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Vogts To Be Scotland Boss  
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Posted (12 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 767 times:

BBC - Monday, 21 January, 2002, 14:00 GMT
Vogts to be Scotland boss


Berti Vogts' Kuwait side were humbled by Oman
Berti Vogts has been confirmed as the man set to be Scotland manager.
The former Germany boss - who led his country to victory in Euro 96 - has long been favourite for the job vacated by Craig Brown.

And 55-year-old Vogts, currently manager of Kuwait, will take over when the Gulf Cup concludes at the end of this month.

The Scottish Football Association still have contractual matters to finalise, but is so confident that they have got their man that it has called a Monday afternoon news conference to announce that he is their choice.

SFA chief executive David Taylor said that negotiations are in the final stages to bring Vogts to Scotland at the conclusion of his current contract with Kuwait.



We will not finally conclude all matters until the Gulf Cup is over

David Taylor
"Berti Vogts is a world class coach, with an impressive track record of success in international football," he said.
"He has indicated strongly that he wants to lead Scotland through Euro 2004 and to the World Cup tournament in 2006 and I am sure that his expertise, experience and ideas will bring a new dimension to the development of the Scottish game.

"We have agreed virtually all aspects of his contract and I am confident that the deal will be concluded soon as negotiations to bring him to Scotland are at a very advanced stage with both Berti and the Kuwait FA.

"However, at present Kuwait are participating in the Gulf Cup tournament and, at the request of the Kuwait FA, we will not finally conclude all matters until the Gulf Cup is over.

"We enjoy an excellent relationship with the Kuwait FA and their officials have been very helpful since I first approached them.

"With this in mind, it is only right and proper that further dialogue between all parties must await the conclusion of the tournament."

Vogts will leave his present job at a time when he has come under fire in Kuwait.



Tommy Burns could be Vogts' assistant

Kuwait lost 3-1 to Oman in the Gulf Cup at the weekend.

Oman had never before beaten Kuwait in the competition.

It has been reported that Kuwait FA president Sheikh Fahad Al-Amrad Al-Sabbah was so enraged by the result that he held a 45-minute showdown meeting with the German.

The SFA had been hoping to have their new boss in place before Friday's draw for Euro 2004.

But they will have to wait until after the Gulf Cup before Vogts can formally take charge.

BBC Scotland understands that Celtic youth coach Tommy Burns is the SFA's preferred choice as Vogts' assistant.

No announcement on that post was made on Monday.

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Well, Scotty, GKirk, what do you think?



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 750 times:
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Excellent choice, vogts knows football inside out, bit like wenger if u ask me


In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 745 times:

Should be interesting, I hope he blends youth with experience  Smile


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 739 times:
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Hope he's (and the SFA) got the patience of Job - you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!

Now to dodge the flames, having unilaterally declared how c**p Scottish football is!

David


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 738 times:

The jury is out. But if he can get some good results out of them and at least qualify for Euro 2004 then we really cant ask for any more, with the players we've got.

Hopefully he's better tactically than Brown whose tactics in the last three Euro qualifying games were completely weird.

Then again, we might just win the World Cup in 2006. (inhale again)

Scotty


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 731 times:

I know I've said this before, Scotty, but I really think you give Craig Brown an unjustified hard time. Us Sassenachs reckon he did a great job with what he had. Getting to the World Cup with that team was some achievement in itself.

However, speaking from a BRITISH perspective, it would be nice to see Scotland get a decent side together. It's all a bit boring at the moment because the England-Scotland rivalry doesn't mean much right now; England have a good team, Scotland have a crap team. It's so much better when both sides qualify for tournaments, then we can spend the months beforehand slagging each other off.

Ah, remember those days in the late '70's...Dalglish, Souness etc. Mind you, England were terrible then.

It all smacks of copying us though. Got a problem? Let's get a foreign coach! Mmmm, I think someone's done that already...



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User currently offlineLowsonboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 729 times:

Maybe Vogts will try to win matches rather than just play one up front and tell his players never to create chances or shoot like Scotland did against Belgium.
If he picks Freedman then he will do ok!


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 724 times:

Yeah. Theres no point going into games to defend. OK Banco, Craig is a talented coach but his tactical judgements have been horrendous in recent crunch games. 2-0 up against Belgium at home and he decides to defend the lead in his own half, against a team technically superior, even with 10 men.

Against Croatia, our only playmaker was Neil McCann (Craig played him out of position in that game) who was substituted early on because in Craigies opinion nothing was coming from him!!

Anyway, Craigs an OK guy and I hope he gets a good job like next Man United manager!!

What else can we do to copy England? Play the Scottish Cup Final in another country??

Cheers

Scotty

btw Kirkie, interesting to see how Rangers fared against English opposition eh??

Scotty


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 721 times:

Since Berwick must be the worst professional team in England I suggest that Rangers and Celtic be invited to join the Conference!

Interesting that Alex Ferguson was such a disaster as Scotland coach back in the '80's. I wonder why that was.



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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 717 times:

Thats probably where they'd have to start

Probably because of the circumstances - he was a stand in following the death of the great Jock Stein in Cardiff in November 1985. I would have loved to have seen Stein at the World Cup in 1986 and to have seen how HIS Scotland side would have handled Germany, Denmark and Uruguay.

