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Green Extremists Cut SUV Tires In Stockholm.  
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Up to 15 SUV per night have been damaged in Stockholm the last weeks by green extremists.
The group protest against this type of cars that they say is bad for the environment.
They also left a paper on each SUV with the text "Your SUV kills!".
Only one person have been arrested for this, a 30-year old woman.

Are we to soft against green activists that go over the line and is criminal?

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User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Green Extremists Cut SUV Tires In Stockholm

Source?



Still, even in the most arid desert is an airport somewhere ...
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Are we to soft against green activists that go over the line and is criminal?

Why? Would they receive softer treatment than any other criminal who would damage private property?


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting StrasserB (Reply 1):

If you can read swedish:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/stockholm/story/0,2789,1127332,00.html


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

The funny thing is that having to replace those tires probably causes a hell of a lot of polution. Send the bill to Greenpeace...

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

It's amazing to see how simple vandalism is supposed to change people's minds. Couldn't they have been more imaginative?


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Send the bill to Greenpeace...

Why? Did Greenpeace order the tires to be cut? My Swedish is limited, but I did not find such information in the article.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2450 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Last month I saw 2 SUVs in Copenhagen that had been tagged with spraypaint.... One was a BMW X5 the other one was a Range Rover.. presumably also done by green extremists

User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2379 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
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They destroyed foreign property, invaded the personal area of people and all on the grounds of their personal and political believes ....
Vers simmilar to terrorist thinking ..... not the best comparison, but you get the idea.

Give them the usual sentence for destroying / damaging foreign property and a little more because they did so due to their personal believe, wich is even worse as they did so with a sober mind!

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17784 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):
Couldn't they have been more imaginative?

I had a sticker put on my SUV once that said "I'm changing the environment, ask me how!" which made me laugh. I would have kept it on my bumper had they placed it on straight and level.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 6):

Greenpeace are not involved in this.
But they make a lot of illegal things that they think is OK.
All for the environment...
Like try to stop ships, go into company buildings etc.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4905 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

If some hippie douche bag did this to me and I caught then, believe me I would be willing to swallow up the assault charges because the satisfaction I would get from beating the shit out of them would be worth it. Besides many cars guzzle more than SUVs. Idiots.


YOWza



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 11):
If some hippie douche bag did this to me and I caught then, believe me I would be willing to swallow up the assault charges because the satisfaction I would get from beating the shit out of them would be worth it.

And I would take great pleasure in arresting and charging you.....

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 11):
If some hippie douche bag did this to me and I caught then, believe me I would be willing to swallow up the assault charges because the satisfaction I would get from beating the shit out of them would be worth it.

What if the hippie douche bag ended up kicking your ass instead? (As unlikely as that may be...) Would you decline to press charges since you were the one who escalated the matter to a physical fight?

DrDeke



If you don't want it known, don't say it on a phone.
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quote:
SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY


t§ 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.
(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to eenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
tt(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
tt(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.


t§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
tt(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
tt(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
ttt(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
ttt(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
tt(3) he reasonably believes that:
ttt(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
ttt(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Stay away from my tires, or there will be a legal beatdown. Did you bring a pointy object to slash my tires?

Quote:
§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON.
(a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
tt(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31;
tt(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation would not have retreated; and
tt(3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
ttt(A) to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
ttt(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
t(b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of the actor.

PS. I have no clue where all the stupid "t"s are coming from.


User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

First, those laws only apply in a specific jurisdiction; one which you did not name.

Second, those laws apply to the use of force to prevent damage to your property, not to retaliate for such damage.

While I do not think it makes sense to slash the tires of SUV as a political or environmental statement, I do enjoy watching Internet blowhards salivate over the possibility of using force against others in retaliation for property damage, and trying to legally justify said behavior, when it is clearly not permitted by the statutes they cite.


DrDeke



If you don't want it known, don't say it on a phone.
User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

While I dislike SUVs greatly, this is too far. Though lives are not being lost yet, this is in fact, terrorism.

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 15):
First, those laws only apply in a specific jurisdiction; one which you did not name.

They apply to the jurisdiction I live in. Hence, "Stay away from my tires". It's not likely that my tires will be in a position where I might have to defend them, and won't also be in the jurisdiction where these laws apply.

One would suspect that when I say, "Stay away from my tires" I'm using the law as applicable to MY location.

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 15):
Second, those laws apply to the use of force to prevent damage to your property, not to retaliate for such damage.

Check again. You only get this one right if you only read half my post.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 14):
§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON.

If I find someone messing with my car and they have a sharp and pointy object, I'm no longer defending my property.

