RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2365 times:
You've been having hissy fits over the VP for years now, so what's the problem? Vice President Cheney is correct when he asserts:
"As vice president, obviously, I'm next in line to succeed the president if something happens to him. I have an office in the West Wing of the White House. I advise the president, I'm a member of the National Security Council. Those are all executive functions granted to me basically by the president.
"At the same time, I have responsibilities under the Constitution for certain things on Capitol Hill. In the Senate, I am president of the Senate, I am the presiding officer in the Senate, I cast tie-breaking votes there. My paycheck actually comes from the Senate."
So if he draws his pay from the Senate budget, that makes his position part of the legislative branch. Used to be that the VP was the second loser in the electoral college but that changed with the election of 1800 and the ratification of the 12th amendment. There was a big argument about the VP being the President of the Senate as well but that's his primary job according to the Constitution.
As to the rest, didn't sound like a hissy fit to me. He didn't go on a name callling harangue. He's towing the administrations line which is what I would expect him to do.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 4): The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable.
As little as I like Reed-I don't mind Pelosi-to say that in the face of the last 7 years of this Administration is absolutely a hoot. Reed and Pelosi can't cause much damage unless they're the top dog, and they're not. The damage has been done by this President, his administration, and his reckless policies in almost every area.
It's amazing how blinded you are, L-188, to all that this president has destroyed since 2001.
But, it's good to see the two biggest apologists for the GOP on here, right on time, to save their heroes from abuse. Make me feel peachy.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 10): Yeah that was an economicly stupid move. All you do when you raise the minimum wage is increase prices charged. And then you are back to where you where.
As I said above.....
Those at the bottom. work hard for a living ,and don't have an inheritance to get rich off of, L-188, deserve a fair wage. Something below $6 an hour isn't a fair wage. In this country, that's an abomination. It's every bit as fair as giving windfall tax cuts to the wealthiest.
In fact, L-188, if them rich folk are spending all that money, and it trickles down to us low-lifes at the bottom, those businesses should be more than able to handle to the offset, right? After all, we should all bow to those who make millions and billions while the rest of us make it day to day, right?
Quoting L-188 (Reply 10): No the damage has come in the last year because rather then attacking issues we need addressed, they are attacking Bush to position themselves and their party in 08'
You mean, issues like gay marriage? The Flag Amendment? More tax breaks for the rich? And not the war in Iraq? Illegal Aliens?
Yes, the GOP seems to have their priorities stright, all right.
FlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2274 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 4): The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable
Do you really believe that? Because it's delusional.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): The damage has been done by this President, his administration, and his reckless policies in almost every area.
What is this damage you speak of Falcon? Isn't that just "collateral damage" ???
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7): Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!
Ahhh, Westy! Raise the minimum wage and SKY WILL FALL!!!! Horror!!!
To you naysayers against and badmouthing the minimum wage raise - I want people in my country to make a decent wage. Heck, they won't break in to your house and steal your 42" plasma and (god given) firearms.
But I don't even know if that is enforced.
Last election season, my local County REPUBLICAN Party didn't even pay minimum wage and choose to hire illegals to deliver their door flyers. In Culberson's District, no less. Ain't that ironic!
Let's say all those bums in the ghetto take your advice and bring themselves out of poverty, enjoying their good jobs with good pay. Through the blessings of a future hypothetical Republican government, we have deported all those bloodsucking Mexicans. Think about it...the US as we know it would implode.
We need workers at every level to function as a society, and as a society, IMO we should take care of those who occupy the lower rungs of the ladder to be sure they are happy and productive, thus keeping the country running.
Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2252 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17): Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
And, please, tell me once again, you're not a Republican?
No, I'm not Falcon.
God I love hearing that. Pinnochio has noting on you, dude.
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17): oting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
Yet you arrogantly deny others a decent pay increase.
Then I rest my case about Pinocchio. You're as cold-blooded as any GOP economic advisor. You would not deny yourself one, but you'd deny others, because you have contempt for those who are at the bottom. How Republican of you.
