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User currently offlinePAHS200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292970,00.html

"Jeromy Jackson says he clearly ordered two Quarter Pounders without cheese at a restaurant, and suffered the reaction when he bit into the burger without checking, according to the Charleston Daily Mail."

it sounds kinda set-up...why didn't he lift the bun

also, do the other nations sue so much. I heard it an American thing to sue so much?

michael

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8760 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Frivolous lawsuit, number 25,761. Yay!  sarcastic 

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
do the other nations sue so much.

Not mine, as far as I am aware.



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User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

I can't understand, why someone, who is allergic on cheese, doesn't look under the bun. And mostly the cheese can easily be seen under the bun, 'cause it's not fully covered by the bun..
That really sounds strange to me..



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User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 470 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
also, do the other nations sue so much. I heard it an American thing to sue so much?

We have more Lawyers per capita than any other country, they need work !
We should restrict the amount of licenses to file actions, but then of course laws are made by lawyers and judges. I believe congress members shouldn't be allowed to be Lawyers.
They should be ruled a "conflict of interest" by the Supreme Court ! (oops, also Lawyers)


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Of course you can see the cheese without even lifting the bun. This is another BS lawsuit.

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1940 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Hmm was he at the drive up??? I blame it on his carelessness....If it was a special "grill order" then he might have grounds for something, but I find it difficult to think that he would be knock knock knocking on heaven's door after taking just one bite and discovering cheese on the burger....Unless he made a pig of himself and wolfed the food down and then he realized that it had cheese on it, which still is his fault for not checking when he took the thing out of the wrapper...Common sense would dictate that if you have a special "grill order" you always check it to make sure you got your "grill order".
I used to work at MC-Ds so I am familiar with this process....Sounds like Mr. Jeremy was just too hungry to worry about his food allergy, until he bit down. Besides if you do havea grill order, they usually give you a special ticket attached to your item.
This can teach us all a lesson....and that is if you special order ANYTHING, before you walk out that door or drive away you check over your prurchase because once you leave...You have implied that you have accepted your item as being correct.

What say you???

Access-Air



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Frivolous lawsuit, number 25,761

Oh no... the one better was on yesterday. A guy has brought a 1M case against 1800 Flowers for sending the receipt to his his wife..... the flowers to his mistress

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292891,00.html

[Edited 2007-08-11 15:43:58]


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Frivolous lawsuit, number 25,761. Yay!

 checkmark  It's amazing what people will do for money.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Did a little reading on cheese allergy and apparently the histamines that cause a reaction are dose-related, and usually not life threatening. I seriously doubt that he was near death from taking one bite.

Besides, if you are "deathly allergic" to something, wouldn't you as a matter of routine always check to make sure your food is correct before you eat it?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8760 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 8):
Besides, if you are "deathly allergic" to something, wouldn't you as a matter of routine always check to make sure your food is correct before you eat it?

Please, you're applying logic here. That's nothing a good lawyer can't talk you out of. If I had a severe allergy, I would definitely entrust my life to burger flippers and never check if my order came out right!  Wink



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
do the other nations sue so much.

Not here  Smile

Was the Alergy because of the cheese.Shouldn't the taste be known on the bite Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14138 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Very simple solution:

Fixed charging scales for lawyers (no percentage from the amount won) and making the loser pay for everything, including his opponent's court and lawyer fees (you can introduce a state legal aid for poor people, who else could not pay a lawyer if they need to sue somebody, but in this case make the aid to be approved by a judge, if the case has enough probability to be won and make the aid depending on the income, e.g. I just finished paying back my court ald lawyer fees from a labour court case I had won a few years ago (German labour law has one big excemption: to prevent people running straight to court if they have a little conflict with their boss, in the first level of labour court each party pays his own bills, from the next level on the loser pays everything). Back then I was broke and qualified for state legal aid for sueing my ex-boss for wages not paid and an illegal sacking. So, while I won, received the back pay owed to me and the firing was converted into a mutualy agreed disolution of my working contract, the my lawyer fees were covered by the state. But two years later I received a letter by said labour court obliging me to state my (now much better) financial situation. After receiving the answer, the labour court decided that I could now pay back my debt at Euro 200 per month.
If my situation would still have been bad, the court has thirty years to get the money back.

