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MLB: Tribe, BoSox Back-to-Back Classics!  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Talk about playoff-type baseball in July!

The Indians and Red Sox have played back-to-back classics.

Tuesday night, Dice-K bested C.C. Sabathia 1-0. Dice-K is now 12-7, Sabathia now 13-5.

Wednesday, Fausto Carmona bested Josh Beckett 1--0. Both pitchers are now 13-4.

Some of the best pitching I've seen on consecutive nights in a long time. All four were masterful, and simply dominated the opposition. A bloop single by Jason Varitek did in C.C. the night before, and a solo homer by Franklin Guttierez did in Beckett tonight.

Not often you get four Cy Young candidates pitching in the same park, on back-to-back nights, with such incredible performances. Outstanding stuff.

Who would you pick among those 4 for Cy Young?

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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Who would you pick among those 4 for Cy Young?

Carmona? I hate to pick on the guy, but big names usually get precedence when comparing the big numbers among pitchers for that vote. He'd have a tough time of it. Same with Dice-K (even though he's a "sensation"  sarcastic  ). Sabbathia and Beckett have the best chance, probably with Beckett having more chance because he's on a league-leading team. My  twocents .


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 1):
Carmona? I hate to pick on the guy, but big names usually get precedence when comparing the big numbers among pitchers for that vote.

Point taken. But find a guy, right now, pitchign better than he is: He's 5-0 for the month of June, given up 6 earned runs in the month, hasn't given up a run in 18 innings.

What excites me is that he's not even considered the top pitching prospect in the organization. They got a young guy named Adam Miller, who could get the call-up very soon, and is supposed to have more stuff than Carmona.

I would have to agree, that of the 4, the voters will put Sabathia and Beckett, guys who have earned their keep in the bigs, ahead of Carmona and Dice-K. How'd you like to have a foursome like that-and thorw in Verlander or Haren as well.  Big grin


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Glad that the Tribe came out on top tonight. Yanks only 3.5 back of the Tribe now; 6.5 back of Boston. Great games to watch though the last two nights (as a fan that would much rather watch a pitcher's duel than a slug-it-out contest).

User currently offlineAASuper83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Give me Carmona for Cy Young this year.....he has shut teams completely down. Good to see Borowski get another 1-2-3 save.

Indians will win the WC.....bank on it


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Quoting AASuper83 (Reply 4):
Indians will win the WC.....bank on it

I can't agree with that, much as I'd like to. The BoSox and Tigers have deeper pitching staffs right now, and their offenses are just a little better than the Tribe's. If the Indians can nab another bat and another starter before the trade deadline, then I might change my view. They're good, but they're not quite where Boston and Detroit are right now.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 1294 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Who would you pick among those 4 for Cy Young?

It's a no-brainer.....Beckett.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
Yanks only 3.5 back of the Tribe now; 6.5 back of Boston

Hate to tell you guys this, but the Yanks are the wild card in all this (not the Wild Card in that sense).....before all is said and done, they will have a lot to say about who plays in the post-season out of the AL East and Central. Since I don't see Seattle winning the WC, it'll come out of the East or Central, and even with the Yanks now 4 1/2 games out of the WC, I'd make them at least even money to finish no worse than the WC, if not tracking down the BoSox for the AL East title.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineAASuper83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
I can't agree with that, much as I'd like to. The BoSox and Tigers have deeper pitching staffs right now, and their offenses are just a little better than the Tribe's. If the Indians can nab another bat and another starter before the trade deadline, then I might change my view. They're good, but they're not quite where Boston and Detroit are right now.

I meant the Wild Card. They definitely need another starter at the deadline, Westbrook and Lee aren't cutting it. Carmona, Sabathia, and Byrd are all doing fine.

I've heard they may be looking at Kenny Lofton, who'd take Nixon's spot. Wouldn't be a bad pickup IMO.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Agreed about the great games between Boston and the Tribe last couple of nights. Two very good teams. Glad to see the BoSox beating the Tribe so as to pad the very thin AL central first-place advantage for my Tigers.

Coming up, another playoff preview: Tigers at Angels this weekend.



Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1268 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
The BoSox and Tigers have deeper pitching staffs right now, and their offenses are just a little better than the Tribe's.

Nobody has better offense than the Yanks in the last two weeks. The Yankees are playing better than .750 baseball since a week before the All-Star break, and have 70 runs in their last 6 games. Whether they will keep it up or not is yet to be seen, and even as a hard-core Yanks fan, I'm doubtful of this continuing like this. However, their pitching is being overshadowed by their hitting. Mussina pitched some of his best of the season last night, and Clemens and Wong have been very good lately as well. I think the Yankees are really starting to turn things around, and, if the pitching staff stays healthy, the pitchers keep on throwing well, and Torre keeps Farnsworth off the mound, the Yanks will catch up to Boston in no time, even if the hitting slows down. It's amazing that Posada hasn't had a slump all year and is hitting .330 or so, and A-rod is, well, just incredible this year. Jeter, as usual, is very solid, and Cano is coming into his usual hot hitting now.

