QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5 Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
Well I did not know what forum this would belong in so I played it safe.
Well on my third to last flight (HP from DTW-LAS), I had a really bad anxiety attack for the very first time. I have never known what one was like as I have never experianced one. My mother had one when I was a kid when we were shopping and had to be rushed to the hosptial as it was her first one. These have always scared me my whole life. Well I have flown countless times in my life enjoying every single moment of it. That flight on HP threw a curve ball. I didnt know what to do, I was only 45 min into flight with still 3.5 hours to go. HP was gracious enough to let me rescedule my flight from LAS-SMF and fly out the next day in order to stay the night in LAS.
Well the next flight from LAS to SMF went just well. I flew on First Class, which doesnt mean much but HP put me there for free upgrade. I was very happy that I was able to go through with it. Well two weeks later I flew OAK-SLC on DL Connection with OO. On this flight I had another anxiety attack. When we landed in SLC I could not pull myself together on the next leg to CVG. I have never been so ashamed, fearful, alone in my life. I stayed in SLC over night and came back home to FAT. I have not flown scence that time. I have been seeing a Physcologist to try to help me with excersices and different things to help with the problem.
Well tomorrow morning (today already) I will be flying on ExpressJet from FAT to SAN. This will be my first flight back in a very long time! I am already starting to get a bit anxious but also trying to controll it the best I can. I will be doing this flight with my mom this time. She has been my biggest supporter as she has paid for all of my visits, she has searched up flights that we could go on and have a short one day vacation to just get me on a plane, and has given so much encouragement.
If you are someone who prays, gives good thoughts, or gives encouragement, it would mean the world to me. I am not asking this out of pity so if you really do not want to pray for me, that is fine as well.
Thank you all very much for your support. The A.NET family means so much to me no matter if some of us see eye to eye or not on different issues.
ExpressJet Airlines flight 0249 FAT-SAN on Monday, July 30th 9:40AM departure
ExpressJet Airlines flight 0248 SAN-FAT on Tuesday, July 31st 12:25PM departure
Memphis From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
We all have our weaknesess or our fears, there is nothing wrong with that, it is what we do with these weaknesess or fears that matters. First of all I commend you for facing your fears and continually attempting to fly and indeed flying. Secondly, I do not know what your religious beliefs are, yet I encourage you to read one of my favorite passages from the Bible: Phillipians 4:4-9 It deals alot with our mind sets, and specifically anxiety. My weaknesses is anxiety and worry, I will worry about things and it will get way out of hand, it essentially gives the devil a foot hold, therefore I try not to worry, being concerned is one thing, but worrying about things is another. The Lord above is in control, and when you fly on an airliner, you release your control to someone in the cockpit, yet, you can always rely on the Lord above!
DavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
Glad that you're coming to SAN , although I wish it would have been under different circumstances. Tomorrow (well today) should be pretty nice, a high of 71, with a bid of clouds here and there, but very nice.
Anyway I know exactly what you're going through. Well since you're on Airliners, I can only assume you're an aviation enthusiast. I have been since I can remember, and I've always loved flying, and thankfully my parents had the income as to where I flew as a child on a regular basis (and my Grandfather worked for NW, so that helped as well.) I never had a problem on any flight (i.e. being anxious) up until I flew in 2001 (pre 9/11, had nothing to do with that) when I had an anxiety attack on a flight.
The attacks weren't limited to flying, as I was having them on the ground. I'm not sure if this is the case with you, but if it is, I'm not sure flying will cure you of your anxiousness. Nevertheless, for me I found that I had to get rid of my anxiety on the ground before I could deal with flying. I started seeing a Doctor and with the aid of prescribed medicine I was relatively cured of my anxiety attacks. I was quite reluctant to take medicine, but what wonders drugs can do , haha. It was a simple fix, but in the end I'm not sure it was the right solution. At that time, it was, but looking back on it, I'm not sure it was too wise. (I could go more in depth, but I want to post this before you head off to bed or what not, so if you want more info, ask and I can email you. Or, I'm not sure of your plans, we could meet up for lunch or whatever and I can tell you more if you want. I know it's really last minute, but just throwing it out there).
Anyway, I'm praying for you man, all the best. Just know that things will work out, and you will get better. If you want more info, I'd be glad to shoot you an email.
Good luck with the flight, hope you will enjoy your stay in SAN.
Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
Thanks Memphis. I am actually a Christian as well. I know exactly the verse you are refuring to. I will deffinatly read that before my flight. Sometimes it is hard giving it all up to God. I know I should be doing this on a daily basis but for some reason when it comes to flying, I just cant do it as easily. Once I get on the flight it is totaly out of my hands and I need to put it all in His for sure.
