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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Texas congregation acted out of principle, not malice, pastor says

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20221295/

What an absolute disgrace! It never ceases to amaze me how cold and callous Christians can be.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
What an absolute disgrace! It never ceases to amaze me how cold and callous Christians can be.

They're still human even if they are church going. They're no better than any other people in the world. They just happen to go to Church, which thanks to hundreds of years of propoganda, people think is some kind of "good" thing.

Then again, it was Texas, bastion of all that's fair, good, and democratic with the world  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Shocking, The Flat Earth Society strikes again. When will these fanatical christians figure it out?

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

I guess now it's okay not to "support the troops" on principle either, seeing as how the deceased was a combat veteran.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

So much for following Christ's example of "love one another, as I have loved you."

It shows again the two-faced character of far too many so-called Christians, who don't have the decency to honor a man who served his country in wartime, and who served it honorably. Unfortunately, many of them can't see beyond their own prejudices and honor the man for his service.


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1819 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

This is really horrible. The man seemed like an honourable guy, and served his country proudly.
How can the church truely feel alright with turning his family down?

The article mentioned the "mega-church" was non-denominational. Does that mean they were evangelicals in disguise?


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 5):
Does that mean they were evangelicals in disguise?

In another story I read, it said: "The nondenominational church is led by the Rev. Gary Simons, the brother-in-law of televangelist Joel Osteen." What a crock of shit that is to that family.

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/08/081007service.htm



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2032 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
It never ceases to amaze me how cold and callous Christians can be.

Yes, because we are all like that.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 5):
The article mentioned the "mega-church" was non-denominational. Does that mean they were evangelicals in disguise?

Correct.

"Full-Gospel" is another such term, which basically describes Southern Baptists who choose not to formally associate with the Southern Baptist movement/convention.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9235 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

visit their website, drop them a line. and perhaps comment that this pastor is just a bit "gay" looking.




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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
this pastor is just a bit "gay" looking

egad, that's like sayin' the damn Pope is just a bit catholic-looking!  Wow!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
visit their website, drop them a line. and perhaps comment that this pastor is just a bit "gay" looking.

Already did that. I left out the "gay" part.  Big grin


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
What an absolute disgrace! It never ceases to amaze me how cold and callous Christians can be.

Christians are not cold and callous. Only those that bastardize it for their own slanted reasons (like these dimwits) are cold and callous.

You could say the same thing about Islam and terrorists... (not to start another argument)

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
So much for following Christ's example of "love one another, as I have loved you."

I deliberately distance myself from churches because I don't believe they do that.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 7):
Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
It never ceases to amaze me how cold and callous Christians can be.

Yes, because we are all like that. Yeah sure

Can be, the key word. Nowhere is it insinuated that all Christians are cold and callous...don't know where you get that.


But yes, completely despicable, yet sadly unsurprising considering the source.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Does this go to show that mega-churches are an industry catering to their customers just like every other business? Each time I read or hear about these immense buildings with their Vegas-like show equipment I can't help thinking that they've got as much to do with the teachings of Jesus as a four-cheese pizza.


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 13):
Nowhere is it insinuated that all Christians are cold and callous...don't know where you get that.

The statement lacked the qualifier "some" or "a few."


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
visit their website, drop them a line. and perhaps comment that this pastor is just a bit "gay" looking.

Jeez....you ain't kiddin. I'm straight but he's cute....What If I call him up and tell him just looking at those $3,000 teeth makes me wanna switch, I'm comin' out of the closet, and he's to blame for leadin' me into a life of sin and debauchery?




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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Something similar happened at a cemetary near here. A soldier was killed in Afghanistan and his widow could not get the symbol of his religion (Wicca) on his tombstone. I think it has been resolved by now but the original story is here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12979013/

In my opinion, dead is all a person needs, to be honored in church or graveyard.

If their life was not worthy of praise then that will probably be reflected in who or how many show up to honor them. Not the church's business, not the cemetary's business.

I do wonder, though, why the survivors want this guy honored in a church that despises his lifestyle as sinful.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Yet again, the Christian version of fundamentalism, shows how close it is to the Islamic kind, which these so called 'Christians' no doubt profess to hate and fear so much.
Mind you, if they were not around, they still would not be short of things to hate and fear.


