LAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2829 times:
Let that son of a %$@!# burn in hell. Worthless piece of shit, should have died in the failed attempt in the first place, I know its inhumane but when people like these who give a bad name to Muslims everywhere, tryto harm innocent civilians, this bastard deserved to be shot when he was burning. Good riddance.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
sure, but police usually is interested to have them alive for some questioning, to find it as much as possible. So that he possibly has just lived long enough for them. And as his "companion" apparently is still alive, they can work on that chap and bring that one to court.
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 2): has been wasted trying to keep this bastard alive for a month - most likely in an intensive care unit.
you have to look at that from a more scientific angle. They could check up analysis and methods and medicaments. The next patient may well be somebody innocent who may profit from this case.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9642 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2764 times:
I can't help wondering how the fundamentalists will try to put a spin on this. I don't see how they can reach any conclusion other than "look what he tried to do and look what happened to him". After the weeks of pain and suffering he had to endure, it doesn't seem to me that his god was particularly impressed by his actions.
Pawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
Quoting David L (Reply 4): it doesn't seem to me that his god was particularly impressed by his actions.
Allah would definately not be impressed by the act that he committed. No god would.
I think it's a good thing that he's gone.... we're one less terrorist down that way. Although, I read in the Scotsman the other day that he was being kept alive by MI5 because they feared a backlash of attacks from fundamentalist Muslims if they let him die... let's just hope it doesn't happen now.
First Class passengers are my favourites. They can't get any further forward without an ATPL.
RobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
The Original intention of the two men was to drive the vehicle filled with propane bottles into a very busy check in area and detonate it. This could have potentially killed or injured hundreds of people.
It is a pity that tax payers money was wasted keeping this attempted murderer alive . I have no sympathy for any terrorists.
Personally I would like to see the death penalty restored in the UK for this type of crime simply to avoid the tax payers having to pay for them to be kept in prison for the rest of their lives once convicted.
As far as I am concerned they give up their rights to be treated like humans the second they decide to murder others.
Cabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2673 times:
I love the news of the death, even though it may seem that I am cruel and ruthless. Truth is that I hate Terrorists- who shouldn't? Unfortunately they give the rest of the non-violent dormant Muslims a bad name as well as stir up the innocent into a stupid fight.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 9): What has happened in your life to you victims that you talk like that??
He was a terrorist intent on killing as many folks as he could so who gives a crap if he dies in a painful death himself. Obviously you do and most folks would question your intentions with a statement like that. I suppose you felt Hitler was misunderstood and just needed a hug to get over his issues with the Jews, gays, and other groups he tried to exterminate? The guy was a terrorist plain and simple and any dead terrorist is a good terrorist.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
I wish he would have lived so that he could have been interrogated by Jack Bauer. That would have been something!
Nevertheless, great news. One of the cold lagers that i will crack tonight will be in celebration of this poor fool's painful death.
I am a pretty understanding and sympathic person but this sob signed his own death sentence when he took part of this deadly plan, therefore he deserves no respect nor sympathy, from anyone. These people are prepared to kill innocent people regardless of religion and heritage, and they give peaceful muslims everywhere a bad name. In the name of peaceful people everywhere they must be stopped and if it comes to that; eliminated.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9642 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 16): I thought he was in a coma so he did not exactly suffer whilst at hospital.
True but I meant "suffer" in its broadest sense. He received burns to 90% of his body, he was seen being dragged out along the pavement, his plan having failed, and he spent his last weeks in a coma. Even if there is an afterlife, I'm not sure how he'd be able to look back with pride, only humiliation.
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2599 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3): sure, but police usually is interested to have them alive for some questioning, to find it as much as possible. So that he possibly has just lived long enough for them. And as his "companion" apparently is still alive, they can work on that chap and bring that one to court.
There you go MAF, pragmatic to the end.
Interesting we have few supporters but at least some. I am sure he was more useful burned and all in the weeks after the attempt than he has been in all the time before his attempt. I think we can be sure the Scottish polis were equally pragmatic and took as much advantage from their prize as they could.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 9285 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
I can't say I'm sorry to see a terrorist die... but I'd have liked it had he been, as it were, available for further questioning. If there is an afterlife, I hope his version of deity sends him in whatever cooler is available.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 13): I suppose you felt Hitler was misunderstood and just needed a hug
You caught me there. But in my defense Thorben is making the terrorist who died out to be some sort of victim in his words. He is also questioning how effed up the past of the posters must be to have hoped he (the terrorist) died a painful death. I threw in the Hitler reference because Thorben flies the German flag and wanted to give an example that is part of his background. Let me just go ahead and change it to Stalin or Pol Pot...will that make you all happy? The theme stays the same regardless of the name of the dictator or terrorist used.
At the end of the day hoping that someone who was hell bent on killing folks that day at the airport dies a nice peaceful death is pretty lame. He could have cared less about human lives that day so why should we give two rat's asses about his? I'll give you a hint....we shouldn't.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13492 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
Not to be mourned of course, but what is it with all the blood-lust on here?
