don't make fun of the death (thats not cool) but we do wonder why a sport can cause so much emotion and we satirize the riots and it is probably one reason we don't like soccer.

As for the school shootings that you are referring to, it is a much more complex issue as the shooters are intending to kill people and the people killed in Soccer riots are usually collateral damage and not intended. If you think that the cause of shootings is funny an trivial then you can satirize it if you want to but they are completely different issues.



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

I was wondering how long this would go on before this happened:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/238573

To compare our police force to that of Pinochet shows just how desperate some of the Chilean people are to blame Toronto cops for what happened on Thursday. Their argument has not a leg to stand on, but that doesn't stop them from trying to take the focus off the Chilean U-20 team and place it elsewhere.

Anyone who buys into this nonsensical crap should be ashamed of themselves.



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):

Do you honestly believe that the cops would just jump on that team for no reason? I know things can be a little different down there, but up here our cops don't beat people just because they feel like it.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 14):
but up here our cops don't beat people just because they feel like it.

Especially with hundreds of eye witnesses present. Citizens in general are the first people to run to the media when a police officer blatantly misuses force or uses excessive force. I haven't heard or seen any reports from such people...just whining Chilians who have no idea what they're talking about.

If I, as an American, get into a fight in England, should I expect their cops to act like American cops? Of course not. It's their country, their laws, their customs.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 14):
Do you honestly believe that the cops would just jump on that team for no reason? I know things can be a little different down there, but up here our cops don't beat people just because they feel like it.

I don't think they do it for no reason, but I do believe that the RCMP and other Canadian Police forces do tend to assume too much and jump the gun on alot of things. I'd be willing to bet that if the Police had done nothing, everything would have been fine.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7701 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1438 times:
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Sounds like rubbish to me. I for one do not believe that the police tazed them 'for no apparent reason'. Not going to happen.


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
Sounds like rubbish to me. I for one do not believe that the police tazed them 'for no apparent reason'. Not going to happen

The RCMP are quite well known for overreacting to normally harmless situations and turning them into bigger problems than they really are.



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 1):
This is bullshit......kick the hooligans out of the country....

Can I help?

What a bunch of whiners.



-NWA742


User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

It takes A LOT to provoke Toronto cops. They are under HUGE scrutiny ALL the time.
I will blindly, and confidently, take the side of the Toronto cops in this situation.

Toronto cops will warn you once, warn you twice, and sometimes even warn you a third time before taking action. They are by no means wimps, but they NEVER act without good reason. Even in large gatherings or events where there is historically trouble (ie visitors misbehaving at Caribbana several years ago) T.O. cops are always on their best behaviour.

G


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
As for the school shootings that you are referring to, it is a much more complex issue as the shooters are intending to kill people and the people killed in Soccer riots are usually collateral damage and not intended. If you think that the cause of shootings is funny an trivial then you can satirize it if you want to but they are completely different issues.

I tend to agree, but the problem of violence for example in the ARG, is also rather complex and is not solely just childish 'I can't stand to lose' violence. It involves criminal elements that have infiltrated the clubs 'hooligan' groups, schemes involving big sums of money where these groups take cuts by extorting for players and trades and other things. Most people that go to games actually never do anything at all. There's serious problems in all societies no doubt.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 14):
Do you honestly believe that the cops would just jump on that team for no reason? I know things can be a little different down there, but up here our cops don't beat people just because they feel like it.

In Chile the police tends to be quite professional. Argentine police has many defects, but beating people isn't one of them, in fact I do not recall any such event in the last 5 years at least in the entire country.

In fact the opposite is true, we have one of the most permissive systems in the world where people can directly interefere in the daily life of others, without being arrested.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7701 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1370 times:
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 18):
The RCMP are quite well known for overreacting to normally harmless situations and turning them into bigger problems than they really are.

I'll buy that, but I still don't believe you get tazed for 'nothing' in Canada.



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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
So the Chileans are lying.... where's the proof of that?

I was there, and no the police did not instigate this BS.

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
but their police force does not seem to be one of them.

THe cops are top notch.

This was all hot blooded actions by players and "fans" that simply cannot take a loss the way high end athletes should be able to take defeat.

The cops dealt with the situation while protecting theme selves from people who thought they were above the law.



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User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1358 times:

What reason would the cops have to jump the Chilean team. The Chilean team got their ass skinned by Argentina and they were unhappy. This is totally common in this sport no matter where you go. And many sports. The bottom line is when you take something that is a passion to people things are bound to happen. Now ain my opinion and I have been to Toronto many times as it is in fact one of my three favorite cities on the planet and their cops are indeed top notch and FANTASTICLY professional in how they do it. I see it the way of the Canadian police.


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25 ACDC8 : You don't, but there are many situations that the police provoke, which in turn, escalates the situation resulting in the police having to use more b
26 Greasespot : You were not there and have no Idea what you are talking about...You only have the media and the Subjects side....the police are not allowed to go ru
27 YooYoo : In most cases, the cops can't win, either way. Did anybody see the game? and if so did they show the Chilean fan storm the filed? Did they show the C
28 Post contains links MattRB : And now that they're out of the country, the story told by the Chilean soccer team has changed. http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Soccer/article/241192
29 YOWza : If your country's players had just played the game and not spent 90 minutes hitting the deck clutching a body part as if they had just be shot point
30 Post contains images Derico : So now the Chilean scuffle with Canadian cops is Argentina's fault. Good Goddess... so I guess your recent untimely shower created a ripple your town
31 Lnglive1011yyz : Just another reason why I don't like Soccer HAHAHAHA Over-dramatic fans like this drive me nuts.. in ANY sport.. but there appears to be more soccer n
32 Post contains images YOWza : I'm going to assume you chose to deliberately misinterpret my statement to start a shit throwing match as I know from your previous posts that you ha
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