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Audi Navigation System...useless...  
User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Any of you Audi drivers have actually made it in assigning a route to a particular destination, and then actually been able to find it without an enormous amount of frustration?
Or just try to assign it to the nearest ATM?

The MCDU in the Airbus has more common sense then that system.

I totally love the cars and the multi media interface, but the user friendliness of that navigation system is nonexistent

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Thread starter):
Any of you Audi drivers have actually made it in assigning a route to a particular destination, and then actually been able to find it without an enormous amount of frustration?

I think the navigation system in my father's audi is sometimes very useful, sometimes it's confusing.. It's like it doesnt always know the shortest/fastest way and sends me on a detour.. still better than using a normal map :P


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
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I've always used the Audi navigation system Plus (and now the Volkswagen one) successfully, without frustration. Could it be a problem with the implementation of a particular country's maps, and not a problem with the navigation system itself?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 1):
It's like it doesnt always know the shortest/fastest way and sends me on a detour..

I've noticed that as well. And it must have something to do with how priorities of the various roads are defined in the maps. Sometimes it picks a longer route, only to follow what the map people recommend. But besides that, no problem.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I've noticed that as well. And it must have something to do with how priorities of the various roads are defined in the maps. Sometimes it picks a longer route, only to follow what the map people recommend. But besides that, no problem.

Yeah.. whenever it does that, and im aware of it or suspect it, I ignore the GPS and follow my own route, then the GPS will come up with a new route for me, which usually is better...


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Never had any problems with it.

pelican


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I don't use the Audi Navigation System Plus very often because I know everything here in the area, but when I use it then it works without any problems. No matter if I enter a large building (e.g. AWD Arena in Hanover) or a street in some hicksville in the middle of nowhere as destination, so far it brought me everywhere.

Patrick


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 5):

That's great... I just found out yesterday that the navigation system in my father's car doesn't even know the name of the town I live in which is the home of more than 20.000 people and a suburb to Copenhagen, so I have to enter the municipal instead before it is able to find the street I live on... it's a little annoying actually..


User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

The navigation systems are as good as the data in the map database. I have a Mercedes MCS Navigation system and even though there are some new roads that are on my newest DVD the turns aren't always right. There's a road that goes over another road and the system thinks I can turn left off of the bridge onto the road below.

From what I understand NAVTEQ and other companies like this have people actually drive the routes to verify, etc. Maybe my part of the country hasn't been driven and validated for a while (or at least the new roads).

Cheers,
John


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 7):
The navigation systems are as good as the data in the map database. I have a Mercedes MCS Navigation system and even though there are some new roads that are on my newest DVD the turns aren't always right. There's a road that goes over another road and the system thinks I can turn left off of the bridge onto the road below.

I remember a few years ago in France, my father and I brought a Navman GPS with us for driving down there, and some of the new roads down there were not on the GPS, so it looked like we were flying across forests and other streets that crossed the one we were really driving on... quite amusing for a short amount of time...


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

I have no problem with mine..... so far

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I've noticed that as well. And it must have something to do with how priorities of the various roads are defined in the maps. Sometimes it picks a longer route, only to follow what the map people recommend. But besides that, no problem.

That is what Audi explained to me here in YHM so if I know the way I ignore it and if I do not know the way...... well I would not know which way is the shortest/fastest Big grin anyhow, got a portable one for my wife's Jeep and it works the same.

Cheers,


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 6):
I just found out yesterday that the navigation system in my father's car doesn't even know the name of the town I live in which is the home of more than 20.000 people and a suburb to Copenhagen, so I have to enter the municipal instead before it is able to find the street I live on...

Not too long ago we had the same problem in the car of my best friend's father (Merc E-320), we were searching for an independent city for ages but eventually we found out that it was listed unter the district it is in and not under the city-name itself.  banghead 

Patrick


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

I havent seen one good factory navigation unit in the 6 years ive been installing car electronics.

There is virtually an endless list of things that are wrong with OEM systems excluding the overpriced maps.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 11):
I havent seen one good factory navigation unit in the 6 years ive been installing car electronics.

Neither have I, until I started using Nissan's newest system, which is on the Infiniti G and, I believe, the Nissan Altima. Once you use that system, every other OEM nav will seem useless. It has birdeye view maps, integrated traffic reports, lane guidance (it shows you what lane you have to be in to make the next turn, take the next exit, etc.), nearly flawless voice command system, phone number inputs (input any business phone number, it will take to there)...the list goes on. It is the only OEM nav system (in the US market) that uses a harddrive rather than a DVD or CD-ROM, so it can store a significant amount of data.