And, another thing: Get rid of punititve damage compensations. Pay the damaged party exactly for the damage suffered (maybe like here using a table, arm lost so and so many Euros, eye lost so and so many Euros etc., compensation for emotional or psychological damages is rarely awarded over here).
If the court feels that it is necessary to financially punish a guilty party because he broke a law, keep it seperate from the compensation of damages. Fine the guilty party and pay it into the state kitty.

Jan


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
I heard it an American thing to sue so much?

Thanks to the enormous number of sleazy tort lawyers in the United States.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 5):
Unless he made a pig of himself and wolfed the food down and then he realized that it had cheese on it, which still is his fault for not checking when he took the thing out of the wrapper...Common sense would dictate that if you have a special "grill order" you always check it to make sure you got your "grill order".

How dare you suggest that anyone in this day and age employ common sense, and exhibit just a bit of personal responsibility?

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
And, another thing: Get rid of punititve damage compensations.

As appealing as it sounds, I wouldn't get rid of punitives altogether, since there are some instances where a company has hugely deep pockets and can afford to pay actual damages. Remember the Ford Pinto?


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14138 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 12):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
And, another thing: Get rid of punititve damage compensations.

As appealing as it sounds, I wouldn't get rid of punitives altogether, since there are some instances where a company has hugely deep pockets and can afford to pay actual damages. Remember the Ford Pinto?

Point taken. But here, instead of awarding the punitive damage money to the victim as an excessive compensation, the offender is being fined and the money goes into the state budget. Alternatively e.g. the court of law can order the offender to pay a set amount (decided by the court) to a charity named by the court.So, while the offender would be punished by paying a large fine, the victim would not additionally profit from it.

Basically you have to look at a damage lawsuit as two cases in one as it was explained to me once by a German lawyer):

1) The first case the victim versus the offender. The victim suffered a damage and needs to be compensated for e.g.
material damage and pain suffered. In Germany law distinguishes between material damages, e.g. the repair of a
damaged car, or the medical expenses for treating an injury, all which will have to be proven.
The other item are immaterial damages, Schmerzensgeld (Pain money), which is decided by the court as a means
of satisfaction to the victim, but usually based on precedents.
E.g. the German equivalent of the AA, the ADAC publishes a table of pain money awards handed out by courts,
which is also being used by courts of law as a base for their decision. Generally pain money awards are much
lower than in the US.



2)Since the offender usually also broke one or more laws or regulation while causing the damage, there exists also
a second lawsuit, the offender versus the state. This part has a more preventive function, e.g. to make sure that
the offender doesn't break the laws anymore and to serve as a warning to others ("Breaking the law can be
expensive!"). The court of law fines the offender, but the fine goes either to the state budget or the court can
order the amount to be paid to a charity, usually picked by the victim or prosecutor.


So, while the victim will get his damages compensated, there is little incentive to sue somebody as a "get rich fast" scheme.

Jan


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 3):
We have more Lawyers per capita than any other country, they need work !

Er, you have more lawyers within the beltway than all those in Japan.

The courts should be used as a last resort when two parties cannot come to an agreement when one feels that it has been harmed. They should not be used as an opening 'card'.

How may times have I read "xxx refused to comment, saying they had not seen the complaint". Leave the courts, and the media, out of it. You got a problem, talk about it.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Frivolous lawsuit, number 25,761.

Hell, that number is just for today.

Quoting Wolverine (Reply 2):
I can't understand, why someone, who is allergic on cheese, doesn't look under the bun

Yeah seriously...you're allergic to something, you check it before eating it. This guy is either chasing the money or an idiot, or both.


