Ebs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 757 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5077 times:
Just watching some CNN and they were talking about the man who came to one of the houses and actually killed himself before the police were able to apprehend him. Well now his sister is suing nbc.
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Louis William Conradt Jr., of Terrell, Texas, a Dallas suburb, was suspected of being one of those men, except he didn't show up at the house. That didn't stop the TV producers and police from showing up at his, though, and as officers knocked on his door and a camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot and killed himself.
His sister, Patricia Conradt, sued NBC Universal Inc. in U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Monday for $105 million, accusing it of taking over police duties and then failing to protect her brother.
PAHS200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
Quoting Ebs757 (Thread starter): except he didn't show up at the house. That didn't stop the TV producers and police from showing up at his
if he didn't show up at the house does that still give the police the right to go to his house
Ebs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 757 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5051 times:
Well I'm betting the police were staked out somewhere waiting for him but knowing the nature of the show he probably gave his address to the decoy and Chris Hanson decided to go
PAHS200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3): Soliciting sex with a minor is illegal in some states.
yes, but people say things on AIM all the time, but when someone KNOWS the address of the kid, and don't show up....is that still a crime
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 19256 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5017 times:
Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 2): Well I'm betting the police were staked out somewhere waiting for him but knowing the nature of the show he probably gave his address to the decoy and Chris Hanson decided to go
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4997 times:
Quoting PAHS200 (Reply 4): when someone KNOWS the address of the kid, and don't show up....is that still a crime
In some states it is. Just chatting about sex and sexual activities with a minor on the internet is illegal in certain states. It doesn't matter if it was role-playing or whatever. It's still a felony.
It's unbelieveable how many people use the excuse, "I was just screwing around. It's just an internet chat room. I wasn't going to do anything." Too late. A prison cell has already been chosen for them. And with all the evidence (chat logs, IP addresses, etc.) that's been gathered to be used in court, there's little chance of being found not guilty.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11435 posts, RR: 81 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4992 times:
Quoting Ebs757 (Thread starter): Just watching some CNN and they were talking about the man who came to one of the houses and actually killed himself before the police were able to apprehend him. Well now his sister is suing nbc.
Well, perhaps she should sue AOL for providing the platform from which her brother pursued children....perhaps someone should sue her for allowing her brother to commit such offences.
Quoting Ebs757 (Thread starter): His sister, Patricia Conradt, sued NBC Universal Inc. in U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Monday for $105 million, accusing it of taking over police duties and then failing to protect her brother.
No...a good citizen is required to report crimes. The police were the ones who went to serve a warrant based on information delivered by a citizens group.
That she is part of the problem. Police aren't the only ones responsible for catching criminals. Citizens are as well. This show has helped put away hundreds of peodophiles and that's a good thing any day. No one tells these guys to troll for children on the internet.
Quoting PAHS200 (Reply 4): yes, but people say things on AIM all the time, but when someone KNOWS the address of the kid, and don't show up....is that still a crime
Yeah....and if one of them is a sexual proposition to a child then you should go to jail. We aren't talking about a girl who is 17 acting 18.......we're talking about 12 and 13 year old victims...sometimes younger. These trolls need to be put down.
KstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4965 times:
I watched this specific show. The police had figured out it was this man when he chatted along with the decoys. Because it is illegal in Texas to solicit sex with a minor, the police came to apprehend the man. To my belief, the man was or used to be working for the police department or state government, I can't remeber. Anyway, when the police staked in on his house, he shot himself. Again, this is to what I remember seeing on the show.
Ebs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 757 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4940 times:
Aloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2305 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4900 times:
The family is just embarassed and wants to blame somebody and probably try to make some $$ (NBC...owned by GE has very, very, very deep pockets).
The fact that NBC was following the police doesn't change the fact that he committed a disgusting, revolting, heinous crime. NBC wasn't over his shoulder telling him to do it....he wandered into the trap....they didn't push him.
Its his fault plain and simple. He was a selfish man, more concerned about himself and his reputation than his family and his potential victims.
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PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
Quoting Ebs757 (Thread starter): Just watching some CNN and they were talking about the man who came to one of the houses and actually killed himself before the police were able to apprehend him. Well now his sister is suing nbc.
I have seen most of the episodes. That guy was a district Attorney in the Dallas Area. There are alot of
sickos out there.
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4885 times:
Quoting Ebs757 (Thread starter): His sister, Patricia Conradt, sued NBC Universal Inc. in U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Monday for $105 million, accusing it of taking over police duties and then failing to protect her brother.