Sharp pointy object + distance of < 21ft = Legal use of deadly force in the defence of a person without necessity of retreat

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 15):
While I do not think it makes sense to slash the tires of SUV as a political or environmental statement, I do enjoy watching Internet blowhards salivate over the possibility of using force against others in retaliation for property damage, and trying to legally justify said behavior, when it is clearly not permitted by the statutes they cite.

LOL.

You're funny.

Okay, you got me... I don't know anything about Texas law... most certainly not about it's application or enforcement..

No.. nothing at all...

 rotfl 


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Yes those deadly force provisions do not apply in canada...anywhere....You can use force to protect yourself....and reasonable force to protect your property....But you can only use deadly force if your life or someone elses life is in danger....


I also think that no one should die over a set of tires....


I know that from the police side if the douche ends up kicking your ass I would not charge them and would laugh my ass off....wonderful thing about officer discretion...no where in the criminal code does it say I must charge....It only says I may charge.....


I hate suvs and think they should be taxed out of existant but damaging them is to much.
GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Those SUVs could have belonged to large families who need the space...

I hate the ignorance. Not everyone owns an SUV for style... they do serve a practical purpose too.



Bad spellers of the world... UNTIE!
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 19):
Those SUVs could have belonged to large families who need the space...

Um they had way larger families PRIOR to the arrival of SUV's......my grandparents had 15 kids and no SUV....they managed well...My parents had 5 kids and no SUV......so that argument is crap.....

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):
Yes those deadly force provisions do not apply in canada...anywhere....You can use force to protect yourself....and reasonable force to protect your property....But you can only use deadly force if your life or someone elses life is in danger....

Living within the law is an exercise in proper articulation.

If you tell a cop that you shot a guy because he was screwing with your car, you are going to jail for a very long time.

If you tell that same cop that you shot a guy because he had a lethal weapon and you were afraid for your life, you operated inside the constraints of the law.

Both could explain the exact same situation.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Are we to soft against green activists that go over the line and is criminal?

Yes we are too soft on them.

Groups on Greenpeace employ tactics that verge on criminal. This case clearly was.

Do you think the idiots that knifed the tires ever thought about the damage making the replacement tires will cause?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):
2 SUVs in Copenhagen that had been tagged with spraypaint....

I thought the solvents in aerosol paint was bad too...

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):
Yes those deadly force provisions do not apply in canada...anywhere....You can use force to protect yourself....and reasonable force to protect your property....But you can only use deadly force if your life or someone elses life is in danger....

And is the person who defines "reasonable" under the stress of the moment and with the information or lack there of possesed by the victim at the time?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 21):
Living within the law is an exercise in proper articulation.

If you tell a cop that you shot a guy because he was screwing with your car, you are going to jail for a very long time.

If you tell that same cop that you shot a guy because he had a lethal weapon and you were afraid for your life, you operated inside the constraints of the law.

Both could explain the exact same situation.

Exactly, It all depends on if the officer has his quota for the month.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 21):
If you tell that same cop that you shot a guy because he had a lethal weapon and you were afraid for your life, you operated inside the constraints of the law.

Both could explain the exact same situation.

Not here...your still getting charged......We do not have provisions for lethal force use for property in Canada.....plus there is reverse onus...You need to prove you were threatened with deadly force and that you exercised all options prior to its application.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 23):
Not here...your still getting charged......

Well, I also can't legally carry my weapon in Canada... So I'd be really screwed  Wink