User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

American Cheese isn't even cheese. The wrapper even says cheese product, which is gross. I don't even want to know what it is.

User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Wolverine (Reply 2):
I can't understand, why someone, who is allergic on cheese, doesn't look under the bun

Exactly. I hope the judge has enough common sense to realize this.

"After getting the food, the three drove to Clarksburg and started to eat the food in a darkened room where they were going to watch a movie, Houston said."
Hmmm, how convenient for them.  Yeah sure

Fast food restaurants should put up a sign in small writing that says that once the customer leaves the property, they have agreed that their order is correct (as others said), even if they haven't checked it.

Does this kind of lawsuit happen anywhere but the US??



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User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
also, do the other nations sue so much. I heard it an American thing to sue so much?

Because American judges let stupid 'victimized' people get away with it.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
also, do the other nations sue so much. I heard it an American thing to sue so much?

Other countries put people in jail for what would otherwise be a tort action here in the US. You choose: excessive governmental regulation or a market based alternative that actually works?

Quoting PAHS200 (Thread starter):
why didn't he lift the bun

Good question, and I am sure that will be used as evidence against his claim.

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 3):
We have more Lawyers per capita than any other country,

More like we call more people lawyers than any other country.

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 3):
We should restrict the amount of licenses to file actions,

Oh learn something about the legal system before spouting off this kind of statement.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
A guy has brought a 1M case against 1800 Flowers for sending the receipt to his his wife..... the flowers to his mistress

Hey, they likely did cause significant pecuniary loss because of their negligence. If the suit fits the test for negligence, then he sure as hell should be compensated.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
Fixed charging scales for lawyers (no percentage from the amount won)

You know what that means? It means redress will only be available for those who can afford a lawyer and/or the expenses of litigation, locking those without money out of the legal system. It also means you will get lawyers who less zealously advocate for their clients, because there will be no reward for winning the case. Further, it means you will may well get more frivilous claims because lawyers will no longer be taking any of the risk in the case and will merely collect their hourly rate without any mind to whether their client will win. Finally, it takes away freedom of contract, which is almost never a good thing.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
and making the loser pay for everything

Which would, once again, discourage potentially meritorious claims.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
And, another thing: Get rid of punititve damage compensations

Not a chance. General damages are there to discourage tortious behavior in a way that special damages just can't. Further, by creating a system of fines to replace general damages, you are increasing the amount of government regulation significantly.

Quoting CaptainJon (Reply 16):
American Cheese isn't even cheese. The wrapper even says cheese product, which is gross. I don't even want to know what it is.

It starts out as cheddar.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Frivolous lawsuit, number 25,761...

No, No, No....you got it all wrong. Its more like 25,761,874,221,907,445,666th frivolous lawsuit.  rotfl 



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8760 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
666th

I seeeee....  devil  THE DAY HATH COME!!!  Wink



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14138 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):]
Fixed charging scales for lawyers (no percentage from the amount won)

You know what that means? It means redress will only be available for those who can afford a lawyer and/or the expenses of litigation, locking those without money out of the legal system. It also means you will get lawyers who less zealously advocate for their clients, because there will be no reward for winning the case. Further, it means you will may well get more frivilous claims because lawyers will no longer be taking any of the risk in the case and will merely collect their hourly rate without any mind to whether their client will win. Finally, it takes away freedom of contract, which is almost never a good thing.


The scales are set up by the bar association and are based on a "Streitwert", a monetary equivalent about the value the case is about, by the judge. Funny thing is that cases like this and others would regularly been thrown out of court anyway, so the lawyers will advise the clients not to waste their time with pursuing the case.



