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Amtrak Talgo Trains Removed From Service  
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Amtrak uses Talgo trainsets on their Cascades service in Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia. Due to cracks found in the suspension towers, all trainsets have been bad ordered immediately and indefinitely.

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/a/AMTK466Delta1.jpg.71474.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/i/IMG_3796.JPG.95626.jpg

Amtrak is scrambling to send spare and reserve standard coaches and other cars to the northwest to fill the gap.

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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Here's a vid of the grounded consist...




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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6157 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
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Amtrak sure has had problems with its "modern" equipment. They should have just built new versions of 1940-50s equipment and they wouldn't have had any trouble.

I always liked a trip in "Heritage" car on Amtrak. Amfleet and Superliner equipment is ok too. I don't like the Horizon fleet or any of the newer stuff. It doesn't have the feel of the older equipment. I have taken several trips with the Union Pacific business car fleet (Kansas City to Chicago and St. Louis to Atlanta). Nothing like those kind of train cars for ride quality and comfort. I also once rode on a NS heavyweight business car. That was the best ride I ever experienced on a train.

I guess what I really should say is that they don't build them the way they used to.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20783 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

I read about this in Saturday's paper. They're sending buses instead!


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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11760 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

Tuesday morning update: AMTRAK has brought in rail coaches to restore some service EUG-PDX-SEA. The Oregonian reports there will be 3 round trips a day SEA-PDX and one PDX-EUG, but there will be no business class and fewer other amenities. I hope they get them back soon. Business class on Cascades is great! I don't go on it often, but I would much rather go on the train than drive in SEA!


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User currently offlinePhilGil From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

Some service was actually restored yesterday (Monday). Amtrak did an uncharacteristically good job getting substitute equipment up and running. Here is yesterday’s 12:30 pm service Portland-Seattle.

http://www.pbase.com/pgilston/image/83488660.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/pgilston/image/83488662.jpg

I agree about the Talgo trains being a nice ride and an excellent way to travel between Seattle and Portland.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Talgo's are nice, but I hate the fake whistle sound from the loco's on those trainsets. If you've heard one in person you know what I mean.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20783 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

From all the good things people are saying about The Cascades while they're out of service, I should take a trippie up to Seattle when they come back online. Twenty years ago I remember connecting to a train in France that was branded as "Talgo" to continue my trip from Nice to Switzerland, and it was the nearest thing to an oceanliner on rails in First.

Business class up to Seattle doesn't appear to be all that pricey at all.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 6):
Talgo's are nice, but I hate the fake whistle sound from the loco's on those trainsets. If you've heard one in person you know what I mean.

They sound fake?



User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):
Amtrak

I don't know anything about Amtrak but your pictures are the best I've ever seen.
Thank you for sharing them.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Quoting StrasserB (Reply 9):
I don't know anything about Amtrak but your pictures are the best I've ever seen.

They're not mine. They're from Coz's railroad pic site. www.railpictures.net


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Maybe not all of them, but some of those engines have that "artificial" horn sound. You can tell on the P42's now as well. A clear difference from a couple of years ago. Perhaps the engines got a new horn when they were ugraded. I read something about it on trainorders not that long ago.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
I read about this in Saturday's paper. They're sending buses instead!

Good hear about a solution.

I know someone will pick these up and restore them. Mark or Coz, who does that type of stuff?

Hunter



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Perhaps the engines got a new horn when they were ugraded.



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 12):
Mark or Coz, who does that type of stuff?

Coz can't come out and play right now. He's been grounded for being a bad little boy.

Amtrak sent a bunch of older Amfleet and Heritage units up there to take the place of the Talgos. See reply #5.


User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
Amtrak sent a bunch of older Amfleet and Heritage units up there to take the place of the Talgos

Any news on when (if?) the Talgos will be back? I've always wanted to take that train...



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5677 times:
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Great looking trains. I finally saw a Talgo set up in SEA last month while on business.

I've often wondered, what was behind the design? I mean the 'low riding' coaches and the sweeping roof structures that contunie in contour to the engine. It looks stunning but I never really looked into whether or not it was functional.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 15):
I've often wondered, what was behind the design?

Big version: Width: 576 Height: 364 File size: 45kb


The Talgo cars hang on four suspension towers that connect to the bogies (trucks). The body of the rail car essentially functions and moves like a glider-type porch swing:



User currently offlinePhilGil From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 15):
I've often wondered, what was behind the design? I mean the 'low riding' coaches and the sweeping roof structures that contunie in contour to the engine. It looks stunning but I never really looked into whether or not it was functional.

