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Socialism In The USA, Or Whatver They Name It  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

We have enhanced our competitive place in the global economy while building economic security and opportunity for middle class workers and families. Our state respects participation in unions of, by, and for workers.


I stumbled over this proud article praising the influence of the government in business, solidarity with fired people and beneficial involvement of unions in business.

Advocating protection of/ investing in American jobs / strategic interest / local farmers etc is well done these days.

While you'll probably be shot for calling somebody socialist, it has strong similarities with the kind of programs of the moderate socialist democratic parties /governments in e.g. Western Europe, Netherlands, Sweden, UK, Spain.

I have the impression it's all a war of words & cold war grown kids, "free market if I benefit" fans and "tough government & freedom" conservatives.

In reality there might be a big part of the US population that qualifies as social democrat according to european standards.

However the fact religion & socialist didn't mix well in the past and cold war preoccupation towards anything "left" prevent something like a social democratic party / movement to get any ground.

From the people / places I know places like Seattle, Minneapolis contain a relative large number of progressive minds..

Are there a 100 million closet social democrats in the US refusing to come out?

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21652 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Although there are still major differences, social democratic parties in Europe are in fact somewhat similar to the US democrats in some respects...

Social democrats generally distinguish themselves from socialists in that they fundamentally accept the validity of a free market, but their goals are to establish a good level of societal solidarity within a capitalist economy.

In practice you'd certainly find all kinds of differences even among european social democratic parties and especially to the US democrats, but some central ideas seem to be similar.

One of the major discrepancies across the Atlantic (and between european countries as well!) is the very different way in which worker's unions are integrated into the respective economies.

But in getting back to your question: I'm relatively certain that many americans could identify with the goals of actually existing social democratic movements over here: Near-universal healthcare, mandatory representation of worker's interests in corporations and many other benefits to the working middle class have been primarily a result of a century and a half of social democratic efforts (Social Democratic Party of Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). And even our conservative parties have nowadays adopted large parts of the formerly social-democratic program since it has become societal mainstream by now.

Actual socialists are a whole different matter (although the names are sometimes used interchangeably for historical reasons); Our own german brand ("Die Linke") is the successor of the former GDR state party SED and in many ways still has surreal ideas and flogs populist propaganda without any deeper considerations. I'm sure some americans would like even them, but that's simply a matter of covering the whole gamut.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14968 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Our own german brand ("Die Linke") is the successor of the former GDR state party SED and in many ways still has surreal ideas and flogs populist propaganda without any deeper considerations.

Not just this, but I'm sure that at least the part of the leadership from former East Germany still supports the idea of a disciplined Leninist cadre party with the goal of a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" (what proletariat? Most of them are unsuccessfull academics and pseudointellectuals).
The former WSAG members from West Germany, who joined up with them are mainly utopian dreamers.


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