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Buick Ties Lexus Atop J.D. Power List Ranking  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Some more good news (at last) from Motown!


Buick tied Lexus in the J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study released early Thursday morning, putting another brand on par with Lexus for the top position for the first time in 12 years

Buick, a General Motors Corp. brand, and Lexus, a Toyota Motor Corp. brand, both had 145 problems per 100 vehicles. Cadillac, Mercury and Honda rounded out the top five spots.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...?AID=/20070809/BUSINESS01/70809010
http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/08/auto...pa_dependability/index.htm?cnn=yes

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

I'm not surprised. Buick has been building good cars and comes out with better ones. The new Enclave looks good. I'm a fan of the Rendezvous.

Hunter



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

I'm happy. GM finally gave life to the Buick brand, because for a while, they were all same-looking vehicles that the AARP should have endorsed.

User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Buick has always made fantastic cars. This is no suprise to me at all. Even with the new Lucurne and Lacrosse, they are powered by the trusted and very reliable 3.8 V6 that has always been availible in Buicks. The Lucurne has the optional Northstar system.
I always liked there Park Avenue and LeSabre. Those are fantastic cars that ususally go over 250,000 miles with few problems. Buick has always been my favorite GM division.
I just wished they'd bring back the Roadmaster Estate Wagon.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
I just wished they'd bring back the Roadmaster Estate Wagon.

Agreed. Beautiful car.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
The Lucurne has the optional Northstar system.

Please explain.

Hunter



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
Please explain.

Well you see Hunter, the optional V8 available for the Buick Lucurne is the 4.6 Northstar V8 that used to be exclusive to the Cadillac brand.



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

I've always been skeptical of the "initial quality" metric. Although I definitely would prefer to not have issues shortly after acquiring a vehicle, I put more emphasis on the longer term service history of a vehicle (whether it's a Lexus or a Buick).

I'm also a little weary of making too much of these J.D. Power rankings. I don't believe that J.D. Power has an agenda or overt bias, but it does seem that J.D. has about 6,000 award categories - leaving a potential award available for just about everyone. I also can't help but remember the early/mid 1990s (sometime around the Intrepid launch) when Chrylser was advertising ad nauseam about all of the different J.D. Power awards that the new designs won. I don't know many people who would disagree 10 years later that the vast majority of these vehicles were garbage.

Regardless of my suspicions above, this is welcome news for Buick. I'll be anxious to see how the current crop of improvign American vehicles behaves down the road.



http://www.jdpower.com/autos/quality-ratings
Jaguar "powertrain design quality" above that of Lexus?
  

[Edited 2007-08-09 15:49:58]


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Buick's always built good solid cars, although in the past they've been a bit dowdy and suited for the blue rinse and Shriners crew. The General needs some good news, and I for one think the wake up call's been heard.

A lot of people who do not live in the states or Canada often speculate why Norteamericano cars are big, heavy, not particularly efficient and laden with creature comforts or at least were until recently. Form, as they say, follows function.

Well, fuel's still relatively inexpensive, speed limits are pretty low overall, and there are long distances between urban centers, and the highways are on the whole in pretty good shape, although I am aware of a small detour in Minneapolis.

Much of the American west is still uninhabited and public transport, aside from air travel's pretty much vestigial. Right about now I'd rather rub shit in my hair than take a commercial flight anywhere that I could get to in a car in a couple days.

So what's better than going from, say, Omaha to Las Vegas in a deuce and a quarter, crank it up to 75 or 80, set the cruise control, air conditioning up when it's 100 degrees outside, and all the comforts of a drawing room on wheels?


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 6):
I've always been skeptical of the "initial quality" metric. Although I definitely would prefer to not have issues shortly after acquiring a vehicle, I put more emphasis on the longer term service history of a vehicle (whether it's a Lexus or a Buick).

