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Successful Countries Not Involved With US  
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

The way that the US interacts with so much across the world got me to thinking. What countries out there are successful but have little to no interaction with the US? Trade, financial, military, etc.

Of course, I am not trying to imply that the many successful countries across the world depend on the US, but most of them do interact with the US greatly.

To further the question, are there any successful countries out there that don't have much interaction with any of the more powerful countries out there? (such as Russia, China, any of those in western Europe, etc.)

Thanks all!

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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland.
4 examples.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):
Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland.

Are you saying those four countries have little or no interaction with the US? Look at the Swedish arms industry, and think again. Norway and Denmark are both part of NATO, BTW. We're perhaps not dependant on the US, but trade and co-operation, military and otherwise, with the US has certainly helped the Nordic countries.

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):

Guernsey, Malta, Monaco. . I think any of the bigger nations are pretty involved with the U.S. in different matters.



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User currently offlineLijnden From Philippines, joined Apr 2003, 564 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1867 times:
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I can think of the following countries:
France, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Mongolia, Syria, The Lebanon, Rwanda, Zaire (Congo), Angola, Laos, Libya, Kiribati & Tungaru, Sudan, Djibouti, Burkino Faso, Swaziland, Madagascar, Mozambique, Chad, Mali, Malawi, Gabon



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
France, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Mongolia, Syria, The Lebanon, Rwanda, Zaire (Congo), Angola, Laos, Libya, Kiribati & Tungaru, Sudan, Djibouti, Burkino Faso, Swaziland, Madagascar, Mozambique, Chad, Mali, Malawi, Gabon

France and the US definately have something to do with each other.

I would also argue that Cuba interacts with the US-negatively.

Venzualea I belive gets most of her oil money from the US

Mongolia, the US provides military cooperation. One of my brothers buddies did training over there last year.

Lebanon, the US has been involved there.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
Venezuela, North Korea, Iran



Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
Rwanda, Zaire (Congo),



Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
Sudan, Djibouti

Successful?  crazy 



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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
I can think of the following countries:
France, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Mongolia, Syria, The Lebanon, Rwanda, Zaire (Congo), Angola, Laos, Libya, Kiribati & Tungaru, Sudan, Djibouti, Burkino Faso, Swaziland, Madagascar, Mozambique, Chad, Mali, Malawi, Gabon

He specifically asked for successful countries, which basically almost non in your list are, except France and they do have many and deep-going ties with the US.



As for the question at hand, IMHO it is a bit of a non issue, almost all big countries in the world have far going ties with almost all other countries in the world.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

How about Switzerland? They're always neutral! LOL!  wave 


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User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):
As for the question at hand, IMHO it is a bit of a non issue, almost all big countries in the world have far going ties with almost all other countries in the world.

Exactly.

It all depends on the level of involvement with each of them.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

The US is always trying to form a relationship with someone, somwhere. Most countries have some ties to the USA, unless it really doesnt matter on a global scale or on a region scale. My guess in that South Africa would be a much better partner to the US to have than say Swaziland or Lesotho.


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):
Sweden, , Finland.

I would hate to see how Nokia in FInland would do without the US, they have a massive organization in the US . Finland's economy is very much influenced by trade with the US.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 5):
Venzualea I belive gets most of her oil money from the US

It's more the other way round.  Big grin

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1686 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):
What countries out there are successful but have little to no interaction with the US?

There aren't any. The US is deeply involved with every successful country in the world, as well as many unsuccessful ones.

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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):
How about Switzerland

To a large extent, yes, and quite rightly so.


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

It depends to what extent you are talking. I doubt any country has absolutely no trade with the US (with the obvious exceptions of Cuba, N Korea etc). Countries that have few political or military dealings with the US that spring to mind would be Russia, China and maybe New Zealand. Russia is almost entirely self-supportive (although they are dealing with more foreign countries these days), China who again are mostly self supporting, and NZ who compared to many western countries don't play along to the US's every whim like many other countries.

User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 15):
China who again are mostly self supporting

China wouldn't be half of what it is without its US trade.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Successful countries are successful in large part because they trade internationally. To find a nation that is successful without interacting with the largest economy, the greatest importer on the planet would be difficult, for reasons which should be obvious.

Whereas 150 years you could make a case for countries being successful without interaction with the superpower of that era, Britain (especially landlocked countries!), the world is different, with communication instantaneous.

In fact, it's not just a question of the United States. You'd be hard pressed to find a successful country that doesn't trade (and therefore, interacts) with someone like, say, France. The world is that much of a village these days.



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User currently onlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Argentina became successful in the 20th century with virtually no interaction or trade with the United States.

It also stagnated in the middle of the century because it decided to interact with no one, not just the United States.

Argentina is still trying to regain is former status. The lesson there is that trade, even if it's not completely fair, as long is is not mostly unfair, is good.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Successful?



Quoting ArniePie (Reply 7):
He specifically asked for successful countries,

It's Lijnden. He just didn't want to miss an opportunity to mention France in the same breath with some crackpot nations (or what he thinks are crackpot nations).



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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):
Finland.

Doesn't Nokia employ over half the workforce in Finland? I see a lot of people using Nokia cell phones in the US. Then there is also the GSM/UMTS/WiMax infrastructure of companies like Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile also being partly Nokia.  Smile


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting SP90 (Reply 20):
Doesn't Nokia employ over half the workforce in Finland

No way, at least I don't think so. They have a huge impact on Finland, and they bring in upwards of 30% of the market capital in Finland, but half the workforce of the country...I would be very surprised. I do, however, think they are the largest employer in Finland.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 1):
Sweden

Let's not for get that cheap furniture store Ikea that has huge big-box stores throughout the suburbs of the United States.
ABBA is still played in dance clubs across the USA.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
France

Are you serious?
...and how many US made parts does Airbus use and vis-versa?



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 11):
I would hate to see how Nokia in FInland would do without the US, they have a massive organization in the US .

Actually, they wouldn't be doing too bad. India and China are BIG markets for Nokia too and they are constantly growing...


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Quoting SP90 (Reply 20):

Doesn't Nokia employ over half the workforce in finland?

in 2006 Nokia employ some 70,000 world wide (Nokia Siemens Networks not included), 24,000 of them in Finland.
After Finland comes 2) China 3) India 4) US

About US and Finland: in 2006 US was Finland's 5th largest trade partner.


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