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Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked  
User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Some news just coming in: the American Cultural Centre (or is it the Consulate) in the eastern Indian city of Kolkata(formerly Calcutta) was attacked by masked gunmen in what appears to be a drive-by shooting.

Two of the masked gunmen were killed by Policemen. 3 others were also killed in the militant attack.

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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Four killed, 17 injured in attack on USIS office

(PTI): At least four security personnel were killed and 17 others injured, including a number of bystanders, in a suspected terrorist attack on the United States Information Service at Jawaharlal Nehru Road in the heart of Kolkata on Tuesday morning.

Six policemen were among the critically wounded, Deputy Commissioner of police (HQ) Banibrata Bose said.

Four unidentified gunmen came in two motorbikes and fired indiscriminately on the police picket outside the USIS known as American Centre at around 6:35 am, Deputy Commissioner of Police (HQ) Banibarata Bose said.

The gunmen fled from the spot after the attack. The police have cordoned off the entire area, Bose said.

The injured have been admitted to SSKM hospital, Bose said adding that all of them are in critical condition.

However, an unconfirmed report said that all the four gunmen were also killed in the exchange of fire with security forces.

[http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jan/22usis.htm]



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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

sucks

User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Could just be Naxalites rather than the usual murderous jihadi Puki scumbags. We'll have to wait and see. OTOH, ISI penetration is pretty high in W. Bengal due to Commie pigs....

User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1188 times:

VirginA340:Just for the record,according to local intelligence sources,they suspect that the attack was carried out by an INDIAN Islamic radical group.I have also heard that the Indian armed forces have stepped down their level of alertness so you wont see them marching up Islamabad any time soon.

Hoffa:Dont use the phrase "Paki".Its a racist term used in the UK against Pakistanis AND Indians.
I actually agree with hoffas viewpoint that a really 'small 'group such as the Naxalities (radiacal commie groups of armed peasants) is responsible.If they were big then the group would have surely gone for a 'bigger' target,like US emabassies in Mumbai or Delhi.

BarfBag:Anything you can tell me about Islamic groups in India?I have got some here for you: Hizbul Mujahedin,Jamiat ul-Mujahedin and Harket ul-Mujahedin.



User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

G-KIRAN: NONE of the groups you have mentioned is Indian.

If an India-based terrorist organisation has done it, then it is most probably likely to be the SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India, which has been banned for long).

Its unlikely that the Maoists or Naxals are involved in this raid.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Speculation!?! When was the last time your aussie ass was in India pal? Why don't you tone it done with the farleft liberal ideology conspiracy theories!

Maybe I'll get lucky and you'll some how end up as a prisioner on Pakistani soil and we'll see how they treat you when you try to be "sympathetic" to their cause.

Then again it shouldn't surprise me since your anit US views are even worse compared to your comment that you said to me. Aren't you the same person telling Indian Guy that Pakistan isn't responisble for the attack on the Parliment. Get a life. Indian Guy and I know alot more about Indian afairs than some far left aussie on a trip spurting off anti american crap!



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Indianguy:I got those from The Worlds Most Dangerous Places,they were in the India section.Does the fanatic Mullah of the Jame Majid in Delhi have any connections?


VirginA340:I think you're the one who should tone it down!As for the Indian Parliament attack,so far no one has claimed responsibility and as far as I know the culprit(s) has/have not been confirmed.So I was just wondering how do you know for sure that the attack was ordered by the Pakistan government?


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

G-KIRAN: These groups u mentioned are based in and operating from Pakistan or territories occupied by it.

As for a certain book mentioning it as Indian organisations, well, the BBC and CNN to this day keep saying that the IC814 hijacking was by *Kashmiri militants* when it clearly wasnt, even according to their own govt!

About the attack on the Indian parliament, there is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence to prove Paksitan Army's active participation in the same.

Transcripts of Cell-phone conversations made by the Pakistani terrorists to their masters in Rawalpindi have just been revealed by India.

To get back to the topic on todays attack, the Home Minister of India has revealed that a Dubai based Mafia dons involvement has been established *beyond reasonable doubt*, though his name wasnt revealed.


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1150 times:


Hoffa

Any truth in the rumour that you are the United States longest surviving brain transplant donor??


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

somebody tell me why theyre always picking on us americans?


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

G-KIRAN: There are no 'Indian' Islamic terrorist outfits per se. Sure there are Naxalites and Maoist ones, but they are not Muslim, obviously. There are probably some fringe outfits like those of the now-banned SIMI, but they are nowhere as potent as those that come from Pakistan.

The Hizb-ul-Mujahideen is more of an indigenous Kashmiri outfit, headed by Syed Salahuddin, who is currently in Pakistan (Lahore ?). They are based in the part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan, and have been more inclined to attack the Indian armed forces in Kashmir, rather than civilians, as the Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed (both blacklisted Pakistani outfits manned by Pakistanis and foreigners - Chechen, Somali and other) do .