I've known several people with older Buicks that run great. My roomate sold his 1990 LeSabre with 230,000+ miles on it and it still ran smooth and very powerful. That car never broke down. It spend half it's life in Nebraska which gets very harsh winters. I know another guy in Montreal with a 1988 model that is still running close to 300,000 miles on it.
My Grandmother's 1993 Roadmaster never gives her any problems either.
As I said above, the current engines in the new Buicks have been around for quite some time now. The 3.8 V6 dates back to 1962.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):

Well you see Hunter, the optional V8 available for the Buick Lucurne is the 4.6 Northstar V8 that used to be exclusive to the Cadillac brand.

Thanks.

My aunt has 100K+ on her LaSabre and still loves it.

Hunter



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
As I said above, the current engines in the new Buicks have been around for quite some time now. The 3.8 V6 dates back to 1962.

I have no problem with "basic" large displacement pushrod engines such as the 3800 V6. Engines like this are proven, and serve their purpose well enough (particularly in medium-large size sedans where midrange torque is desireable and redline is rarely reached).

The lack of some of the intricacies that the Europeans often poke fun at with American engines such as these (DOHC, VVT, diesel, exotic materials, etc) really aren't much of a hindrance in the American market (although they are probably becoming more important with the rising price of fuel). Although I haven't been a great fan of most domestic designs recently, engines like this have served vehicles well to this point with low production cost and adequate fuel economy depending upon the mission and gearing of the vehicle in which they are installed.

Although I prefer the European design approach, I do recognize that practices (such as this 3.8L engine) are effective design decisions (and do not dismiss them out of hand simply due to the antiquated design architecture).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I've known several people with older Buicks that run great. My roomate sold his 1990 LeSabre with 230,000+ miles on it and it still ran smooth and very powerful. That car never broke down. It spend half it's life in Nebraska which gets very harsh winters. I know another guy in Montreal with a 1988 model that is still running close to 300,000 miles on it.
My Grandmother's 1993 Roadmaster never gives her any problems either.

I am not being dismissive of your comments but I'd assume that we'd both agree that the sample size is such that little can be inferred on the macro scale based upon your positive experiences.

However, Road and Track editor Peter Egan (who also writes for Cycle World) writes a monthly column where he often writes about his latest acquisition of an antique (or sometimes just "old") vehicle. Although he has purchased and driven everything from a Boxster to Lotus racing car to Jeep to XKE, he did purchase an old Buick a few years ago (Park Avenue?, possibly 1988 model) and had great things to say (somewhat to his own surprise) about the vehicle's comfort, highway efficiency, and reliability.

I also had a neighbor with a late 1980s Oldmobile (Eighty-Eight, maybe?) with 270,000 miles on the clock. The car still ran fine (and had a quiter A/C compressor than my Lexus) when he traded it in on a new Intrigue sometime in the late 1990s.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I've known several people with older Buicks that run great.

I'm still pissed at my old man for selling my favorite family car. A four door version of this beaut.

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
As I said above, the current engines in the new Buicks have been around for quite some time now. The 3.8 V6 dates back to 1962.

And is a derivative of the engine that powers my dream car.

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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 11):
I'm still pissed at my old man for selling my favorite family car. A four door version of this beaut.

Nice!
There is an old couple not too far from me that has a 4-door version of that car. Their's is white. Did your dad sell it to a older couple in San Francisco? Big grin
Amazing that Buick is probably heavier than that aircraft in the back.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Nice!
There is an old couple not too far from me that has a 4-door version of that car. Their's is white.

That's freaky. Because it had four doors and was white. It's doesn't have a green interior, does it?

My favorite memory of that car was when we tracked down a hit and run driver after witnessing the incident. I was sitting on the front arm rest with six other adults in the car. Dad took off and we were on this guy like stink on sh*t. Got his license and called the police.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

PC12Fan:
I'll check and see next time I pass it up.

That is a cool story to hear about. I just have this funny visual of a car chase in a '69 Electra with a kid sitting on the center armrest in the front.  Smile
That is quality B-movie material.  yes 



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 11):
still pissed at my old man for selling my favorite family car. A four door version of this beaut.

My mom had that car....a '69 225 Limited two door, candy apple red with a black top. Man, I wish she had kept that one!