And it rests my case about conservative economics: give it all to the rich, fuck everyone else.
Let's get back to Gonzalez.
Like Cheney, I think he's a dishonest, not very nice man, who has all kinds of secrets he's hiding. I'm surprised he hasn't asked VPOTUS to hide everything for him. He's the typical Bush appointee: arrogant, dishonest, paranoid. Fits right in.
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2247 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24): Then I rest my case about Pinocchio. You're as cold-blooded as any GOP economic advisor.
When have I ever denied being a strong fiscal conservative Falcon?
Where's the lie in that?
The only way I could be lieing is if Republican and Conservative are defining characteristics of each other. Hint: They aren't.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24): You would not deny yourself one, but you'd deny others, because you have contempt for those who are at the bottom.
Falcon, did you miss the part where instead of looking for a raise at the bottom I got out of the bottom? Did you miss the part where I suggest others do the same? If I have such contempt for those people why do I openly suggest that they become upwardly mobile? Surely, wouldn't the person with contempt for them say they are stuck with their lot and should just give up to the drudgery?
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24): And it rests my case about conservative economics: give it all to the rich, fuck everyone else.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7): Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable.
Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11): How many raises have you given back because it was "economically stupid"? One? Two? Ten? None?
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15): Some people don't receive performance-based raises. The government has to mandate an increase. Employers can be very cheap.
But anyway, this thread is about Gonzales, who's overpaid.
It is? Cheney Has Hissy-Fit Over Gonzalez Probe
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17): Stop being bitter. Self improvement is entirely possible.
Not in Falcons world. In his world you are either born with a silver spoon in your mouth or you get the taste of plastic your entire life. No way to ever improve your financial situation because the man has his jackboot on your throat. That about right there Falcon?
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me about how the President cannot fire as little or as many asst AG's as he wishes too, at anytime he wishes too. Seems as though the VP is waiting for the same answer.
: Agreed. Dumb question, see below That is why it was a dumb question Westy. Apples and Oranges. Exactly, what makes anybody think there won't be acros
: A little harsh, but there are times he does seem to believe in the cast system. He can, that is why there isn't an actual scandel here, just a jack-a
: This para from the article is choice, I really like it. "The president feels strongly -- and I do too, I agree with him -- that it's important for us
: Never said you weren't. I believe that. It's that you say you're not Republican that slays me every time. I'll never, ever buy that one. And so did I
: There is one, actually. The rich, and everyone else. At least, as far as conservative economists feel. The fact that the gap between the richest and
: What was dumb was bringing Pelosi and Reid into this by the fourth bleedin' reply! I just took the dumb and ran with it. Now let's get back to those
: Well, I won't loose any sleep over it. How is it that you always manage to leave off the important part. They shouldn't be given a wage increase simp
: I'll accept that when you can prove to me that fast food comprises 100% of the lowest income bracket, or that none of the jobs in that bracket are ne
: neither will I, and I hope we both get a good nights' sleep. then the rich shouldn't be given a tax windfall because they're at the top. Now, we're e
: Hey, I'm an advocate of flat rate taxing. Equal for everyone. So uh, you won't get an argument out of me on this one.[Edited 2007-08-01 05:18:01]
: Hissy fit or not, anyone who continues to support this jackass of an AG is simply being foolish. I've never seen such a doubletalking, if not lying, s
: AG Gongolaz is a farce. He has advocated a huge increases in the power of the President and VP, encouraged unconstitutional torture of 'terror' prison
: And in other Cheney-releated news, the VP has finally admitted he was wrong about "last throes" in Iraq. Heck, that only took a mere 2 years and 2 mon
: Which is what your reply contains. Please tell me where, in my reply, that I am incorrect. "The Vice President is not a member of either the executiv
: If Gitmo is in Cuba, as my bestest map shows, you could be wrong there, though probably not back to Cuba.
