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Cheney Has Hissy-Fit Over Gonzalez Probe  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

This guy is such a beaut, I don't know where to begin:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/31/cheney.lkl/index.html

If he says Gonzalez is a good man, then I'm thinking he's exactly the opposite, so little do I trust that man.

And again, he's stating he's part of both the Executive and Legislative branch-obviously to avoid oversight whenever it suits him.

All these idiots wanting to impeach the Presidnet? Forget it-let's get rid of Cheney, and this nation is already 100 times better off.

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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Yet another day with yet another report of more arrogance in Dear Leader's administration.

~Criminals~


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

You've been having hissy fits over the VP for years now, so what's the problem? Vice President Cheney is correct when he asserts:
"As vice president, obviously, I'm next in line to succeed the president if something happens to him. I have an office in the West Wing of the White House. I advise the president, I'm a member of the National Security Council. Those are all executive functions granted to me basically by the president.

"At the same time, I have responsibilities under the Constitution for certain things on Capitol Hill. In the Senate, I am president of the Senate, I am the presiding officer in the Senate, I cast tie-breaking votes there. My paycheck actually comes from the Senate."

So if he draws his pay from the Senate budget, that makes his position part of the legislative branch. Used to be that the VP was the second loser in the electoral college but that changed with the election of 1800 and the ratification of the 12th amendment. There was a big argument about the VP being the President of the Senate as well but that's his primary job according to the Constitution.


As to the rest, didn't sound like a hissy fit to me. He didn't go on a name callling harangue. He's towing the administrations line which is what I would expect him to do.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 2):

({Looks at watch..)

Right on cue....

All is right in the world.  Big grin


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 2):
As to the rest, didn't sound like a hissy fit to me

It didn't sound like one to me either.

If anybody is pulling a hissy fit it is those democrats who are creating a scandel to destroy this white house.

The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable. How could this country be so stupid to put the democrats in charge.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
How could this country be so stupid to put the democrats in charge.

Ever since your beloved Bush League team started destroying this country.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

As little as I like Reed-I don't mind Pelosi-to say that in the face of the last 7 years of this Administration is absolutely a hoot. Reed and Pelosi can't cause much damage unless they're the top dog, and they're not. The damage has been done by this President, his administration, and his reckless policies in almost every area.

It's amazing how blinded you are, L-188, to all that this president has destroyed since 2001.

But, it's good to see the two biggest apologists for the GOP on here, right on time, to save their heroes from abuse. Make me feel peachy.  rotfl 


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20740 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable.

Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!

Yes, it's so much more fair-minded to let the richest Americans just get richer. Piss on the bottom feeders.

Signed,

The economists at the GOP.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
How could this country be so stupid to put the democrats in charge.

Because of the stupidity and arrogance of the Republican Party. That's now.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!

Yeah that was an economicly stupid move. All you do when you raise the minimum wage is increase prices charged. And then you are back to where you where.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
The damage has been done by this President, his administration, and his reckless policies in almost every area.

No the damage has come in the last year because rather then attacking issues we need addressed, they are attacking Bush to position themselves and their party in 08'



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20740 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
All you do when you raise the minimum wage is increase prices charged. And then you are back to where you where.

How many raises have you given back because it was "economically stupid"? One? Two? Ten? None?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Yeah that was an economicly stupid move. All you do when you raise the minimum wage is increase prices charged. And then you are back to where you where.

As I said above.....

Those at the bottom. work hard for a living ,and don't have an inheritance to get rich off of, L-188, deserve a fair wage. Something below $6 an hour isn't a fair wage. In this country, that's an abomination. It's every bit as fair as giving windfall tax cuts to the wealthiest.

In fact, L-188, if them rich folk are spending all that money, and it trickles down to us low-lifes at the bottom, those businesses should be more than able to handle to the offset, right? After all, we should all bow to those who make millions and billions while the rest of us make it day to day, right?  Yeah sure

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
No the damage has come in the last year because rather then attacking issues we need addressed, they are attacking Bush to position themselves and their party in 08'

You mean, issues like gay marriage? The Flag Amendment? More tax breaks for the rich? And not the war in Iraq? Illegal Aliens?

Yes, the GOP seems to have their priorities stright, all right.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
How could this country be so stupid to put the democrats in charge.

Because the congress before them wasn't doing a spot of good either.

It's not like the Dems are doing any worse than the do nothing GOP was.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
How many raises have you given back because it was "economically stupid"? One? Two? Ten? None?