Did you read my post about legal aid in Germany? Obviously there are people around here (I was one some years ago when I was illegaly dismissed by my ex boss and left without pay for months) who could normally not initiate legal action and press for their claims due to lack of funds. In this case the lawyer has a form for "Prozesskostenhilfe". You state your financial status and the form will he given to the respective court of law. There a judge will decide if your lawsuit has a probability of winning (already excluding spurious lawsuits) and, if accepted, all your legal fees will be paid for by the government. This aid is given under certain cautions: As long as you still owe money to the court, they will send you a similar form every thwo years, checking your financial status. If you are still unemployed, after a few years the government will waive their claims. If your income is better again, they will demand of you to pay the ddebt back on installment base (this is what happened to me. I won the case, but since it was the first level of labour court I had to pay my own bills, but couldn't at first. About a year later I was again working and earning well, so they decided that I couldclear my debt in affordable 200 Euros per month. I just finished paying it last month). In case you win (except labour court), the other party will have to pay your bill anyway.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):]
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
and making the loser pay for everything

Which would, once again, discourage potentially meritorious claims.

See above. A competent lawyer should be able to tell the client if his case has any chance in winning in court and when it would be advisable not to pursue it any further.
Any lawsuit has an element of risk.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):]
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
And, another thing: Get rid of punititve damage compensations

Not a chance. General damages are there to discourage tortious behavior in a way that special damages just can't. Further, by creating a system of fines to replace general damages, you are increasing the amount of government regulation significantly.

This is what fines and criminal punishment are for. Not a "get rich quickly" scheme for the victims or their lawyers.
Damages are just there to compensate the victim for what he lost and to give him a certain satisfaction, not to make Joe Sixpack factory worker an instant millionaire by giving him money he would have never earned in his lifetime.

The system, as I have described, is the one we use over here and it is working quite well, with a lot of common sense included.

One the other hand, with you either being a lawyer or being on the way to become one, I see that you can profit from the existing system.

Jan


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13):
Point taken. But here, instead of awarding the punitive damage money to the victim as an excessive compensation, the offender is being fined and the money goes into the state budget.

An excellent idea. But it will never happen, because the legion of tort lawyer lobbyists would kill it long before it reached the floor of Congress.

What we need it for states to take up the reform effort.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 22):
One the other hand, with you either being a lawyer or being on the way to become one, I see that you can profit from the existing system.

He's a graduate of a law school, waiting to see if he passed the Bar exam last month.

Hopefully he won't sell his soul and become a plaintiff's tort lawyer.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14138 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
and making the loser pay for everything

Which would, once again, discourage potentially meritorious claims.

The system you have, everybody pays for himself, can also be used to blackmail somebody.

E.g. I'm innocent, but somebody threatens to sue me. I need to hire a lawyer. Eventually I win, but still have to pay all of my lawyer's bills.
So I rather give in, if it looks like the lawyer's bill could be higher than the amount demanded of me illegaly.