Thanks DavestanKSAN. Well, my anxiety is mostly due to the bad flights that I have had. I have been blessed as well with my father having a good income so I could grow up flying to tons of places when I was younger all the way to today. I do get a little anxious sometimes in driving when a friend is driving and they are horrible at staying in "their" lane. But its deffinatly not as bad as flying.
I am electing to stay away from medication right now. My Phy. has written it down to give to a doctor whenever I want but I am holding off as much as I can. I do not want to rely on medication to help out with this.
Lunch would have been nice but my mom and I are planning on going to the Zoo all day Monday (today). Maybe next time I fly down there we can hook up. I know that I will be taking advantage of the new ExpressJet service to ONT and SAN. My parents are actually flying to SAN from FAT again in two weeks to spend 3 days there for Sea World and my father and his friend are getting pro golfing lessions and my brother will spend his time at the Bass Pro Shop haha.
Thanks a lot DavestanKSAN for the encouragement and your prayers. It means a lot!
QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1806 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4): One of my collegues suffered one a few weeks back.Out of action for a month.It was work related.
What is it exactly.Is it Work pressure & Tension related or Innume system related.
Its not work pressure at all. I think it is my irrational thinking feeding the anxiousness. Does that make sense? Sometimes I dont make sense when talking about this haha. It started on that flight on DTW due to bad turbulance after take off and then the last time due to a snow storm in SLC in which the pilot came over the intercom telling us we might take a few approaches into SLC about 30 min before landing. In which we did 3 and ended up slidding on the runway. Bummer!
Sorry to hear about collegues. It can sometimes be a very bad thing to have. It changes your life if you can not help change it from the beginning.
Jafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1790 times:
Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5): in which the pilot came over the intercom telling us we might take a few approaches into SLC about 30 min before landing.
Mate, I get anxiety attacks every time I hear that sort of message....you have nothing to fear to but fear itself!
I used to get anxiety attacks as a teenager and the methods I used then still work on the very rare occaisions I get them today.
I use "Bio Feedback", which is basically just doing less than you were doing when the attack hit.
If standing up, sit down, if sitting down, lie down, if lalready laying flat, slow your breathing and above all STOP THINKING!!!
Thinking is very bad for you in stressful situations and there is no place worse than and a/c to get an anxiety attack.
Practice not thinking, if your beliefs allow you to look at Zen...do it, the whole cutting off the internal dialogue thing is very good for combating stress.
As alast resort I have found that resigning oneself to the fact that you are about to die is the best way to combat the stress, once you think "OK, this landing is going to go tits up and i might as well just accept it"....it is amazing how liberating and calming that train of thought is.
Most stress in the human condition is based on a fear of death....
Cabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
I would be really scared too if we had bad turbulence, as well as crosswinds while landing. That would freak me out. I hope it works out for you and you have a nice flight. I would hate it if I would not be able to fly for any reason. Just be calm and think happy thoughts.
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
Hey bud. The measure of a man isn't whether he feels fear or anxiety or shame, it's how he deals with adversity when he faces it. All of us at some point in our lives had had to face a fear. Just know that you can overcome yours. Don't try to make this too big a deal because it will become a mountain in your own mind. Relax and embrace the obstacle. Remember that everything in life worth doing is difficult sooner or later.
I see you're a youth minister, so your faith should be your bedrock here. Place your trust in God (don't just say you're doing it but really put yourself in God's hands), I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1665 times:
Even though I want to make a career out of flying airplanes, I still always feel a little bit of anxiety before a flight. So there's nothing to be embarrassed about. Have confidence in yourself that you'll be able to make it through, and you'll find that the anxiety goes away very nicely.
Best wishes for a successful return to flight.
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1631 times:
I can relate to this ....
Back in 1987 on a flight from MSP to ORD taking an Eastern Moonlight Special flight I suffered a severe panic attack on the aircraft.
I thought that I was having a heart attack....It was very scary....I was on a DC9-50 and I was sitting in the rear last row by the engines.....I was alspo tape recording the flight with my audio tape recorder and I left it going thru the whole ordeal...
The F/A's put me on Walk Around Oxygen. The Pilot came over the PA and let everyone know that we had a medical emergency on the plane (ME!!!)....I then rememebr that the the Pilot made an expedited decent to get into OHare because I remember the abruptness of the pitch down as it created a collective gasp from all the passengers...
The F/As informed me that they had priority clearance into ORD (Thank goodness that the Moonlight Special flights took place in the middle of the night.) They also told me that they would have to get me to the front of the plane. Oh how embarassing I thought to myself...