Individual worker raises based on performance are a far cry from across the board wage increases.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Those at the bottom. work hard for a living ,and don't have an inheritance to get rich off of, L-188, deserve a fair wage.

Completely unachievable.

Adjust the bottom up, and the economy will just inflate. Welcome to capitalism. The companies won't suffer a hit from increasing payroll, they'll just pass it on by increasing prices.

How about, not getting stuck at the bottom?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20740 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
Individual worker raises based on performance are a far cry from across the board wage increases.

Some people don't receive performance-based raises. The government has to mandate an increase. Employers can be very cheap.

But anyway, this thread is about Gonzales, who's overpaid. Big grin



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
But anyway, this thread is about Gonzales, who's overpaid.

 rotfl 

No he's not, he's a Republican, and Republicans are never overpaid. Big grin


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable

Do you really believe that? Because it's delusional.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
The damage has been done by this President, his administration, and his reckless policies in almost every area.

What is this damage you speak of Falcon? Isn't that just "collateral damage" ???  Wink

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!

Ahhh, Westy! Raise the minimum wage and SKY WILL FALL!!!! Horror!!!


To you naysayers against and badmouthing the minimum wage raise - I want people in my country to make a decent wage. Heck, they won't break in to your house and steal your 42" plasma and (god given) firearms.

But I don't even know if that is enforced.

Last election season, my local County REPUBLICAN Party didn't even pay minimum wage and choose to hire illegals to deliver their door flyers. In Culberson's District, no less. Ain't that ironic!


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20740 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
That's why I suggest not keeping an entry level job after your teens.

::sigh::

Anyway, this thread is about the overpaid Gonzales.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Anyway, this thread is about the overpaid Gonzales.

Westy, love you dear..

But you brought this one up.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!

Have an appletini.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1862 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):

Let's say all those bums in the ghetto take your advice and bring themselves out of poverty, enjoying their good jobs with good pay. Through the blessings of a future hypothetical Republican government, we have deported all those bloodsucking Mexicans. Think about it...the US as we know it would implode.

We need workers at every level to function as a society, and as a society, IMO we should take care of those who occupy the lower rungs of the ladder to be sure they are happy and productive, thus keeping the country running.

Just my  twocents 



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20740 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1862 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
But you brought this one up.

Pooky, L-188 brought it up by going off on Pelosi and Reid.  tongue 



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 21):
Think about it...the US as we know it would implode.

I'll suggest that the nation could do with a good many of it's fast food restaurants imploding because they can't find labor.

It would be a boon to the nation.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
Pooky, L-188 brought it up by going off on Pelosi and Reid.

I'll take that defense as filed then snookums.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
And, please, tell me once again, you're not a Republican?

No, I'm not Falcon.

 rotfl 

God I love hearing that. Pinnochio has noting on you, dude.  rotfl 

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
oting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
Yet you arrogantly deny others a decent pay increase.

Damn straight.

Then I rest my case about Pinocchio. You're as cold-blooded as any GOP economic advisor. You would not deny yourself one, but you'd deny others, because you have contempt for those who are at the bottom. How Republican of you.

And it rests my case about conservative economics: give it all to the rich, fuck everyone else.


Let's get back to Gonzalez.

Like Cheney, I think he's a dishonest, not very nice man, who has all kinds of secrets he's hiding. I'm surprised he hasn't asked VPOTUS to hide everything for him. He's the typical Bush appointee: arrogant, dishonest, paranoid. Fits right in.

No wonder Cheney thinks so highly of him.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
Then I rest my case about Pinocchio. You're as cold-blooded as any GOP economic advisor.

When have I ever denied being a strong fiscal conservative Falcon?

Where's the lie in that?

The only way I could be lieing is if Republican and Conservative are defining characteristics of each other. Hint: They aren't.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
You would not deny yourself one, but you'd deny others, because you have contempt for those who are at the bottom.

Falcon, did you miss the part where instead of looking for a raise at the bottom I got out of the bottom? Did you miss the part where I suggest others do the same? If I have such contempt for those people why do I openly suggest that they become upwardly mobile? Surely, wouldn't the person with contempt for them say they are stuck with their lot and should just give up to the drudgery?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
And it rests my case about conservative economics: give it all to the rich, fuck everyone else.

I would love to see where I said that?

Can you perhaps source it for me?


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
({Looks at watch..)