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):

What an absolute disgrace! It never ceases to amaze me how cold and callous Christians can be.

While I agree that what this church did was absolutely ridiculous and undeniably cruel to the family, I'd like to point out that not all Christians are like this. There are actually many Christians in full support of homosexuality, abortion, et cetera. Like me.

I wouldn't generalize Christians in such a way. It's just like any other big organization. Everyone is going to have different beliefs, with some holding the majority over others.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 17):
I do wonder, though, why the survivors want this guy honored in a church that despises his lifestyle as sinful.

I believe it's a simple matter of being honored in a church, not by the particular church. The church itself is non-denominational and offered to hold the service initially due to the deceased's brother being an employee there.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 18):
Yet again, the Christian version of fundamentalism, shows how close it is to the Islamic kind

Exactly right! And the "how close" is not very.
As in light years apart!
How can you possibly compare "he was an unrepentant sinner and cannot be consecrated in our church" with death by stoning as would be quite likely in Iran? In fact I think that sort of ill-considered hyperbolic rhetoric more to be expected of Ahmadinejad than an educated, enlightened westerner.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
As in light years apart!

Would be nice if it were.

http://www.matthewsplace.com/
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Of course it's not the same calibre as the death penalty for being homosexual, but it's far from "light years apart" as well.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Slam Click, easy, if those from that church could do what goes on in Iran, they would.

And every day, every hour, every second, they in the US, from this church, from the whole massive 'Big Faith' industry (a term I think fair to differentiate from the majority of Christians not like them), are working remorselessly to subvert your Constitution, to teach anti science irrationality in schools, to one day arrive at somewhere like theocratic Iran.

They almost certainly won't succeed, but they do all they can to get as close as possible, you have at least 10's of million's dedicated to this, they (largely since 1980) vote, they have supporters in high political office, your current President has, at times, paid lip service to some of their mad ideas, implemented some of them in some areas of policy, even if, in private, it is said that he thinks they are kooks.
Since they have a very powerful influence of the GOP.

Name me one other Western democracy with anything like that?
No 'museums' showing dinosaurs living with humans outside of the Southern US.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 22):

You sir, are a poor judge of distance.

Get serious. This is for real - homosexuals are liable to be stoned to death in some countries. That is not some theoretical possibility. Not something that happened a thousand years ago in some land we can no longer find on a map. Real world. Today. Fairly high probability.

And you would compare that with not permitting burial in the church.

A very poor judge of distance.

Oh, the first link leads to a down-indefinitely site that does not shed much light on their beliefs.

The second one is a widely known bad joke. No on could possibly think that band of loonies represent modern Christianity in any way. They have been denounced far and wide for what they are - a bunch of fascists hiding behind the freedom-of-religion protections. They are an unfortunate by-product of our freedoms. It is our privilege to despise them and our duty to shine the brightest possible light upon them, that all might see them for the cockroaches that they are. Your reference to them sheds absolutely no light on this discussion.

No one is trying to deny that there are lunatics among us but get real!

Death by stoning.
Shunning and bad words said about you.

And you think these are nearly equal.

