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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

This one should certainly prove interesting for you Church of Global Warming types............

www.UltimateGlobalWarmingChallenge.com


$100,000 will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that humans are causing harmful global warming. The winning entry will specifically reject both of the following two hypotheses:

UGWC Hypothesis 1:
Manmade emissions of greenhouse gases do not discernibly, significantly and predictably cause increases in global surface and tropospheric temperatures along with associated stratospheric cooling.

UGWC Hypothesis 2:
The benefits equal or exceed the costs of any increases in global temperature caused by manmade greenhouse gas emissions between the present time and the year 2100, when all global social, economic and environmental effects are considered.

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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

The link leads to this thread!  Wow!

Incidentally, I wonder if these anti-global warming people could actually come up with the money if required.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Here's a good link.

http://www.ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com/


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Sounds pretty sketchy to me, specifically these rules:

2. Entrants acknowledge that the concepts and terms mentioned and referred to in the UGWC hypotheses are inherently and necessarily vague, and involve subjective judgment. JunkScience.com reserves the exclusive right to determine the meaning and application of such concepts and terms in order to facilitate the purpose of the contest.

8. A fee of $15 is required for each entry submitted. There will be no refunds of entry fees.

14. Entrants waive all rights and claims against JunkScience.com related to, or arising from the UGWC.

So you have to pay $15 to enter, no guarantees of a winner based God knows what standards, and you waive all claims against JunkScience. I dunno, sounds like a cool idea without the fees and vague rules I guess. But with them, it sounds like a witch hunt that you have to pay to enter.

Dave



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 1):
anti-global warming people

...define please.


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Just look at what's happened in Britain over the last 2 years: hottest summer on record in 2006 followed by the wettest summer on record in 2007. Something is seriously effecting our weather patterns and global warming is the likely culprit. Yes, the greenhouse effect is a perfectly natural phenomenon and is the very reason this planet is habitable and not a ball of ice. Global warming is also natural and tends go go through cycles over thousands of years. However, the key issue is the rate of change. It's happening over a few decades rather than thousands of years, that's the key issue. There is a perfect correlation between greenhouse gas emissions and global temperatures, eg atmospheric CO2 is double what it used to be and average temperatures are rising as CO2 and other gasses are. Would that suffice for the $100,000? I won't be paying $15 for the privilege though, sounds like a scam me.

Darren



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8681 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 5):
sounds like a scam me.

 checkmark  It's no more than a nice way to make x times $15.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

I offer anyone who can prove to me that the sky is blue a reward of 100 Euros.

The definition of "sky" and "blue" shall be up to me.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1847 times:

It's the perfect challenge. Try to prove the existence of something that doesn't exist. Perhaps the website thinks they can make a few bucks off some people trying though.

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2990 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1835 times:
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Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 5):
Just look at what's happened in Britain over the last 2 years: hottest summer on record in 2006 followed by the wettest summer on record in 2007. Something is seriously effecting our weather patterns and global warming is the likely culprit.

This kind of mentality is part of the problem. Climate is NOT something you can look at over 2-3 years and say "OMG we caused it to change!". When we are talking about global warming, we are talking 1 degree rise in average temperature over 5-10 years or more. And these trends are not apparent in temperate climates just because they have so much variation. Europe will see a major cold snap in the next decade more than likely, and another drought at some point... Local weather varies greatly year to year. Just because this year is hotter or colder means diddly squat. Human action may well be affecting climate, however the world isn't going to end tomorrow because of it either.

Anyways, this challenge looks like a scam to me. $15 to enter, they are gonna make millions and then choose some 8 year olds "proof" of human induced global warming... steer well clear i say.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

It's a scam. And the presentation betrays fundamental misunderstandings about how science operates.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1817 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
It's a scam. And the presentation betrays fundamental misunderstandings about how science operates.

So...I'll pay your entry fee if you submit to me your rebuttal. I'd like to see it.

Global warming? Sure.....

Are we causing it? Maybe.....I do know that the city of Atlanta is on average three to five degrees warmer than Stone Mountain or Douglasville. How much does the heat retention properties of concrete and asphalt have to do with the increase in temperatures?