Talgo technology was developed in Spain, with the first revenue trains entering service in the early 1950’s. Mark's porch swing analogy is a great way of visualizing the suspension system. The low, light, articulated trains can run faster than conventional stock on routes with lots of curves. They are also easier on the track at high speeds. Lots of info on this website.

The “sweeping roof structures” on the Cascades trainsets may contribute a bit to aerodynamic efficiency, but are there primarily for looks. Spanish Talgo trains often run with low-slung locomotives that more closely match the height of the cars.

[Edited 2007-08-09 06:03:53]

User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5610 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 12):
I know someone will pick these up and restore them. Mark or Coz, who does that type of stuff?

From Amtrak's POV, the best alternative would be to make whatever repairs are needed on site. If that is not possible, they will probably deadhead the train sets to Beach Grove and do the work there. There aren't that many outfits that rebuild passenger cars, especially something like Talgo. My bet is that they go to Beach Grove for rebuilds as quickly as Amtrak can work it out

For those unfamiliar with Amtrak, Beach Grove, Indiana is their car and locomotive shops for the entire system.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 18):
Talgo.

Heard of them. I just wonder what will go next?

Hunter



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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
They're not mine. They're from Coz's railroad pic site.

Since when was Coz Chris Kilroy?


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

I always though they looked ridiculous those things. Big grin

User currently offlineMdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Nice looking trains, sad to see them go.

User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 22):
Nice looking trains, sad to see them go.

Well, they're not gone for good-just until the problems can be eliminated. Amtrak holds onto trainsets as long as they are viable-remember the Rohr Turboliners? Most likely, engineering will come up with a solution and the cars will either be fixed on site or sent via hospital train to Beech Grove for overhaul.



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User currently offlineMdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 23):
Well, they're not gone for good-just until the problems can be eliminated. Amtrak holds onto trainsets as long as they are viable-remember the Rohr Turboliners? Most likely, engineering will come up with a solution and the cars will either be fixed on site or sent via hospital train to Beech Grove for overhaul.

True.
*thinking back*

Why is it that Amtrak rarely ever gets any good press?


25 OB1504 : Don't they do some work at Hialeah, too? (how weird would it be to see three or more Talgo trainsets normally used in the Pacific Northwest in the he
26 57AZ : Because the same press that bashes Amtrak as pork spending gets revenue from ads sold to the car manufacturers. Nevermind that trains are more effici
27 Mdodd : I couldn't agree more. I feel the same exact way.
28 57AZ : I am happy that Tucson is taking some steps in the right direction. We are now planning additions to the route of the Old Pueblo Trolley which will be
29 KaiGywer : That's what I'm wondering too
30 AeroWesty : On Thursday afternoon I was crossing the Steel Bridge and caught a glimpse of what I think is one of the replacement trains sitting at Union Station.
31 57AZ : True. Look at how much the folks who own property along the MAX lines have profitted. Their land value has increased significantly. Also, look at how
32 AeroWesty : When you consider that SF is also connected by BART, Cal-Train, and the ferry system, it's amazing that there's still a long backup at the Toll Plaza
33 Post contains links Da man : You forgot Houston, TX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METRORail
34 Walter747 : Excuse my ignorance but what is a Talgo train? What makes it different form any other train? Cheers, Justin
35 AsstChiefMark : Please see the original post and replies 1, 8, and 16.
36 Walter747 : Oh, is it the same design as the Acela Express?
37 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : No. Talgo uses hanging suspension towers that extend well into the carbody. Inertia essentially tilts the carbody as it goes around curves. Acela use
38 Post contains links SKY1 : I dunno know how is TALGO performing at the States, but in Spain is a legendary train from the 50's. Nowadays we have the oldest one TALGO III to serv
39 Post contains images KaiGywer : You forgot Mpls I rode it the other day actually, great way to go spotting at MSP. Park for free at the MoA, then pay $3 for a six hour pass
40 Halls120 : One reason there is a backup at the Bay Bridge every morning is the same reason there are massive backups on the highways leading into downtown DC -
41 Post contains links Seb146 : They are still building it. I drove through to YVR for Canada Day and they had the poles up for the Southcenter section, but they are still working o
42 57AZ : Sorry guys, my mistake. Anyways, I think the point is made clear. Light rail is on the rebound nationwide-pretty amazing that it has spread so quickl
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