A live, captured terrorist has the potential to squeal, thus providing possible vital intelligence.
I think, a wise way to spend taxpayer's money (when did everything get so petty ) ?)
Anyway, ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath? (No, nothing to do with a large water dwelling African animal).
That he was incompetent, makes no odds-a 'cleanskin' might more likely talk too.
The plus points are that the rest of them seem to have been rounded up.
Is The Scotsman that lame a paper? Are there not enough ludicrous conspiracy theories around?
Had I said that, it would have been because I consider it a no-no to wish that much ill on anyone. That's a different issue, but I don't think the post was made in an attempt at justifying the attacker's actions.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20): I threw in the Hitler reference because Thorben flies the German flag and wanted to give an example that is part of his background.
For all we know, his ancestors might have been opponents of Hitler. And anyway, the "Third Reich" ceased to exist in 1945 - would you be fine with being endlessly associated personally with something that happened generations before you were born? I can tell you it's rather tiring.
Nazi Germany is as much part of a German 20-something's personal background as it is part of an American 20-something; probably the former is much more educated on it. National background is an entirely different animal, but I'm sure you'd quickly find planeloads of people agreeing with "may he rot in hell" in Germany, too. So the national background would be beside the point.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20): Let me just go ahead and change it to Stalin or Pol Pot...will that make you all happy?
Hm... it's not about making anyone happy.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20): The theme stays the same regardless of the name of the dictator or terrorist used.
But there's the difference: dictators terrorise and terrorists dictate, but they are very different from each other. Terrorists aim to "destroy the system" whereas dictators depend on one.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20): At the end of the day hoping that someone who was hell bent on killing folks that day at the airport dies a nice peaceful death is pretty lame.
It is indeed.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20): He could have cared less about human lives that day so why should we give two rat's asses about his? I'll give you a hint....we shouldn't.
Oh, no need for that effort. I just worded it differently.
Quoting Aloges (Reply 18): I can't say I'm sorry to see a terrorist die.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
: I may have read that just a bit wrong. I still stand by my idea that he is being compassionate towards someone who has no compassion for anyone and t
: Delta Gator, I do understand the emotion, and won't deny I feel it a bit too. But, though in this case, he wasn't ever likely to get the chance to tal
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: this is what he definitely was NOT. But some posts took so much pleasure and exhibited such extreme emotions that it exceeds appropriate levels. True
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: Yes, fair points. I'd agree that detaining him in a fit state to talk would have been ideal but I just think the actual outcome was prefereble to a q
: the police killed him you can say what you want about the terrorists, but the truth is that they are smart at what they do, unlike most other people
: What a terrible attitude some people on this thread have.
: Good thing he had some practice for life in Hell before he went.
: Wrong. No surprise there, of course. Both comments are accurate. Flipping a scumbag is almost always worthwhile, but in this case, I doubt the a-hole
: Far from it. It will simply be passed off as "Allah's will", in much the way that any mildly tricky question put to an ardent Christian provokes the
: It offends that not only is the blood lust so manifestly on show, but it is rather dumb lust too, in as much as a talking terrorist is far better tha
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: Of course, but that will always be the case, whatever happens. I'm not saying this outcome will end terrorism, I'm simply saying that it was much les
: I just wished he had suffered with obscene pain alive longer and not in a coma wasting the taxpayers money with his medical care. At least some justic
: It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that this dope was going to die. Even people as young as he simply cannot survive with 2nd/3rd degree burns o
: Funny! And yes, the Jeep Liberty is Trail Rated.
: At Work one of the Discussion was.If Doctors & Engineers can be convinced to become Terrorists.What stops them from involving Pilots. regds MEL
: I am never happy to see a person die. And I oppose death penalty. The whole issue is just sad to me, sad that people are doing things like that, and
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: - A) no, I do NOT believe that it is wrong to assume that the prosecutors prefer a surviving and potentially talking terrorist over one who has died
: And I'm never happy to see innocent lives lost to terrorism. A terrorist though I could care less about. What does that have to do with the price of
: What? How dare you exhibit any kind of joy at the passing of such a community leader as this. This guy should be held up to society as someone that f
: Still all this about 'wasting tax payers money' on trying to keep him alive, but that is what doctors have to do, no matter who it is. We never want t
: Amen. On one hand, the stories of WW2 doctors treating enemy soldiers are reported as hero stories, but on the other hand care for one single enemy f
: I agree. I would have preferred that he spent the rest of his life in a maximum security prison getting buggeered by the likes of himself every passi
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: Most of them were students or teachers, most of the culprits in Britain of recent years were university educated people as well. Mr Reid was the stra
: I agree that bringing Hitler into the discussion was pointless in relation to these misguided characters. However, there IS a point to be made. It wo
: Most of the Sept 11th terrorists, the 'muscle', not the pilots, were ill educated boys from their respective backwoods (backsands does not read right!