Right on cue....

All is right in the world.

Tell me what I said that was incorrect.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
The damage that Polosi and Reed are causing this country will me immerseriable.

Yeah, like raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade. Horrors!!



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
How many raises have you given back because it was "economically stupid"? One? Two? Ten? None?



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Some people don't receive performance-based raises. The government has to mandate an increase. Employers can be very cheap.

But anyway, this thread is about Gonzales, who's overpaid.

It is?
Cheney Has Hissy-Fit Over Gonzalez Probe

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
Stop being bitter. Self improvement is entirely possible.

Not in Falcons world. In his world you are either born with a silver spoon in your mouth or you get the taste of plastic your entire life. No way to ever improve your financial situation because the man has his jackboot on your throat. That about right there Falcon?

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me about how the President cannot fire as little or as many asst AG's as he wishes too, at anytime he wishes too. Seems as though the VP is waiting for the same answer.


25 L-188 : Agreed. Dumb question, see below That is why it was a dumb question Westy. Apples and Oranges. Exactly, what makes anybody think there won't be acros
26 L-188 : A little harsh, but there are times he does seem to believe in the cast system. He can, that is why there isn't an actual scandel here, just a jack-a
27 Post contains images Baroque : This para from the article is choice, I really like it. "The president feels strongly -- and I do too, I agree with him -- that it's important for us
28 Falcon84 : Never said you weren't. I believe that. It's that you say you're not Republican that slays me every time. I'll never, ever buy that one. And so did I
29 Falcon84 : There is one, actually. The rich, and everyone else. At least, as far as conservative economists feel. The fact that the gap between the richest and
30 AeroWesty : What was dumb was bringing Pelosi and Reid into this by the fourth bleedin' reply! I just took the dumb and ran with it. Now let's get back to those
31 MDorBust : Well, I won't loose any sleep over it. How is it that you always manage to leave off the important part. They shouldn't be given a wage increase simp
32 AC773 : I'll accept that when you can prove to me that fast food comprises 100% of the lowest income bracket, or that none of the jobs in that bracket are ne
33 Falcon84 : neither will I, and I hope we both get a good nights' sleep. then the rich shouldn't be given a tax windfall because they're at the top. Now, we're e
34 MDorBust : Hey, I'm an advocate of flat rate taxing. Equal for everyone. So uh, you won't get an argument out of me on this one.[Edited 2007-08-01 05:18:01]
35 Itsjustme : Hissy fit or not, anyone who continues to support this jackass of an AG is simply being foolish. I've never seen such a doubletalking, if not lying, s
36 LTBEWR : AG Gongolaz is a farce. He has advocated a huge increases in the power of the President and VP, encouraged unconstitutional torture of 'terror' prison
37 Post contains links Itsjustme : And in other Cheney-releated news, the VP has finally admitted he was wrong about "last throes" in Iraq. Heck, that only took a mere 2 years and 2 mon
38 Post contains links RJdxer : Which is what your reply contains. Please tell me where, in my reply, that I am incorrect. "The Vice President is not a member of either the executiv
39 Baroque : If Gitmo is in Cuba, as my bestest map shows, you could be wrong there, though probably not back to Cuba.
40 Falcon84 : Yeah, that was terrible. Rightfully taking the kid away from those who had kidnapped him; brought him back to his father, his blood relative; back to
41 Post contains links and images Cfalk : Nice rhetoric, but true exactly HOW? You, Falcon, Westy and others are all pretty vigorous dissenters... Have you been getting knocks on the door at
42 Post contains images Falcon84 : Hope that Kool-Aid is tasting good, Charles. And you're agreeing with L-188 that this is all a plot to destroy this White House? Sorry, but the White
43 Cfalk : How else would you describe all these fictitious "scandals" for public consumption? No crime committed, not even a hint of a crime, and you still lau
44 Seb146 : Have you seen fuel and electricity prices lately? That coupled with the growing price of rent and no minimum wage increase is a good reason. That, in
45 Frequentflyer : He is more a loyal Friend to who-you-know-has-a-lot-of-brains-and-was-elected-Thanks-to-Daddy's-name-to-the-Presidency than anything else, and also B
46 Pope : And there we have it. They hypocritical statement (the money shot in a.net political debate). So when the GOP is on a political witch hunt - your pos
47 Falcon84 : Pope it's pretty freaking funny hearing the GOP cry "foul!" after they did the same thing in the 90's. First, I don't see this "witch hunt" that Chen