Which would you prefer? Be honest now, this is for posterity.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
25 Post contains links Aloges : I never said it was. I did not: That is the opposite of a comparison. It is a website on a homosexual young man who was murdered for being gay. His n
26 Post contains links SlamClick : Uh huh! In Europe there is one just like it that claims that the world is made of Legos!!!!! Get a little perspective here. The Museum you speak of h
27 SlamClick : Perhaps. But... ...is a negation of what I said. Put another way - you place stoning light years closer to shunning than I do.
28 Aloges : It's murder and Fred Phelps' "church" that I place close to stoning, not shunning.
29 Post contains links ConcordeBoy : ...you mean like this? http://www.hel-mart.com/links.php http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/ http://walmartwatch.com/ http://www.walmartmovie.com/
30 Johnboy : Actually I encourage this type of behavior on the part of these so-called "loving" Christian communities. The more atrocious their behavior, the more
31 GDB : Touched a nerve did I? Face it, the US, fairly or not, is fast getting a reputation for large scale fundamentalism. A potential British PM does NOT ha
32 Graphic : I'm actually gonna have to side with the church on this one...unless freedom of religion doesn't apply in america anymore. ...They are still free to p
33 Kalakaua : "A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay." What a FLAKE! "Texas congr
34 AeroWesty : Certainly they are, which is why I have difficulties with tax-exempt status for churches. Let them believe anything they want, but pay their taxes fo
35 767Lover : Totally agree. I am tired of huge parcels of expensive land being used without payment for the infrastructure. I think there was a need for that exem
36 GDB : Wasn't Scientology born out of that non taxable status, by that hack author and fraud who started it?
37 AeroWesty : All religions are given tax-exempt status within the U.S. as long as they conform to a few simple rules (such as not taking a political stand). In fa
38 Post contains images SlamClick : I vaguely recall a comment in a Poli-Sci class (ages ago) about a court ruling that churches were tax exempt only in the area of those activities tha
39 AeroWesty : I believe you're correct on that tangent--a "non-profit" I worked for at one time paid taxes on any income derived from business activity not related
40 ShyFlyer : What about the churches that can't? Not all are the mega-churches everyone likes to slam. Take the church I attend for example, after paying utilitie
41 Halcyon : Sometimes I go to a church with 13 people. We meet in a house to discuss our faith. Many, many churches are not businesses.
42 STLGph : didn't Jesus live meagerly?
43 767Lover : If you're meeting in someone's home, property taxes are a moot point.
44 RobertNL070 : Strange. Very strange. So one rule for one and another rule for others (?) If a pastor (or an imam, or a rabbi) wishes to generate extra income by re
45 Halcyon : And if we got land to go on? The point is that not all churches are businesses...
46 AeroWesty : The pertinent parts of the new law reads: (3) It is not an unlawful practice for a bona fide church or other religious institution to take any action
47 767Lover : [quote=Halcyon,reply=45] If you purchase land to meet on, I don't see any reason not to pay property tax. What if I start opening my home to Alzheimer
48 TheCol : Most churches tend to be in that position. Any surpluses usually go to much needed renovations or projects overseas. That's the point. Haven't we bee
49 AeroWesty : So what if we have? I was responding to a member's question.
50 SlamClick : As offensive as it may be to you it seems completely appropriate. Churches, synagogues, and mosques are religious entities. Christianity, Judaism and
51 Post contains images RobertNL070 : And thank you very much Robert
52 Post contains links AeroWesty : I don't believe I've ever stated it was "offensive", simply not embodying the ideal of "non-discrimination", which the preamble to the Oregon House a
53 Flighty : Hahaha. That is so sad though. Why did they want to have a service in an anti-gay church to begin with? Churches that abhor civil rights are no differ
54 Post contains images SlamClick : Sorry, my mistake. I interpreted... ...as being a little critical. I guess this is one of those issues that highlight how all law, indeed all civiliz
55 AeroWesty : As stated before, it was an offer made to a relative who is in the employ of the church. The deceased was 46, and died suddenly from an infection aft
56 AeroWesty : Not a problem, my words were to describe my feelings about them remaining tax-free, but are allowed to practice discrimination not only based upon se
57 SlamClick : Ahh. Okay. How it their activity at "the public's" expense? Not sure what activitiy you are talking about. If it is just whaterver they choose to do
58 AeroWesty : Religious organizations absorb public services without having to pay for same. For example, I pay for fire and police protection indirectly through t
59 Post contains images SlamClick : Did I mention that the Catholic Church had a lot of money? Check out the parking lot!
60 Post contains images ShyFlyer : The first three of those apply to my church. I guess we should be paying taxes then.
61 Halcyon : I think the things you name are very different...a meeting place for people who enjoy the same thing is a lot different than a church. That being sai
62 Dougloid : Here's something I've been thinking about for a while. There's a dialectic going on in some parts of the gay community that is more or less "Were we
63 AeroWesty : I usually don't get involved in the "gay gene" vs. "environment" vs. "strong mother/weak father" arguments to try to explain homosexuality. I knew I
64 SlamClick : Surely (and even Shirley) a topic for a whole thread of its own. I would hesitate to participate before I learn whether my monitor is made of non-com
65 Post contains links Johnboy : And the reply from Pastor Gary, et al....... http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...et.ART.State.Edition1.4200cfb.html And a most vigorous reply from
66 S12PPL : How pathetic... It never ceases to amaze me how the far right coservative part of this country will do things that are so hate filled.
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