Probably the biggest loss Scottish football ever had.

Scotty


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 715 times:

Yes, I would have to agree. That was a sad night.

As for Vogts, it is hard to see, now that the SFA have gone down this route, which Scottish manager could take over subsequently. There do not appear to be any candidates leaping out in the future.

Alex Leishman maybe?



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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 714 times:

Er .... who??

Is he a cousin of Terry Keegan??

Cheers


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 713 times:

I thought he was known as Kelvin Coogan! Big grin

Well, who do you think for the future, then?



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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 708 times:

You mean Jim Leishman (no)

or Alex McLeish (possibly)

However, I think its getting more and more difficult for big club managers to become international managers because they are seen to have "affections" for a particular club

Another candidate for the Scotland job was Bruce Rioch who'd be OK. I can see Tommy Burns, Joe Jordan, Gordon Strachan or maybe even someone like Frank Sauzee being a future Scotland boss. George Burley also. Not a bad range of options

Scotty


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 708 times:

err....yes, we were pitiful  Pissed
Future Scotland manager............ME!!! Big grin
Who the hell is Alex Leishman???????
I think you are mixed between Alex McCleish and Jim Leishman Big grin
Maybe if Rangers and Livingston were too merge...



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 707 times:

Err, Banco goes off to put his head in the oven due to a surfeit of embarassment. Embarrassment

Yes, I meant Jim Leishman. Sorry about that gents.

I like the idea of Gordon Strachan. He's become an expert on managing lost causes. Big grin



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineBCal DC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 723 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 707 times:

There is an old expression which goes along the lines of.... you can't polish poo, even with the finest rag in the world. Moving on...

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 705 times:

Wow. I couldn't be that vicious if I tried! Big grin


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineBCal DC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 723 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 704 times:

Oh I'm sure you could. I wasn't really being vicious, just poking fun.
Which plenty of people do about my own football supportings... I support Aston Villa for f*c&s sake.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 701 times:

Yes, you're probably right. I notice that our tartan friends haven't responded as yet...

You would expect some response to being likened to a piece of poo! Big grin



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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 701 times:

You could spread it all over the place so that it gets into everything, sticks to you shoes and creates an awful smell. But we'd better not mention the Government here

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 700 times:

Scotty, I do believe you've summed up Scottish migration to England!! Big grin


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 697 times:

Can anyone explain to me why English supporters(Chelsea,Millwall,Cardiff,Leeds,England) went to Pittodrie to cause mayhem???? They always try and do this in Scotland. We dont need there kind and it wont stop us getting Euro 2008!!  Pissed  Big grin


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 696 times:

Because the Scots have always needed the English to organise them properly. Without the English, the Scots are totally rudderless! Big grin

Seriously, I don't know, but would presume that they feel there is less chance of arrest in Scotland. But presumably there is CCTV at every Scottish ground, as in England?



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 689 times:


HAHA, at least you'll have a fun coach. Does he know English by the way ?????
Must be cool to hear him talk !
Hehe.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


25 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Congratulations, he was the most successfull coach of the German national team of all times. I envy you, he was the last decent coach we had Daniel
26 Scotty : Daniel You've given me a lot of confidence. I hope one of his first acts as manager is to get Paul lambert of Celtic (ex Borussia Dortmund) to change
27 Banco : Scotty, have you got any good young players coming through for him to work with? When Peter Taylor and then Ericsson came in for England the old guard
28 David_itl : What about Duncan Disorderly of Everton? Seems stupid that he turned his back on Scotland. David
29 Post contains images Banco : We could give them Adi Akinbiye! Or even Andy Cole!
30 Scotty : There are quite a few good young players. Problem is that any of them who are with Rangers or Celtic cant get a game for dud foreigners being in the s
31 Banco : Well, Scotty, to be fair the really good Scotland teams were comprised almost entirely of players who plied their trade in England, so it isn't as if
32 Scotty : Correct Ah...I remember Bremner, Law, Gilzean, Dalglish, Law, Cooke, the greats of the past. But even now, most of them play for English sides - Sulli
33 Banco : Well, Ireland do have one world class player in Roy Keane which helps. But yes, I would think that Scotland have probably reached their lowest point a
34 Scotty : As long as we win it!!
35 Post contains images Banco : NUUUUURSE! We've got a loony on the loose!
36 BCal DC10 : Trouble is Scotty you've got to be in it to win it, and you're not in it. So we've got to wait until after our World Cup appearance at least before we
37 Scotty : You'll be home before the postcards. Cheers Scotty
38 Banco : Misery loves company, Scotty. It must be tough for you to accept, but the only one of the nations in these islands that will ever stand a chance of wi
39 BCal DC10 : I know exactly what you mean Scotty... When I send my postcards after the England game on the 30th of June from Yokohama, I'm sure I'll be home first.
40 Post contains images GKirk : The only thing England will win is the fans winning "thugs of the year", Sven better lose against his own country...
41 Scotty : Yokohama? Whats happening there then? Is that where Argentina and France will play out the World Cup Final?? Scotty
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