How much does the production of energy have to do with it?

What's the real answer going to be?


Hasn't the Earth been warming up since the Ice Age? What caused that before we industrialized?



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 9):
This kind of mentality is part of the problem. Climate is NOT something you can look at over 2-3 years and say "OMG we caused it to change!".

THANK YOU!

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
betrays fundamental misunderstandings about how science operates

...perhaps you mean "portrays", ya know, as do the vast majority of the Global Warming's gonna get us types?


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
So...I'll pay your entry fee if you submit to me your rebuttal. I'd like to see it.

Since they have no clue about scientific work anyway, there's nothing to actually rebut there.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Global warming? Sure.....

It's based on measurements and increasingly accurate models. And it is a reality, whether your eyes are open or not.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Hasn't the Earth been warming up since the Ice Age?

No, not at the rapidly accelerating pace we've seen since industrialization began.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 12):
...perhaps you mean "portrays", ya know, as do the vast majority of the Global Warming's gonna get us types?

Whether you realize it or not, the vast majority of climatologists doing actual scientific work are in agreement that it is a) an accelerating trend and b) beyond reasonable doubt a consequence of human activity to at least a significant degree.

For some people denial is a lifestyle - that still doesn't negate reality.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
No, not at the rapidly accelerating pace we've seen since industrialization began.

Hmm, so what your saying is this.

Burning fossil fuels raises CO2 concentrations in the air. This leads to higher temps. Warmer oceans lead to more frequent and devistating storms which will kill us all.

B, C, and D followed A, therefore A must have caused B, C, and D.
Sure, if you overlook the relatively quiet 2006 hurricane season and the weather people lowering storm estimates this year.

Or...

Higher CO2 levels leads to higher temps. Ice melts causing ocean levels to rise. Everyone dies.

Sure, if you skip over the studies that show more ice in Antarctica, not less. Or higher temps in Greenland before I ever owned an air-conditioner and a car.

Why does every prediction of global disaster rely on computer modelling? Don't these models rely on data on the front end with assumptions built in to yield a result? Not saying anyone has done this, but why can't people fudge the numbers a bit to yield a result they want?

In the 70's magazines were talking of a global cooling trend and another ice age. Have temperatures risen in the last 30 years? Probably. Is this man made? Prove it.

Is it really time to wreak the global economy on the off chance we might achieve a degree or two of global cooling by the end of the decade?


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 9):
This kind of mentality is part of the problem. Climate is NOT something you can look at over 2-3 years and say "OMG we caused it to change!".

If you read the rest of my post, you'll notice I refer to long term changes. That was just an example. As someone who works in the environment industry and partially deal with the impacts of climate change, I'm well aware of the science behind it all. I don't want to get in to a debate about it here since it's been covered many times.

Darren



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
the vast majority of climatologists doing actual scientific work are in agreement that it is a) an accelerating trend and b) beyond reasonable doubt a consequence of human activity to at least a significant degree.

...two words: show proof


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Whether you realize it or not, the vast majority of climatologists doing actual scientific work are in agreement that it is a) an accelerating trend and b) beyond reasonable doubt a consequence of human activity to at least a significant degree.

Along with the proof why don't you show your realistic solution. And answer the question "will we make a reverse impact if we cease using all internal combustion engines, and all coal fired power plants across the world?"



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 14):
Hmm, so what your saying is this.

Burning fossil fuels raises CO2 concentrations in the air. This leads to higher temps. Warmer oceans lead to more frequent and devistating storms which will kill us all.

Nonsense. I've said nothing like that. The actual scientific research is readly available on the internet, so I see little reason to spend my limited time on debunking the fallacies du jour all over again.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 3):
But with them, it sounds like a witch hunt that you have to pay to enter.

Sort of like the inquistion the economy is supposed to be wrecked to pay for.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
It's based on measurements and increasingly accurate models. And it is a reality, whether your eyes are open or not.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
For some people denial is a lifestyle - that still doesn't negate reality.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmm.....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm

The usual insult. If you dare question the "science" you are in a state of denial. Just like religions of old. But yet rather than take a paid for chance on 100 large, you pass. Now that shows conviction!