48 Post contains images Cfalk : But if it's a lie about nothing? Kinda like the Clinton deal - he lied about a blowjob. (Actually quite a few blowjobs - but I digress ) But a REPUBL
49 Falcon84 : Bull. They acquitted because they were scared to hell that the American people would vote them out of office for doing it. That's why they acquitted
50 Pope : Absolutely. He committed a crime and should be prosecuted. However, I've seen no evidence of a crime and to the extent that the Democrats had any, th
51 Post contains images Bagpiper : You act like there is a God given (or nature given, as your view may be. And no, I'm not trying to be a smartass) privilege to be rich. I don't see t
52 Post contains images Falcon84 : Hardly. Not everyone is going to be rich. There's no God-given right for that. But basic human decency says a person should get a decent wage for a h
53 MaverickM11 : Heh...I'd take Cheney any day over Bush, and without a doubt over any Dem. Presidential candidate.
54 Bagpiper : Didn't say that. I guess I should have been more obvious I was changing gears to a broader picture. Look... I agree. We can't pay them nothing at all
55 Cfalk : Presumption on your part. The reasons given were that the fact of perjury did not warrant the potential penalty. The whole idea of making perjury a c
56 MaverickM11 : It's hot air is what it is. A) It'll affect precious few given the loopholes-galore and B) the net outcome will probably be a wash, but the politicia
57 Falcon84 : I see better where you're coming from. Thanks. And you'll get a million different angles on this, as to be expected. I see a MW job as a START. Not a
58 RJdxer : While the democrats spent the previous 8+years trying to destroy the previous two administrations. So what's your point? When it comes to investigati
59 DavestanKSAN : The Democrats tried to destroy the Clinton administration?? Didn't know that. That's not the point. Gonzalez was under fire from the Dems and some Re
60 RJdxer : So that would be the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations I was talking about. You know, the one that gave us the worst economy of all time. And the ot
61 Falcon84 : 1, Most self-respecting people would have immediately tried to get him back to his father, not hold him hostage as some political football in a fight
62 RJdxer : Haha, you don't know that anymore than I know he would have been happier here. We also don't know what pressure was brought to bear on his father to
63 Seb146 : In a time of national crisis, the president can declare martial law and declare himself/herself absolute dictator. Constitutionally, that is wrong. T
64 Post contains links Cfalk : But has Bush attempted to do that? No. So what's the point? Let me tell you a bit about "domestic spying". I'm in the telecom business so I know some
65 Seb146 : But, it could happen under this or any future administration. Even if my dream administration were voted in, I would not want to see this happen. Tha
66 Pope : Where are you getting this from? Just because you say it doesn't make it so. Take a look at some of the Civil War era Supreme Court decisions involvi
67 Cfalk : And pigs could fly out of my ass. I said "nearly always" just as a cover-my-ass tactic. There are certainly some people in the U.S. who are in contac
68 DavestanKSAN : Oops, my bad. Sorry about that, didn't read Falcon's reply correctly. It's unethical because the said attorneys were rumored to have been fired becau
69 Itsjustme : RJ, I'm unclear on something. Are you defending Gonzalez or do you believe he should be sent packing?
70 AGM100 : The VP is correct , period The Dems are digging digging digging ... and they will eventually get some type of irregularity. In a agency the size of th
71 Post contains images Halls120 : Westy - given the number of people who can't be bothered to spell the name of my boss correctly, your plea that the thread remain on point is pretty
72 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Given that it's Cheney, I'd be hard-pressed to disagree. His primary job? You mean, it's not his job to sit in the shadows and do a whole lot of noth
73 Itsjustme : Splitting hairs just a tad, aren't we Halls? Geez.
74 Post contains images Halls120 : Geez, can't a guy have ANY fun?
75 Seb146 : I can cite a few attorneys who did a bang up job but got fired anyway... But, Bush already signed into law, with the consent of a Republican controll
76 Halls120 : 7 of the 8 that were fired for performance reasons had no performance problems whatsoever.
77 Post contains images Itsjustme : Well, OK. Maybe just a little. RJ? Any response to my question?
78 AGM100 : The "Average" citizen can not go purchase a auto weapon. They must complete special courses and have background checks done. Although I am pretty muc
79 Seb146 : Right, they worked hard and did their job to the best of their ability. They worked completely within the letter of the law and everything they were
80 Pope : Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president. What law? Please point me to the secret law. You keep saying it exists but you can't pro