The worst factor NAV has to be Mercedes' current DVD nav (which is being phased out). It's a piece of junk, and so frustrating to use that I would always just give up. The previous CD-based system (pre-2004) was light years ahead of it. Though Mercedes, starting with the 2008 C-Class, is phasing in a new NAV system that I've heard is excellent. Still no touch screen, though.

[Edited 2007-08-14 03:55:21]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3552 times:

My family bought an '06 Passat with the VW nav system, which I'm sure is similar to the Audi system. Haven't really had any problems when I've used it, the system has worked flawlessly. I'm not such a fan of having all of the buttons around the screen, and the user interface could be a bit more friendly but other than that its pretty solid. Love the throaty sound of the 3.6L engine-that car has a little bit of get up and go (not to mention the awesome black plume of smoke that is left behind the car when you punch it). My '04 Passat just doesn't even really compare.


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User currently offlinePalladium From Indonesia, joined Apr 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Trust me, currently only honda and acura and lexus make the best GPS. All germans car have so so GPS. Some of them not good at all.

User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

I have the Honda NAVI in my Accord. It's circa 2003 so no XM LiveTraffic or Birdseye view. It is however significantly more user friendly than the GM, Chrysler, or Toyota nav systems. I won't even mention the BMW iDrive system which is utterly useless.

I had a customer once when I worked at Honda. He was buying a car for his daughter but said the DVD Nav in his A6 was broken down into regions.. North Jersey was on 1 DVD and South Jersey on another. It seemed strange to me since the Honda system is all 1 CD for the 48 continuous states.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 15):
I had a customer once when I worked at Honda. He was buying a car for his daughter but said the DVD Nav in his A6 was broken down into regions.. North Jersey was on 1 DVD and South Jersey on another. It seemed strange to me since the Honda system is all 1 CD for the 48 continuous states.

My older Mercedes had that. Navigation systems used to be CD-based, which meant that the entire US could not fit on one disc. Then, in the early 00s, navigations started to switch to being DVD-based, which could fit all of the US and Canada on one disc. Germans were late adopters to this technology, with Volkswagen/Audi not adapting it until 2005. Now, though, navigations will likely start to slowly move to a hard-drive based network, starting with Nissan/Infiniti who began the switch this year.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Neither have I, until I started using Nissan's newest system, which is on the Infiniti G and, I believe, the Nissan Altima. Once you use that system, every other OEM nav will seem useless. It has birdeye view maps, integrated traffic reports, lane guidance (it shows you what lane you have to be in to make the next turn, take the next exit, etc.), nearly flawless voice command system, phone number inputs (input any business phone number, it will take to there)...the list goes on. It is the only OEM nav system (in the US market) that uses a harddrive rather than a DVD or CD-ROM, so it can store a significant amount of data.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
starting with Nissan/Infiniti who began the switch this year.

Wrong, its not the only nor first or the biggest hard drive. Dodge/Chrysler have the 20GB (vs 9.3 in Nissan) mygig hard drive system.

Birdseye view, phone number search and lane guidance is nothing new. Something that a AVIC-D2 could do a couple years back. OEM is always half a decade behind...and always 3-4x more expensive than it really is worth.

Quoting Palladium (Reply 14):
Trust me, currently only honda and acura and lexus make the best GPS

You dont know squat what youre talking about therefore I wont trust you. Honda/Acura systems are Alpine units, Honda does not make Nav units.

The Lexus/Toyota navigation unit is made by Eclipse and Denso (such as in the LandCruiser).

Know what youre talking about before you open up and start telling people to trust you. Denso navigation units are pieces of crap for the record, even MOPAR REC USA/REJ Europe systems that arent touch screen at least have better specs.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
is phasing in a new NAV system that I've heard is excellent.

Complete with hard drive.

I still cant think of one reason one should have an OEM system in their car over aftermarket especially with those kind of prices.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 10):
Not too long ago we had the same problem in the car of my best friend's father (Merc E-320), we were searching for an independent city for ages but eventually we found out that it was listed unter the district it is in and not under the city-name itself.

Well my example was from my father's Audi... funny how noone's able to produce some better GPS devices for their cars..


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 17):

I still cant think of one reason one should have an OEM system in their car over aftermarket especially with those kind of prices.

Integration and apperence. Aftermarket navs - whether dash mount or integrated - look cheap.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 18):
GPS devices for their cars..