: Yeah, that was terrible. Rightfully taking the kid away from those who had kidnapped him; brought him back to his father, his blood relative; back to
: Nice rhetoric, but true exactly HOW? You, Falcon, Westy and others are all pretty vigorous dissenters... Have you been getting knocks on the door at
: Hope that Kool-Aid is tasting good, Charles. And you're agreeing with L-188 that this is all a plot to destroy this White House? Sorry, but the White
: How else would you describe all these fictitious "scandals" for public consumption? No crime committed, not even a hint of a crime, and you still lau
: Have you seen fuel and electricity prices lately? That coupled with the growing price of rent and no minimum wage increase is a good reason. That, in
: He is more a loyal Friend to who-you-know-has-a-lot-of-brains-and-was-elected-Thanks-to-Daddy's-name-to-the-Presidency than anything else, and also B
: And there we have it. They hypocritical statement (the money shot in a.net political debate). So when the GOP is on a political witch hunt - your pos
: Pope it's pretty freaking funny hearing the GOP cry "foul!" after they did the same thing in the 90's. First, I don't see this "witch hunt" that Chen
: But if it's a lie about nothing? Kinda like the Clinton deal - he lied about a blowjob. (Actually quite a few blowjobs - but I digress ) But a REPUBL
: Bull. They acquitted because they were scared to hell that the American people would vote them out of office for doing it. That's why they acquitted
: Absolutely. He committed a crime and should be prosecuted. However, I've seen no evidence of a crime and to the extent that the Democrats had any, th
: You act like there is a God given (or nature given, as your view may be. And no, I'm not trying to be a smartass) privilege to be rich. I don't see t
: Hardly. Not everyone is going to be rich. There's no God-given right for that. But basic human decency says a person should get a decent wage for a h
: Heh...I'd take Cheney any day over Bush, and without a doubt over any Dem. Presidential candidate.
: Didn't say that. I guess I should have been more obvious I was changing gears to a broader picture. Look... I agree. We can't pay them nothing at all
: Presumption on your part. The reasons given were that the fact of perjury did not warrant the potential penalty. The whole idea of making perjury a c
: It's hot air is what it is. A) It'll affect precious few given the loopholes-galore and B) the net outcome will probably be a wash, but the politicia
: I see better where you're coming from. Thanks. And you'll get a million different angles on this, as to be expected. I see a MW job as a START. Not a
: While the democrats spent the previous 8+years trying to destroy the previous two administrations. So what's your point? When it comes to investigati
: The Democrats tried to destroy the Clinton administration?? Didn't know that. That's not the point. Gonzalez was under fire from the Dems and some Re
: So that would be the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations I was talking about. You know, the one that gave us the worst economy of all time. And the ot
: 1, Most self-respecting people would have immediately tried to get him back to his father, not hold him hostage as some political football in a fight
: Haha, you don't know that anymore than I know he would have been happier here. We also don't know what pressure was brought to bear on his father to
: In a time of national crisis, the president can declare martial law and declare himself/herself absolute dictator. Constitutionally, that is wrong. T
: But has Bush attempted to do that? No. So what's the point? Let me tell you a bit about "domestic spying". I'm in the telecom business so I know some
: But, it could happen under this or any future administration. Even if my dream administration were voted in, I would not want to see this happen. Tha
: Where are you getting this from? Just because you say it doesn't make it so. Take a look at some of the Civil War era Supreme Court decisions involvi
: And pigs could fly out of my ass. I said "nearly always" just as a cover-my-ass tactic. There are certainly some people in the U.S. who are in contac
: Oops, my bad. Sorry about that, didn't read Falcon's reply correctly. It's unethical because the said attorneys were rumored to have been fired becau
: RJ, I'm unclear on something. Are you defending Gonzalez or do you believe he should be sent packing?
: The VP is correct , period The Dems are digging digging digging ... and they will eventually get some type of irregularity. In a agency the size of th
: Westy - given the number of people who can't be bothered to spell the name of my boss correctly, your plea that the thread remain on point is pretty
: Given that it's Cheney, I'd be hard-pressed to disagree. His primary job? You mean, it's not his job to sit in the shadows and do a whole lot of noth
: Splitting hairs just a tad, aren't we Halls? Geez.