81 Cfalk : Pardon me, but did someone just say that life should be fair?
82 Post contains images Halls120 : when I die, my kids will probably have "life isn't fair" etched on my tombstone, I told them that so often. No former US Attorney ever goes hungry af
83 Socal : They like to say" We are doing what the American people want" or " The American people will be heard", well they are only doing what SOME americans w
84 Socal : What is so good about a Democrat? Elaborate.........
85 AGM100 : [ Gonzalez may just be the first , I support him against the Dem 's but he sure does not have any charisma. He just takes the punishment and looks kin
86 Falcon84 : Taking care of what business? Leaving what huge mess? Care to elaborate? What does that gobbldy gook mean? Doing "something" doesn't mean hies compet
87 Socal : LOL......LOL......LOL Oh, dont mention that........LOL....LOL Gonzales is going to stay, he is a very good friend of the President, and those U.S. At
88 Halls120 : I said US Attorney, not the Attorney General. Do you understand the difference between the two positions?
89 Falcon84 : When push comes to shove, the President will dump his "good friend." By the way, reading your signature, what does your party affiliation have to do
90 Post contains images Socal : Highly doubt that........ Nothing, just not an airbus fan. If you care to know. I never stated that, but you are old enough to come to your own opini
91 Falcon84 : I don't. A politician will look out for Numero Uno, and if Gonzalez becomes a bigger liability, he'll be gone faster than you can say "Attorney Gener
92 Socal : I said it, and he is still the " U.S. Attorney General"............... Maybe your convoluted, am not going to waste my time to type a huge clarificat
93 Falcon84 : Translation: "I don't have a friggin' clue what I said to you, and I really don't have anything to back me up except ignorant words." Friend, if you
94 Post contains images Baroque : Oh dear Falcon, they are just sticking their collective jaws out. How can you be so cruel as to accept such targets? You might be in a minority on th
95 AGM100 : I do Halls ,, I just applied it to the AG as well. I agree a US Attorney has achieved a pretty good career mark for sure.
96 Socal : Yea, the 5th, its what you will lose if you keep on voting for Democrats, since they believe the government should control everything, from the 2nd a
97 Itsjustme : Here's a clue; Bush has been in office for close to 7 years. Quit playing the, "But Clinton..." card. It only makes you look foolish. Our nations wor
98 Seb146 : I apologize. I was connecting too many dots. However, Bush has used signing statements to bypass laws he has signed. The McCain torture bill, for exa
99 Falcon84 : You're kidding. We have a president, RIGHT NOW, from the GOP, who has the biggest, most overbearing government of all time, and he thinks it should b
100 Post contains images Halls120 : Yes, I am, thanks!
101 AGM100 : Falcon if this is the evil administration you dream it to be ... Why did the administration even go to congress and work though the normal chains of
102 Falcon84 : Oh, I don't know-because it's required? If it wasn't required, you think he'd really go to Congress? Doubt it. Yes, they passed it. No debate was all
103 Seb146 : Yes, FISA still has to issue warrants, but the administration has done end-runs around FISA. The administration has gone ahead with searches, wire ta
104 Falcon84 : Close enough, and, often, they get neither as well. All those on here supporting these measures, simply don't get that everytime we let the governmen
105 AGM100 : The issue really gets simple when you ask yourself are we at war or are we not. ? In a time of war sacrifices are made by the citizenry that work for
106 Post contains links Halls120 : So how do you explain away the fact that when Congress had the time to study the Patriot Act at the time it had to be reauthorized, that they did rea
107 Post contains images Falcon84 : Necssary? Yes, to make sure they get the votes back at home. Lord knows you don't want your opponent saying you're not a Patriot.
108 AGM100 : Good enough for me , that is what it is all about Falcon. I have been watching it close enough to be interested in another plan offered by the oppone
109 AGM100 : I was not aware that this was ever proven ... accusations are one thing and the fear of this happening is valid. But I dont believe it was ever prove
110 Falcon84 : That's not good enough for me. It should be what's besf for the nation and it's people, and I don't think this paranoid act is in the interest of thi
111 Post contains links Halls120 : That's right, blame Bush. Only thing is, Bush isn't the only one on the hook for implementing the 9/11 Commission recommendations. There's that group
112 Falcon84 : You're right. The previous GOP-dominated Congress is also at fault. One good thing the Dems are trying to do is get the commission's recommendations
113 Halls120 : I guess you missed the part of the article where Bush asks the democratically controlled Congress to "act on the outstanding 9/11 Commission recommen