Fortunately for me, instead of them parking at the actual gate, the actually pulled up next to the concourse and shut down and dropped the rear airstairs. it took 5 Paramedics ( I am a bigger individual) to get me down the air stairs...Needless to say I was totally embarrassed by this whole ordeal. I was rushed by ORD Ambulance to Resurection Hospital and they did a battery of tests. It was not a heart attack but simply a stupid panic attack.....Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I dont know where it came from but it was really scary....I was in the hospital until later that morning and I was disharged an officer took me over to the Harlem Avenue L-Stop and I got on the L back into ORD to get my flight back home to SQI....
After that episode I didnt have another panic attack until 1991 one evneing whilst driving home in a blizzard....The same thing I thought I was having a heart attack....but this time it was worse....I was put in the Critical Care unit until they definately ruled out an MI.... When I was discharged from the hospital, I wouldnt even drive for about 2 weeks..I was that freaked out...After giving it some thought, most of the the symptoms and circunstances were similar and so My doctor prescribed Xanax for me.....I was taking that until 1995....I one day frogot to take my dose and well I never looked back.....
I have since then not had any major panic attacks since the last one in 1991. I have recognized what the symptoms are and I am able to thwart thgem off before they get bad...
As for that tape that I made on that flight, I have only listened to that maybe 2 times since I recorded it.....Its kind of freaky to listen to.....
So, as I said I can totally relate this experience....It just takes time. When you start to recognize what triggers a panic attack you are better able to stop them before the completely manifest themselves....Meds are one way but over time you then become reliant on the drugs....
The best thing to learn is how and when you have these and try to keep from the situations that cause them. It takes time but believe me, you can do it....
There is nothing worse that a medical situation that prevents you from living a normal life and enjoying what makes you happy....
If you have any questions please feel free to ask....
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1588 times:
Well, by now you should be in San Diego. I hope your first flight went well.
I was also a nervous flier for years, because of an incident when I was 13 years old. However I overcame my fear through sheer numbers - watching hundreds of takeoffs and landings at the airport. This is how I became an aviation hobbiest.
I also use some humour to get over my fears - a weird, dry kind of humour that most people don't get. I remind myself that, as a human being, I was not designed to sit in a pressurized metal tube, hurtling through the air at near the speed of sound, seven miles above the earth. However, I can overcome the sensory input that makes me so anxious by remembering that small bumps are just like small waves on a lake, and that aircraft are built to stabilize themselves in all but the worst situations.
Like I said above, it's the sensory input that makes me feel ill, and realizing that these are natural reactions and learning to ignore them has helped me fly with much less fear. Certainly there are still times when I feel it rising again, but I can remind myself that I am flying for a good reason - to see my family.
I also heard recently a saying that I might not have perfectly memorized but it goes something like this: "Symptoms are frightening, but not life threatening." And then you can control your fear, so you can overcome the symptoms.
Take care, God bless, and prayers for another good flight tomorrow -
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter): If you are someone who prays, gives good thoughts, or gives encouragement, it would mean the world to me. I am not asking this out of pity so if you really do not want to pray for me, that is fine as well.
Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter): ExpressJet Airlines flight 0249 FAT-SAN on Monday, July 30th 9:40AM departure
ExpressJet Airlines flight 0248 SAN-FAT on Tuesday, July 31st 12:25PM departure
I said a quick prayer, then saw the departue/return dates and times and realized you've (hopefully) already taken the flights. Well, I hope they went well and that you made out okay.
Quoting Memphis (Reply 1): . The Lord above is in control, and when you fly on an airliner, you release your control to someone in the cockpit, yet, you can always rely on the Lord above!
Actually, it's more of a lateral move, as you're giving your control to someone who thinks they are God.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1466 times:
Went through that just under two years ago, my friend. Still on medication for it. Went through an unpleasant side effect f rom it. I can still feel the anxiety now and then. But I'm a lot better than I was.
Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3): I am electing to stay away from medication right now. My Phy. has written it down to give to a doctor whenever I want but I am holding off as much as I can. I do not want to rely on medication to help out with this.
I felt that way at first, but getting on the Paxil was the best think I ever did. It took about 4 months or so to really work, but I'm a much calmer, more even-keeled person for having taken it. I'm hoping that when I go off of it, I've learned enough about myself, and have "retrained" myself, for lack of a better word, to handle stress better, and to not let those things that I have no control of get to me anymore. I'm sure I will, and I'll say a prayer that you do, too.
QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
Hey everyone! Thank you so much for all of your support! It means the world to me. I am happy to say I am at home now in FAT. The flight was amazing! I went through the whole flight without even thinking about what was going on with the tiny bit of moving we had on the aircraft. Your prayers and thoughts have deffinatly helped change and shape me. Thank you so much! The support I get from you guys is like no other. I am now ready to go now on my next flight which will be on a bigger aircraft (probably A319 with US Airways) and on a bit longer of a flight.
You can read my trip report (Part 1 of 2) here at this link. Leave comments on how I can also improve my trip reports.