I don't know if I'm quite confident enough yet to say that the Yankees will go deep into the playoffs, but I think they're a shoe-in for the Wild Card, and that they're likely to challenge very well come post-season time.

I think it's going to come down between CLE, BOS, and NYY in the AL, and as much as I'd love to see my Yankees win another one, at this point I don't know that anyone can say, with any amount of certainty, that one team is likely to eclipse another.

TIS



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

TIS: You are right that the Yanks don't have the arms. You also claim "CLE, BOS, and NYY" in the AL.

Don't forget the Tigers, son.



Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Who would you pick among those 4 for Cy Young?

It's a no-brainer.....Beckett.

Why is it a no-brainer? Because he's with the BoSox and all the East Coast writers always vote for a Red Sox or Yankee? The Red Sox are only two games better than the Indians right now. CC and Fausto has extremely similar stats as Beckett. Right now, Fausto is throwing better than anyone in the game.

So how is it a no-brainer? Just curious.

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 10):
Don't forget the Tigers, son.

Best and most balanced team in the game. They're my favorite to win it all.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Falcon:

Thanks for the plug for the Tigers, but throwing away that game today, and losing 3 of 5 to the Pale Hose, grinds my gears!



Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 12):
Thanks for the plug for the Tigers, but throwing away that game today, and losing 3 of 5 to the Pale Hose, grinds my gears!

Those happen. They tend to even out over the course of a year.

Indians pitching got pounded tonight. Cliff Lee may have to be sent down, as he's 0-4 in his last 4 starts with an ERA over ten. May be time to see what youngster Adam Miller can do.


User currently offlineAASuper83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

I think Miller's hurt........More likely to see Laffey or Sowers come up to replace Lee.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting AASuper83 (Reply 14):
I think Miller's hurt........More likely to see Laffey or Sowers come up to replace Lee.

I think Miller is off the DL now. Even if Miller comes up, the Tribe may have to go shopping for a veteran starter, because Jake Westbrook has been struggling all year.

Thanks why, right now, I give the edge to the Tigers and BoSox over the Indians. They have more solid starting rotations than the Indians, and they're a bit deeper in the 'Pen, where the Tribe has been struggling with everyone out there except the two Rafael's-Perez and Bentencourt.


User currently offlineAASuper83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

Would you take Matt Morris if you were the Indians? I'm hoping SF can get something, anything for him. Latest rumors have him going to Seattle for Sexson/Balentien, or Philadelphia for Burrell.

I completely agree though, the Indians need at least one more decent starter, Lee and Westbrook aren't getting it done for whatever reason.


User currently offlineAASuper83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Indians made their first move of the trade deadline.....traded Max Ramirez for Kenny Lofton.

Not a bad move really


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Quoting AASuper83 (Reply 16):
Would you take Matt Morris if you were the Indians?

If you're trying to practically give him away, I might take a flyer on him. The Indians are in need of a starter, now the Cliff Lee has been sent down. ESPN's Rumor Central has the Tribe interested in Octavio Dotal and Jose Contreras. I'd like to see if they could make a run at the Red's Aaron Harang, who has always been tough when pitching against the Tribe.

The Indians did bolster their offense today, by bringing back Kenny Lofton for a 3rd time around. He played right field and batted 2nd behind Sizemore, when 3-5 with an RBI. Not bad. Welcome back, Kenny!


User currently offlineAASuper83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Lofton had a great return game today.

At this point, I don't think Morris is going to come at a steep price. Latest rumors have him going to Seattle for Richie Sexson, or Philadelphia for Pat Burrell.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Rumors have the Royals looking to ship Octavio Dotal for the Indians, if they will give up Franklin Guttierez or Ben Franciso, both young outfileders. No way do I give up Guttierez, who is a legit 5-tool guy. And I like w hat I see with Francisco, and really don't wnat to give him up, especially for a suspect pitcher like Dotal.

User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Who would you pick among those 4 for Cy Young?

Neither of them. Dan Haren gets my vote. 12-3, 2.42 ERA, and WHIP of 1.05

Josh Beckett is close, with stats of 13-4, 3.27 ERA, and WHIP of 1.09

Carmona is close behind with 13-4, 3.31 and WHIP of 1.28

CC is also up there, but he lags the others with 13-5, 3.70 ERA, and WHIP of 1.20

Dice brings up the rear with 12-7, 3.79 ERA, and WHIP of 1.26


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Neither of them. Dan Haren gets my vote. 12-3, 2.42 ERA, and WHIP of 1.05

I put Haren fourth, in my book right now. I think Lackey might even go ahead of him right now. Yeah, I know about his ERA, but with so many guys so close, the competitiveness of his team is going to come into play on this one.

If Carmona keeps pitching as he has, he'll win it. He's been nearly untouchable for over a month now.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22):
I put Haren fourth, in my book right now. I think Lackey might even go ahead of him right now. Yeah, I know about his ERA, but with so many guys so close, the competitiveness of his team is going to come into play on this one.

Given the Oakland philosophy of assembling a team, that Haren has such sterling stats ought to be a huge distinguishing factor.

But you're probably right. The idiot sportswriters will probably tip it to someone who pitches for a team with a better record.


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