My thoughts? The suit seems frivolous and baseless. I've seen the show before, including just last night, so it's fresh in my mind- since when does NBC perform or "take over" any police duties? All NBC does is have Chris Hansen talk to the guy for a few minutes, then the POLICE themselves take down the guy when he tries to leave.
And since when does NBC have an obligation to protect the sexual predator? I can maybe understand if a cop shot the guy or something, but the guy killed HIMSELF! Is NBC supposed to protect predators not just from children, but also themselves? Like I said, baseless accusations on the sister's part. Just another product of our litigious society...
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4865 times:
Quoting PAHS200 (Reply 1): if he didn't show up at the house does that still give the police the right to go to his house
Yes it does.
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3): Soliciting sex with a minor is illegal in some states.
And its also a felony, as others have stated...in some states.
I hope this case gets dismissed in court. The family has no case.
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KstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4850 times:
Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 11): What night was it on? I must have missed it
I honestly can't remember...I'm thinking I watched it on MSNBC one night...they repeat many of these episodes on there.
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2452 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4851 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16): And its also a felony, as others have stated...in some states.
OK, this is what I meant... You know, if English is your fifth language, sometimes you may have problems to express yourself. Thanks for the clarification.
N710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4815 times:
I think what the subject did was terrible and disgusting BUT what NBC did is uncalled for. They have no business doing this shit and should leave it to law enforcement. Bottom line. As far as I am concerned unless you are deputized and an officer of the law you have no business with it. NBC is as wrong as the man was and they should pay out of the ass. Had they not shown up to embarress this man he might still be alive and if charges were persueable than they would have used legal recourse to solve the issues. NBC did not need to be there or do that. THE END
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Mdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4815 times:
Damn media needs to stay out of stuff like that.
Period.
Ilikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 22 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4780 times:
God bless NBC for trying to make this world a better place AND making millions of dollars in the process.
In what court was this law-suit filed?
On a related topic, How did the Nancy Grace law-suit turn out?
A332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4772 times:
His own issue... he's just another scumbag who knows what he's doing is wrong, but refuses to control his urges or seek help for his perverse behaviour.
As it's been said, one less dirtbag predator on the streets.
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25 N710PS: Oh do not start on that bimbo dude. I would royally enjoy kicking her with my squared end size 13 loafers in the verticle smile zone. She is another o
26 Ebs757: Hmm... and the hundreds of pedophiles including 1 that brought duct tape and rope to the house shouldn't have been caught. Its clear nbc is in it for
28 N1120A: If they violate the law, then they should be held liable. I wonder just what law they are going to apply here though. That is a very dubious thing to
29 AA787823: Good riddance. One less pervert on the street. Saves the taxpayers from an expensive trial. Glad he is dead.
30 MAH4546: NBC has probably stopped more of these crimes from happening since the show started than any police department ever has. The show is a ratings supers
31 Aloha73G: How does the show push people?? NBC isn't doing the chatting with the predators, "Perverted Justice" working with police do this every day around the
32 N1120A: Not to mention that Perverted Justice also receives a $100,000 "consulting fee" per sting. Basically, NBC is paying them to lure people into this. I
33 Aloha73G: How are they "luring people in" when they don't initiate the conversation?? The men ALWAYS start the conversation. As far as the $$$ goes, they also
34 N1120A: Riiiight. Apparently you have never read this brief. http://www.courthousenews.com/BartelNBC.pdf Further, Stone Phillips himself has admitted that it
35 Pope: So? If an adult in any way gets sexually arosed by minors then I don't give a rat's asses whether he initiated the contact or not.
36 ORFflyer: No way - what thee pervs are doing is WORSE than uncalled for. Negative - they are providing an invaluable service to communities, and the police dep
37 AA787823: How could anyone EVER consider defending one of these loosers? Personally I think that all sex offenders that prey on children should be eligible for
38 CaptOveur: http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2427 Watch the video and ignore the blog page it is on. It isn't exactly what I was looking for but it pretty much
39 NIKV69: I agree. Pedophiles belong in jail. Not on TV. Chris Hansen could give a shit about getting these guys off the street. He wants those ratings and the
40 ORFflyer: All that shows is that this didn't work in one particular sting. Yea, something went wrong there and the DA didn't indict that group. That doesn't ap
41 AsstChiefMark: Anyone can type "13 F" or "15 M." When an adult sees that and starts typing sex stuff, then the line has been crossed. It's not illegal to bait, but
42 Aloha73G: OK.....instead going off of what other people think or say why dont you just go to their website and read a few of the hundreds of chat logs....the g
43 AirframeAS: Uhhh...what? What do you mean? English is my first language. ASL is my 2nd. Whats your point?
44 WildcatYXU: Not yours, mine. English is my fifth language and I have sometimes hard time to express myself properly. Wasn't it clear?