Acura's navigation system is awesome.

I am an Audi owner, so I am not parcel towards Acura.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 20):
Acura's navigation system is awesome.

I am an Audi owner, so I am not parcel towards Acura.

Interesting.. Would love to try it!


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12214 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3463 times:
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Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 7):
There's a road that goes over another road and the system thinks I can turn left off of the bridge onto the road below.


"But the GPS told me to turn here"



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Integration and apperence. Aftermarket navs - whether dash mount or integrated - look cheap.

Wrong. You can make any aftermarket navigation look as good or even better as OEM if you dont install it as a hackjob. My AVIC D3 not only fits just as snuggly as a Mopar system, it can change display colors to blend in with sorroundings if I wish it to not counting getting rid of all the extra buttons that clutter the dash in a non-touchscreen nav unit.


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):

Integration and apperence. Aftermarket navs - whether dash mount or integrated - look cheap.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
Wrong. You can make any aftermarket navigation look as good or even better as OEM if you dont install it as a hackjob.

While I agree you can make an aftermarket nav look "good" and that there are a number of very good systems out there, I have yet to see one that looks "better" than an OEM setup. If the screen slides out of a cubby hole, it inevitably blocks something like an air vent or buttons. If it folds into the top of the dash, the screen is usually too far out of the way to touch while driving. Nor will it it allow me to press a button on my steering wheel and change CDs in my CD Changer or adjust the climate control.

Not to mention what happens when it breaks. Try pulling into a _____ (fill in the auto manufacturer) dealer when the system goes t/u and try to get the to fix it. Or better yet, try to get them to plug it back in when they disconnect it to make a repair.


25 MAH4546 : I can't be "wrong". This is an opinion, not a fact. I've yet to see an aftermarket system that doesn't look cheap installed in a car. My friend recen
26 PDXtriple7 : Tried to help my mom test out her nav system in her A6, which she never uses, but it wanted to take us a really slow way home. It was nice that had a
27 Palladium : Dude no need to take it personally... but if you think it is a crap unit.... well maybe that is just you. But I believe people in here will agree tha
28 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : Their GPS system is good because they chose a good mobile electronics supplier: mainly Alpine. It is crap compared to aftermarket units, because it o
29 Post contains images ManuCH : While it might be true that your aftermarket system looks better than OEM on *your* car, I really can't imagine an aftermarket navigation system look
30 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : I agree 100% that OEM nav units are put in nicely in that Audi As for the VW Im not so fond of, and that lane change display is a joke compared to a
31 Post contains images AirPacific747 : I like the Audi Q7 integrated information screen.. many functions can be controlled from the steering wheel also: And the one below is the one I use:
32 CaptOveur : If only they could make the voice commands work right more than 10% of the time. The amazing thing is they worked every time for the sales guy.. Then
33 Luxair : I have the same system as AirPacific747 displayed in his post installed in my A6 and never got a real problem...well can remember that once I drove in
34 Post contains images Sabena332 : Same here! By the way, you also have the A6 2.7 TDI, right? Nice car, eh? Patrick
35 Post contains images David L : A road I use a lot, the A77, has been rebuilt since I got my system and doesn't follow the original road all the way. I keep getting instructions lik
36 Travelin man : I concur. Acura's system is excellent. Now they have real-time traffic overlaid on top of the route (but only for some cities such as Los Angeles). M
37 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : You bring up another negative point of a factory system. You cant override/bypass OEM systems (Although I cant encourage anyone to do that in the fir
38 Post contains images Galapagapop : Most modern GPS's are fairly reliable, although certain areas with lots of construction seem to confuse most units, like the DC Beltway
39 Post contains images Luxair : Hey Sabena332 indeed I have the 2.7 btw I did a shiptuning by ABT 3 months ago, up to 225 hp and know it is really fun to drive what I will change nex
40 Post contains images David L : Come to think of it, I don't think I ever saw who made the unit. The name I'm struggling to remember came from trying to find out who supplied the da
41 DL021 : Does anyone use foldup maps and the position of the sun to figure out where they are anymore?
42 Post contains images David L : Yes, sometimes, but not when I'm driving.
43 Asuflyer05 : I just learned the 2008 Accord will no longer come with a touch screen NAV, but rather a joystick similar to the Acura RL setup (but no Nav Traffic).
44 CaptOveur : That is a step backwards. It is damn near impossible to use the joystick as a passenger. I haven't yet felt comfortable enough to use it as the drive
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