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

PC12Fan & Dtwclipper:
Come to think of it, I almost bought a 1969 Buick Electra 225 convertible 6 years ago. I met the guy in a grocery store parking lot. He was an obvious drug addict and needed some quick cash. He was selling it for only $1800 and the car was in good shape. I called him two days later and he had already sold it.  Sad



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
That is a cool story to hear about. I just have this funny visual of a car chase in a '69 Electra with a kid sitting on the center armrest in the front.

My dad still has scars on his shoulders from my fingernails holding on!  laughing 



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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Those are fantastic cars that ususally go over 250,000 miles with few problems.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I've known several people with older Buicks that run great. My roomate sold his 1990 LeSabre with 230,000+ miles on it and it still ran smooth and very powerful. That car never broke down. It spend half it's life in Nebraska which gets very harsh winters. I know another guy in Montreal with a 1988 model that is still running close to 300,000 miles on it.



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
My aunt has 100K+ on her LaSabre and still loves it.

Well I guess I'm the exception. I have had a 95 LeSabre for a few years with extremely low mileage (got it 2 years ago with 54,000 miles). Now it is at 68,000 miles but it needs almost $4,000 in repairs and the car itself is only worth about $1,000. As much as I love the car I can't justify spending the money (I'm a poor student) and it looks like the car will be heading to the junkyard soon.

Now I get to inherit either a 2000 LeSabre with 44,500 miles or a 99 Olds Aurora with 66,000 miles. Which should I choose? I'm leaning towards the Aurora because of looks, maintenance pedigree, and the overall feel of the car (I've driven both recently). The two cars come from my grandparents and my mother respectively.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 18):
I have had a 95 LeSabre for a few years with extremely low mileage (got it 2 years ago with 54,000 miles). Now it is at 68,000 miles but it needs almost $4,000 in repairs and the car itself is only worth about $1,000.

Perhaps it's because the workers in Flint knew that they were soon to be out of a job when that model was discontinued that year.  Sad



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
I always liked there Park Avenue and LeSabre. Those are fantastic cars that ususally go over 250,000 miles with few problems. Buick has always been my favorite GM division.

My 1997 Park Ave with the 3800 will turn over 280K tomorrow!

Still chugging along hitting just under 30mpg highway!

THAT is reliability!



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7513 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Nice!

fFor a brief period (early 80s); my older brother & his friend each bought a '69 & '70 Electra 225 4-door around the same time. The '69 my brother had was the pale green/green roof; his firend's '70 model was medium blue w/white roof.

Very nice cars.

I'm glad to see Buick finally getting some positive press. For a while it seemed that it heading the way of Oldsmobile.
Nice to see Buick finally offering a V8 for the Lucerne. I also heard that for 2008, the Lacrosse was also going to offer a V8 option. Either way, this will be the first time since 1996 that Buick offered a V8 on any of its cars; (first FWD V8 since the '85 Riviera).



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 966 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 20):
My 1997 Park Ave with the 3800 will turn over 280K tomorrow!

Still chugging along hitting just under 30mpg highway!

THAT is reliability!

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Quoting Molykote (Reply 10):
I am not being dismissive of your comments but I'd assume that we'd both agree that the sample size is such that little can be inferred on the macro scale based upon your positive experiences.

...and another example fine above.  up 

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 21):
I also heard that for 2008, the Lacrosse was also going to offer a V8 option.

Nice.

When/if GM comes out with a rear-drive platform for sedans, coupes & wagons they will be on top again.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 962 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Well you see Hunter, the optional V8 available for the Buick Lucurne is the 4.6 Northstar V8 that used to be exclusive to the Cadillac brand.

Thats Lucerne Larry...damn it.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 960 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
Thats Lucerne Larry...damn it.

Sorry Peter.  Wink



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25 MCOflyer : Whatever your heart desires. I'd go for the olds. I'd have to test drive each though but the olds seems much better. Hunter
26 DL021 : My littel brother had the 1975 version of that.....I once tried to get it repainted as the Batmobile while he was out of town...I was $100 short...bu
27 Post contains images Superfly : Nice. That was a common modification back then. 10 years ago I saw someone had done that to a 1975 Electra coupe.
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