45 ANCFlyer: I am boggled by the people here that think this predator got a raw deal . . . really. . . . I am amazed. The guy got better than he'd have gotten in p
46 MDorBust: Do I really have to tell my kids not to talk to someone named "can_i_rape_you_anally"?
47 Aloha73G: I would hope that they would know better, but you after reading these chats its obvious that these men are predators and they pick on children who ha
48 Allstarflyer: to Pope there. There's nothing wrong with weeding them out in order to catch them. It's practically the only way I can tell to catch some of these si
49 Blackbird: Well... technically entrapment doesn't really apply if the person was "ready and willing" to commit the crime. However the PeeJ crowd has in some case
50 NIKV69: I don't think we are saying that Pep, just that the ambush journalism is not needed. By all means send the police leave the media behind there is no
51 ANCFlyer: Answer the question then . . . if it's just fear mongering - answer my question. Have you a young daughter? Have you someone neice, cousin, etc that
52 N1120A: Of what other people think or say? This is someone directly involved in the program for crying out loud. You just don't get it So, did you find Maria
53 S12PPL: No we're not. No kids are decoys for NBC. The family shouldn't have cause...Only they may win this one. Sorry to say it, but there will be a jurry ou
54 N1120A: The main question will be whether this actually makes it to a jury.
55 Aloha73G: Yes, I'm not talking about the "program" I am talking about what these perverts say to what they think is a 13 or 14 year old....In some of the chats
56 ORFflyer: Why am I not surprized. Just go far will you - There you go with the facts again... Oh no, I get it. Let me fill you in on a little secret. I have a
57 NIKV69: Good question. NBC I would think would have to fight this one till the end but a good lawyer for this guys sister could make it interesting. Especial
58 DL021: These rapists and child molesters don't know that when they head over to the house. They think they're going to meet a 13 year old girl. How many tim
59 AA787823: B.S....A grown adult male should know better. He is a predator, irrgegarless if the girl consents or not. If she is under 18 and the male is as old a
60 Dougloid: The thing that bothers me about all this is not that pedophiles are getting it in the neck on national teevee. That doesn't bother me a bit, and if al
61 Blackbird: Yes, in fact, I do have a relative who has a myspace page who posts pictures of herself that are WAY too revealing for her own good. And members that
62 ORFflyer: Then IMO your opinion on this topic is more than pitiful.
63 Pope: No to all three. But once again you've tried to play your clever little lawyer word games. My post speaks of "arousal" not "attractiveness." So notwi
64 Aloha73G: Probably, since he was a local media figure, the case would have gotten alot of publicity even if NBC hadn't been involved. On Perverted Justice's we
65 Aloha73G: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/....miss.america.sexual.predators.cnn Miss America participates in stings with America's Most Wanted. Good for her
66 Blackbird: ORFlyer, No, I'm being impartial. Some of PeeJ's actions do verge on entrapment if not go over the line. Unlike most people, I'm simply not letting my
67 AsstChiefMark: Not accord to the law. Just because a shop owner's sign says "Come In" doesn't mean it's an invitation to help yourself to some Twinkies and HoHo's (
68 Blackbird: As I told you... entrapment does not occur if the person is ready and willing. However in some cases they have initiated conversation with people, and
69 Pope: There can be no entrapment by a private party. If you notice, the police have absolutely no involvment in the case until after the perv shows up at t
70 Blackbird: But doesn't entrapment apply if the party (PeeJ) is working with law enforcement, effectively as an agent of law enforcement? Andrea Kent
72 Aloha73G: Here is Perverted Justice's explanation on entrapment: Q: Is it entrapment? A: To the people who like to make that claim, let's deal with an analogy r
73 Blackbird: Well, if you know a person has a weakness but is not at the time ready and willing and you coerce and manipulate even though they would be hypothetica
74 Aloha73G: 210 convictions to be exact. ZERO sucessful entrapment defenses. I think that speaks for itself. -Aloha!
75 Blackbird: And where did you get your source from Aloha73G? Andrea Kent
77 ORFflyer: Your opinion - not fact. In the way of things? Like what? Facts? Perverts going to jail?
78 NIKV69: This is not entirely true, once the man solicits the sex from a person online he thinks is underage he has committed a felony. If he doesn't show or
79 Pope: What's not true about the statement? I don't disagree that a crime of solicitation has occured in the scenario you lay out but in these shows, the po
80 Blackbird: Perverted Justice has been accused of shall we say, exaggerating the success rate of their stings. Andrea Kent
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