25 A332 : Times have changed just a little in the past several decades. American (and Canadian) life has evolved around the automobile and the vast majority of
26 Itsnotfinals : these idiots don't ever think about the greenhouse gases and resources that will just get used to replace what they messed up. pathetic.
27 Flighty : I don't see the difference at all. H2 driving alone: completely retarded. SUV towing a powerboat: also retarded. I should know, I have an old SUV and
28 Flighty : We here in the USA are corpulent lard asses too, but we still can fit into Civics. Civics are actually quite large now -- the size of Accords of 1990
29 MDorBust : I'll give you the same challenge I give everyone that says this. Take a Honda Civic. Put 800lbs of feed in it. Drive it through the Plum Creek low wa
30 JetsGo : Obviously you are the exception, as a majority of SUV drivers do not do that on a daily basis, let alone ever.
31 Post contains images Doona : The perpetrators, or indeed, the one perp they managed to catch will be charged with the crime she committed, which doesn't seem soft, does it? While
32 FriendlySkies : That's a good example of why the SUV was actually developed and what it's SUPPOSED to be used for. Good job. I think the beef with most people on thi
33 Jafa39 : Burns me up to hear about this sorta thing, there were some US "Greenies" who went round torching SUV show rooms and therefore releasing more pollutio
34 Post contains images OzGlobal : I'm not for doing wrong that good may come it (tire slashing), however, one gets the impression that certain people would just love to have a flimsy
35 Greasespot : that is a minority.....most drive out ther drveway....down the street...onto highway....into praking lot and park... that is the problem...... GS
36 Greasespot : Those are very few and far between....Most are NOT large families...most are 1-3 kids....who fit nicely into a civic...or minivan.... Oh and most nin
37 A332 : It doesn't matter, big families do exist and need the space that large SUVs provide... and you don't squeeze two adults and three teens into a Honda
38 Flighty : Today's so-called "minivans" are getting bigger and bigger. The Honda Odyssey is a huge, ~5,000 lb monster. With 260 horsepower engine as well, if I
39 WildcatYXU : Put me to your hitlist too, GC. If anyone would enter my property, mess with my property or with property of my guests, there would be consequences.
40 Mdsh00 : True but the Oddysey also has an "Eco" feature that shuts off half of the cylinders whenever the car is coasting. It helps a lot in fuel economy for
41 WildcatYXU : Yeah, the "soccer mom syndrome". As a matter of fact, a minivan of same size can usually offer more space than a SUV. Too bad that the minivans have
42 Post contains images YOWza : haha I think I would not press charges out of sheer embarrassment. I just don't see why more people can't be moderate. Extremism of all sorts, not ju
43 L-188 : You know I actually thought about that comment today, when I was using the tailgate of my pickup as a table while I ripped down a 4/8 piece of sheeti
44 VonRichtofen : Nice try, SUV's generally have less seating space than minivans and less cargo space and consume twice the fuel. Sure they can tow stuff, but how man
45 L-188 : A different type of cargo space.....A mini-van doesn't clean out very well with a hose. I would disargee, we don't have the soot generating industrie
46 VonRichtofen : This is true, but whatever gains that have been made with increased mileage has mostly gone to make bigger engines that consume the same amount as a
47 WildcatYXU : I don't understand one thing. We see here a lot of rants about SUV's. They guzzle gas, but at least they help their owners to get to work. But nobody
48 A332 : Wow... so I guess we all have to conform to what you believe is right and wrong then? I better get rid of my trailer and forget about enjoying the ou
49 Post contains images L-188 : Yeah but those are mostly two strokes and since every stroke is a power stroke they are twice as efficent I think that is the way it works.
50 SeansasLCY : We have a Land Rover Discovery, however we only use it when necessary such as long trips where we take lots of luggage or when driving in areas that n
51 VonRichtofen : No, just be wiling to pay for it, like every other luxury. Problem is, most would scream bloody murder if a tax on SUV's and pick-ups was introduced
52 WildcatYXU : Why is that better than having only one SUV? The smaller commuter car has to be manufactured and eventually disposed of. That all brings on pollution
53 Post contains images PC12Fan : They had no SUV's probably because there were no SUV's. Education is a wonderful and powerful thing. Obviously something these brainiacs are lacking.
54 L-188 : I can't afford two vehicles. So do I pick the econo-box that I can't get a 2x4 in or do I pick out the vehicle that will actually haul what I need to
55 MAH4546 : So does the Dodge Durango and a plethora of large SUVs and pickups. People have no right to tell people what to drive. If a single guy chooses to dri
56 Flighty : Hey buddy, let me imitate you for a second. "In my opinion, what a guy does is his own business. If he wants to walk down the street, and poop in the
57 Post contains images Lgbga : So only SUV's use oil and gas? I'd like to know, what are you doing to help the environment? Have you changed your lightbulbs in your house? Do you r
58 N200WN : Well well well...so Flighty gets to decide what's necessary for the rest of us. People like this are pathetic...just like those that want higher taxe
59 Flighty : Whatever, there are plenty of laws out there that control our behavior. Pooping on the street is a great example. Some might say that where you poop
60 EMBQA : ...and now the damaged tires will end up in a land fill........Now that's thinking...!!!!!!
61 Solarix : Can't wait until these tires are burned. That black smoke is great to breathe in. Gotta love those environmentalists and how they continue to pollute
62 Lgbga : The government allows these vehicles to be made. Fuss at them instead of throwing around insults to people you don't know.
63 Post contains images DucatiRacer : Well, fortunately, I have it on good authority that airliners don't pollute at all. So, regardless of what we drive, at least we all here can sit on
64 N229NW : I completely agree with this: There are and have been clever ways that people can protest SUV's, ways that don't cause permanent damage to other peopl
65 MD11Engineer : So, in a few weeks I will hopefully own an older Land Rover (as a replacement for my worn out 18 year old Suzuki Samurai). It will have an older Diese
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