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6071 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1623 times:
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Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 5):
Just look at what's happened in Britain over the last 2 years: hottest summer on record in 2006 followed by the wettest summer on record in 2007.

The hottest summer on record in the USA was in 1934. 1954 was also a hot one with some odd weather in many parts of the country.

I am not saying global warming isn't an issue, but we have had hot weather before. I just don't think global warming is something that happened in the last few years. I think it has been going on for a long time.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 1):
I wonder if these anti-global warming people could actually come up with the money if required.

A lot of anti global warming organizations (oil, coal, etc0 have plenty of money.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Are we causing it? Maybe.....I do know that the city of Atlanta is on average three to five degrees warmer than Stone Mountain or Douglasville. How much does the heat retention properties of concrete and asphalt have to do with the increase in temperatures?

I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that most large cities hotter than the surrounding areas.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1620 times:
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 20):
I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that most large cities hotter than the surrounding areas.

I do wonder what the solution to that is.....that much heat retention has got to be a factor in some environmental record keeping.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
The actual scientific research is readly available on the internet,

Pictures of Bigfoot/Sasquatch are available on the interweb

along with a very interesting group of people who believe that the earth is flat. They have science, too. http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Wikipedia is also a web based research tool.......edited mostly by teenagers.

Now...how about your theories on how to stop the warming through human action.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6071 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
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Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
Pictures of Bigfoot/Sasquatch are available on the interweb

along with a very interesting group of people who believe that the earth is flat. They have science, too

I once wrote a paper in high school detailing how pollution control on cars led to the downfall of American society. I talked about how US unemployment and crime was all related the use of catalytic converters.

The goal of the assignment was to write a theory that was nonsense and support it with made up facts. What it was supposed to show that anything can sound good if it is written well.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Interesting, the whole entire site is devoted to anti-global warming. Therefore, no minds will change, and its one big scam. Besides, those that are educated would rather write a thesis than pay $15 to a anti-warming website.

If you understand science...it is clear that man-made global warming is a reality. However, I can see the other side of the debate, in that there are other things to consider (such as solar output), to how much are humans actually affecting the temperatures...there may be more outside factors, there may be more evidence to human influence...just like medical research, new things are constantly found, as other questions open up.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 22):
The goal of the assignment was to write a theory that was nonsense and support it with made up facts. What it was supposed to show that anything can sound good if it is written well.

Hey!....You're qualified to write for the New York TImes AND the New Republic!!! Congrats!!!!



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25 DavestanKSAN : Okay? Not sure if you missed a word there, but can you clairify that for me? Thanks. Dave
26 DL021 : Well put. I'm certain that we've had something to do with some of the temperature increase.....I wonder whether we can change it. I'd like less smog.
27 RJdxer : No, no words missed, you were equating the contest to a witch hunt and I equated the global warming crowd to the inquisition. If you dare utter a bla
28 AA787823 : I personally do not believe Global Warning is real. I think it is a fallacy created by democrats to attack industry business. It seems just as warm no
29 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Ah okay, my bad, sorry about that. I know this may be shocking but I agree with you on some parts. Dave
30 Klaus : " target=_blank>http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...y.htm I see. What about actual scientific research is it that you don't seem to understand? You
31 Aloha73G : Here is Aloha73g's opinion/logic regarding global warming: 1. What is the perfect "temperature" of the earth? 2. Who decided that? 3. Why? 4. Has the
32 Post contains links Oly720man : http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...idUSN0837368420070809?pageNumber=1 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Global warming is forecast to set in with a vengeance
33 HowSwedeitis : Eh, global warming or not, we're all going on December 21st 2012 anyway... the Mayan calender ends... and we all perish.
34 Post contains links Oly720man : Or not.... "For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Fou
35 Post contains images HowSwedeitis : She is clearly bi-passing the ancient stone piece that was preserved from the Spanish takeover that depicts 2012 with a woman pouring water over the
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