114 Falcon84 : And where were those exhortations the last 5+ years for the GOP-dominated Congress? They could have passed it, and they didn't? Answer that one.
115 DavestanKSAN : Of course you excuse the fact that President Bush has had almost three years to implement the tactics founded by the 9/11 commission.... Dave
116 Falcon84 : How dare you put in facts, Dave, to ruin the image Halls is trying to create! The fact is the GOP has been almost negligent the lat few years in impl
117 Halls120 : Tell me Dave, are you in the Congress? DHS, or any other part of the Administration? Have any personal knowledge as to how difficult is it to actuall
118 Post contains images Halls120 : Sorry, I missed this one. Just to help you out, I'm going to repeat something I said on another post. "How typically democratic. Yes, the republicans
119 Falcon84 : Thank God. And it seems that we're moving further along on the 9/11 commission's recommendations in the last few months than we have in the last 3 ye
120 Post contains images Halls120 : Did you perhaps post this in the wrong thread? Come on Falcon, this entire thread has been little more than a blame game from the start. And really -
121 Post contains links and images DavestanKSAN : Yes I am, now contribute to my campaign I say . I don't eat any meat besides fish, so there will be no pork in my budget muwahaha. Seriously Halls, d
122 Halls120 : Of course not. But when you fling general accusations of incompetence with any amplifying information, it speaks of partisan blathering, not informed
123 Pope : So there you have it. You've made all these posts ranting against "a law" that you concede doesn't exist. It seems that instead of worrying about "bi
124 Seb146 : *ahem* ONE person (me) has admitted to NOT being able to find EXACTLY what I wanted to find. HOWEVER, I did find the administration running rampant i
125 AGM100 : Halls , although the media made the last election out to be about the Iraq war . I personally and the group I meet with gave the Congress low marks f
126 Pope : Show me where (anywhere in the Constitution, US Code or caselaw) it says that signing statements are worth the paper they are written on. Cite for me
127 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Sorry Halls, let us all bow down before thee and thou grand knowledge of everything. . Was that source not good enough for you? Need me to give you m
128 Post contains links and images Halls120 : You obviously have me confused with N1120A. Tell me, do you know why the administration opposes that one part of the bill? I do. It's easy to find, a
129 Post contains links and images DavestanKSAN : Agreed, sorry for not expanding on it. Thanks for the link you provided btw. I'm wondering, why then, if securing the ports is such a high priority,
130 Post contains links Halls120 : First of all, the Administration didn't "propose" the deal. It was a private transaction. Dubai Ports World wanted to purchase the operating rights p
131 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Caught up again in these pesky details . My mistake then. An interesting detail because the SOT at the time was John Snow. Although I'm not as naive
132 Halls120 : The opposition was indeed bipartisan. But it was still stupid. Congress wrote a law. The Administration evaluated the proposed sale according to the
133 Falcon84 : I don't necessarily thinkg "democratic values" is the answer. Trying to solve the Palestinian problem is part of it; raising the standard of living a
134 AGM100 : Sometimes I use democratic values as a short way of saying ... economic stability, representation for the average person, freedom of religion ,and the
135 Itsjustme : Uh oh, Halls. You appear to be doing a little back pedaling. First you say, indicating the administration doesn't oppose the issue. Then you say, You
136 Post contains images Halls120 : no discrepancy at all. And besides, I don't wake up in the morning and worry about my credibility on Anet. When I said that the administration doesn'
137 Post contains images Halls120 : In re-reading the entire exchange, I realize an apology is in order. In my original response to Dave, I wasn't properly focused on the point he was m
138 RJdxer : Again, if they are political appointees they are expected to act accordingly. Given the Democratic Congresses new penchant for supeanos and investiga
139 Seb146 : No, I actually have to work and don't have days to devote to searching. I get tired at night from physical labor and give myself only an hour, or som
140 Pope : Executive privilege has nothing to do with this. The signing statements you make mention of are part of the public record as are the court decisions
141 Seb146 : Okay, Pope, I have a few minutes to spare.... So you are more concerned with law suits over signing statements than the actual signing statement? The
142 Pope : I'm not concerned with an act that carries with it absolutely no impact whatsoever. Again, I challenge you to find a single instance of any court (st
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