Jan


25 PSA53 : At $250.00+ per hour which is criminal in itself.Justice at its best.
26 Halls120 : Look no further than the absurd trousers suit in DC to see an excellent example of the above concept in action.
27 Access-Air : Youre right how silly of me to think anyone would use common sense...LOL.... I think I mentioned something to this same statement....Once you leave,
28 Post contains images PSA53 : Do you know how many signs, either by company policy, or local,state and federal governments, are put up in the stores now due from lawsuits in some
29 Kmh1956 : Both my sister and my niece are lactose-intolerant and do get violent reactions to anything that contains a milk product...stomach pains that have th
30 L-188 : I have a kid brother who insists on order a plain hamburger even at McD's. He checks his sandwich. I can't bump that one from the stupid lawsut file
31 SW733 : I just got some Burger King (too hot in Kansas to cook tonight), and asked for no onions...and guess what, I checked before I ate! And I'm not even al
32 Post contains images PAHS200 : thats only for the USA yup... if I understand you... you back his stupid lawsuit
33 Tom12 : His own fault, self inflicted. If he's allergic the respocibility lies with him to make sure he isn't eating cheese! Bloody idiot. Sounds like he's ju
34 Post contains images N231YE : As stated above, sounds like a typical, get-rich scheme: Driver: "Okay...I am entitled to a cut of several million for driving him to the hospital." P
35 Post contains images MaidensGator : Like medicaid for lawyers? I like that idea, it might be easier to get the money from the state than some of my clients.... In tort cases, I doubt th
36 L-188 : What was that line of Gomez's from the Adams Family movie???? Oh yeah. "They say that a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.....as the
37 MD11Engineer : Yup. I just give an example from myself: A few years ago an ex-boss wanted to get rid of me. Since he didn't have a legal reason to do so, he suspend
38 Post contains images Freckles : Sensible If you don't like something, then you check... If you're allergic to something, that's even more reason to check! Idiot.
39 Nitrohelper : Thanks for your uninformed admonition. I worked for eight years as an expert in construction litigation. After spending thousands of hours with some
40 Post contains links Canuckpaxguy : Add this to the list of Stella Awards! The Stella Awards were inspired by Stella Liebeck. In 1992, Stella, then 79, spilled a cup of McDonald's coffee
41 Post contains images KaiGywer : Oops
42 Dougloid : I wonder whether West Virginia still follows the foreign-natural rule. If ever there was a case for application of it this is it.
43 N1120A : Which means extra government regulation of the freedom of contract. How come capitalism should apply to everyone but lawyers? Sure, but many potentia
44 D L X : As for the suit itself, the negligence claim, I can see. The guy should (and probably will) lose it, but it at least makes sense. As for intentional i
45 Post contains links Halls120 : WTF are you talking about? The court hasn't ruled on this issue yet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2007/08/07/AR2007080701156.html
46 D L X : I really don't get why people are so crazed about the contingency fee system, considering that this system puts the lawyer's interests in the case in
47 Post contains images D L X : If the lawsuit against you was not filed in good faith, you can countersue them for vexatious or malicious litigation. You'll get your attorney's fee
48 Halls120 : How about the fact that contingency fee system serves as an incentive for the lawyer to see how high he or she can jack up the settlement, since the
49 Post contains images D L X : There's still someone on the other side whose job is to ensure that the plaintiff and his lawyers get no recovery at all. The result is that settleme
50 Dougloid : Some lawyers do. I do not. All my work is on a strict time and materials basis.
51 D L X : Sure. All defense lawyers and most lawyers on a corporate matter bill time instead of charge contingency. I have never charged a contingency fee, as
52 Falstaff : It is and has been for a long time. In 2004 I was going through a lawyer's files. He had practiced from 1888 to 1937. This particular lawyer was a to
53 Nitrohelper : After two replies you haven't said what was naive about my posts. Other than personal attacks, can you offer your rebuttal to the issues I raised in
54 D L X : No. It would be a better place if people stopped suing each other because they didn't take care of their own responsibilities. It's like roads and ac
55 MaidensGator : Maybe you mean binding arbitration.... Where I live, the Court orders every case to mediation before trial, but it's only binding if the parties reac
56 MD11Engineer : This is how even criminal cases are run over here. At the lowest level, there is just one professional judge. At the next level there is a presiding
57 MD11Engineer : You already have restricted capitalism, where the needs of the community take precedence, e.g. the law, which says that a hospital has to give anybod
58 D L X : I actually really don't like punitive damages going to the person that was hurt, although I really DO like companies that wilfully hurt people, or sh
59 Dougloid : Well, I'm not a corporate lawyer or a tort defense lawyer . I'm free lance, mostly criminal defense, and my civil work has been limited to some colle
60 MD11Engineer : This is a sensible idea. The victim should be adequadly compensated for the damage and should suffer no loss, and it should really hurt a crooked com
61 Post contains images Halls120 : I have a novel idea. How about lawyers in the above mentioned case work to achieve a negotiated settlement - where one is warranted, of course - inst
62 S12PPL : He'll win this one... Simply because some retard won 3 million for the spilled coffee incident.
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