: I think, GDB, that term is reserved for the granular material blocking the celestial passage of the Sphinx!! That pattern you describe seems also to
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: most did speak English fairly well or excellently, and several of them also German. - just to give two other examples out of 11Sep01. Marwan al-Shehh
: Are you saying Mosque or Madrassa. regds MEL
: It was supposed to show that I wouldn't consider it to be the appropriate verdict, therefore I have no joy of a terrorist killing himself. Fighting v
: While I somewhat agree with you that fighting them does create new ones I would love to see your ideas on what exactly we do instead. I suppose you w
: The reason why they kept him alive was that he could possibly be forced to give lead to other terrorist cells within the united kingdom, and elsewhere
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: It can be a Mosque or a Koranic School, or a supermarket or social club, everything. - "Fighting" them ? The question is how "fighting" is defined. I
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: While that's an obvious advantage, as mentioned before, I think the main reason they kept him alive was... because they could.
: Well I don't see the Atta's or the Azahari's being much in a Madrassa. The muscle might be found there. I also wonder if the Atta's would be found in
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: was the law. I suppose that also the British judiciary is to keep caught criminals alive and under medical assistance, and is NOT allowed simply to a
: ME AVN FAN, yes, I know the pilots were educated and multi-lingual, I meant many of the rest.
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: - The "rest" also was educated and multi-lingual, the only difference was that they had NOT gone to pilot courses. Whether el-Atta, who got dreary wh
: The US should end the double standards when it comes to human rights. Enemies like Syria or Iran get criticism for everything they do, but allies suc
: Ahhhh...there it is. The wonderful argument of class warfare. Turn that mirror on your own country while you're at it. And gun ownership? What the he
: Correction: your grandparents did. The current generation of chickenhawk warmongerers wouldn't know a strategy if it bit them in the ass. Powell used
: Point taken. But you're also making an assumption that I support the plans and strategy of the current administration. We may disagree on our entry i
: Not sure if "taxing the rich" is really on the agenda of social democrats. They lowered the maximum income tax rate when they were in power. Edit: uh
: Not that much, really... where'd you get that one from? I just wanted to comment on the "we" bit. It would indeed be nice to discuss this civilly, bu
: Nevertheless, I would like to see the "mulsim communtiy to act out against these stupid mindless situations. It has to make you wonder, do they reall
: Ain't that the truth. They should add it to the FAQ of forbidden topics right up there with NW's Retirement of the DC-9s. I gave them the benefit of
: Not necessarily that much. As far as personal decisions, actions and their profits are concerned, I agree that if it is what you want, the best you c
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: everything has two sides. The cutting off of financial assistance would in reality go hand in hand with cutting off exports and the loss of markets.
: Of course they ****** mind it! What they also mind is the west pratfalling around in Islamic countries making the situation a whole lot worse. The Gr
: a) this has nothing to do with class warfare b) The gap between rich and poor is way smaller in Germany than in the US. Hence we have less crime. I'd
: You just did not learn your lessons at Kasserine Pass or at the Gustav Line Thorben!! And one has to assume he has never heard of Kursk. Aside from t
: Probably not, but can we shake his world view by saying that the UK, France, and especially Russia had a bigger part in the kicking of a particular p
: I respect your right to criticize. I may not agree with it but you've got all the right in the world to criticize. I only asked what the hell gun con
: Really? Well, thanks for that. It has to do with cleaning your own doorstep before complaining about the snow on your neighbour's roof. Given how muc
: People, corporations, etc. are constantly giving away scholarships. If you work hard enough and look hard enough you can get any education you want i
: Exactly. At my university, nearly half the students are on financial aid. At a few elite schools, such as Harvard and Princeton, I believe, they will
: Well some do seem to but in the sense as spelled and not as a euphemism for a part of the anatomy. Seemed a perfectly reasonable reply to me. I might
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: he was NOT around then - So that you, unless you have lots of money, depend on the welfare and goodwill of generous individuals or of some corporatio
: No, I know he was not, but then neither was he around for WWI and WWII which Dg seemed to think held lessons for him as a German. I was also being a
: And the problem with that is what exactly? Education beyond high school is a priveledge than a right.
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: The problem is that whomever gets a company-scholarship in a way becomes an employee of that company. AND it is obvious that no objective criteria in
: Uhmm....no they don't. The scholarship is granted based on your academic performance. If you keep the grades up in college then you can keep the scho
: WADR it is the reality that you are used to but the right that MAF writes about has been found to be a useful social device in many other societies.
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: .... where ? oh sorry, in the USA of course. But NOT in Europe, and this is what Thorben referred to above. -
: No need to forgive you guys. If you want to have higher education as some sort of right then by all means have at it. I just beg to differ because it
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: I do prefer the "friendly federal government" to a friendly company