The Harkat-ul-Mujahideen is a Pakistani outfit which was earlier called Harkat-ul-Ansar (but changed the name after they were blacklisted by the US State Dept). They were also known as the Al Faran. They were responsible for the kidnapping of 5 foreign trekkers - 2 Brits, an American, a German and a Norwegian. The German apparently escaped, and in revenge they beheaded the Norwegian (Hans Christian Ostro). The remaining 3 were never found and are presumed dead. As far as I know, they did not negotiate, at least seriously.

As for the third, I have no idea. Regarding the Calcutta attack, I agree its probably too early to place responsibility, but it was rather amateurish anyway, even though 5 people died. Those rent-a-cops had only WW2 vintage .303 Enfield bolt-action rifles. If the US wants to protect their interests in India they need to help upgrade the guards' equipment.



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

somebody tell me why theyre always picking on us americans?

If you, unlike many of your narrowminded countrymen, were willing to wait for the enquiry to be completed you will find out what grievance (alleged or real) these people had.

Each "side" immediately blames the other, but I think it's better to wait and find out first, it might save a couple of wars!




VH-ADG


User currently offline764er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

Yeah ADG, because sometimes it's ok to go shooting places up. But only if you're killing Americans. My fuc***g God. Get a grip.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

G-KIRAN; Are you really that damn nieve! Why don't you come to India and ask around like I have or better yet. The UK has a large hindu community! Ask them! And please don't tell me to trone down when i'm right!

ADG! Why don't you spew your crap in Berkly, CA. They'd love to hear your crap.



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

ADG; The US is proactive rather than un active. When we get attacked by a certain group/country. We will fight back and when we do someone's ass is grass! I wonder how liberal aussies like you will react if a Qantas 747 was hijacked and smashed into your parliment or a crowded place like the Opera House.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Oh look! Somehow Pakistan is blamed again! Why not blame Pakistan for everything, huh?

Get a grip guys, please!



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

Ryanb741. Because Pakistan is usually behind more than half of this shit that is going on


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

VirginA340: Ryanb741 has a point. No matter how much of the shit Paksitan may have done, it completely defeats the purpose to speculate on the blame before the blood has dried (if you'll excuse the phrase), much less before investigations have been carried out to establish the identity of the culprit. Credibility is much easier to lose than to gain.


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User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

IndianGuy:The groups were in the India section.So if their not Indian,then they must be operating in India.

VirginA340:Are you really that damn nieve! Why don't you come to India and ask around like I have or better yet. The UK has a large hindu community! Ask them.

What do you think I am?Dont you recongnise which language my name comes from?Besides who excatly did you ask Shahib?The guy next door? Wink/being sarcasticOh and when you're right,try not to sound like a yob.

VirginA340:We will fight back and when we do someone's ass is grass!Where on earth where you when IndianGuy and Barfbag where talking about the US helicopter incident?

Ryanb741:Good point.Remember when McVeigh took out that building in an attempt to kill Janet Reno?I am sure that at first everyone thought that it was some major terroist group and they were shocked to find out that it was none other then an all American boy from Buffalo,NY.

Barfbag:Their still using Enfields!?That design in fact dates back all the way to WWI.I would have thought that they would have been supplied with something like an AK47,their cheap after all.

I have also read about the suspected link to a Dubai based group,so how do you think India will respond?


User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

I hope the people who committed this vile act are arrested, tried, humiliated and punished by putting them behind bars for the rest of their lives.Nobody deserves this kind of fate, and I hope India cracks down hard on people who think they can get away with people who harm the innocent.

User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

IndianGuy:The groups were in the India section.So if their not Indian,then they must be operating in India.

Of course. They can't be fighting India while sitting in the Pakistani side can they ?  Smile They come into the Indian section, but none of them are based on this side.

Barfbag:Their still using Enfields!?That design in fact dates back all the way to WWI.I would have thought that they would have been supplied with something like an AK47,their cheap after all.

There are many issues with upgrading weaponry. Cops have shown a high tendency to lose their guns, or maintain them poorly. There's also a fear that if a widespread decision is made to equip cops with better guns, they'll invite crooks to steal them. This is something I read at another Indian defence site. Someone talked about taking all the captured AK47s from Kashmir and equipping the Indian police with them.

I have also read about the suspected link to a Dubai based group,so how do you think India will respond?

It has been established to some extent that sometime last year a Calcutta businessman was kidnapped, and the ransom paid for him was partly transferred to Pakistan, from where $100000 of it was forwarded to Mohammed Atta, the WTC 1 bomber. The latest attack on USIS Calcutta was apparently in retaliation for one of those kidnappers (who are from Dubai/Pakistan) being killed in Mumbai (the details escape me).



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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

A word about Enfields. While the original design may be of WWII vintage, it has been upgraded many times over.

These are new build Enfields we are talking about. I plan to swap my Yamaha for one very soon!


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