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MLB Skippers To Get Axed?  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 85
Posted (7 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
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Houston, we have a problem.

Astros fired Phil Garner today. Whose next?

Drayton wants to talk to Joe Girardi.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Neither of the World Series teams from 2005 is faring very well.....I wonder how close, if at all close, Ozzie Guillen is to getting whacked.....the ChiSox are only 56-74, a game and a half worse than the Stros. Another one I'm thinking may be on the way out is Fredi Gonzales of the Marlins. I've also read that Ron Washington isn't too popular up in Arlington.

Stros also fired Tim Purpura, their GM.....which was needed. Although signing El Caballo was an obvious plus, I had doubts about Woody Williams from the start.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Thinking Joe Torre run is coming to an end with the Yankees regardless how the team finishes. I agree with Tom that Ozzie days in Chicago are also numbered.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Whose next?

Please, God, let it be Jim Tracy.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Please, God, let it be Jim Tracy.

With the exception of Freddie Sanchez, and the possible exception of Jason Bay, Jim Tracy is about the best thing there is about the Pirates.

They should try canning the GM first.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):
Ozzie Guillen is to getting whacked.....

nah, he's safe for one more year. But if ken Williams isn't whacked, I'm gonna be soooo p***ed.... Dye should not still be there.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):

Stros also fired Tim Purpura, their GM.....which was needed. Although signing El Caballo was an obvious plus, I had doubts about Woody Williams from the start.

Yeah, but Lee seemed like a lock. I wanted his head after the Jennings trade (although, I thought he saved his job after the Wigginton trade, but obviously not).

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):
Fredi Gonzales of the Marlins.



Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):
Ron Washington isn't too popular up in Arlington.

 checkmark  with both of those, and I can't think of anyone else...

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Drayton wants to talk to Joe Girardi.

 cloudnine 

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 4):

With the exception of Freddie Sanchez, and the possible exception of Jason Bay, Jim Tracy is about the best thing there is about the Pirates.

They should try canning the GM first.

What the MLB needs to do is, for the sake of the league, buyout the Pirates. The only owner who is worse is Baltimore.

piercey in CLE  Sad



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 5):

What the MLB needs to do is, for the sake of the league, buyout the Pirates. The only owner who is worse is Baltimore.

Very true but is this one of the reasons Joe did not go work for the Baltimore? Are the Astros a better match for Joe?

Hunter



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):

Drayton wants to talk to Joe Girardi.

Everyone wants to talk to him. Girardi was screwed in his last job, despite being the next big thing in managers. Quite frankly, I would hope the Dodgers fire Little and talk to Girardi.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1486 times:
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Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):
Ozzie Guillen

ESPN seems to run a piece ever 4-5 weeks on Guillien and GM Ken Williams love/hate relationship. He's gone.



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Jim Tracy

Why did Tracy leave LA?  confused 


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 4):
With the exception of Freddie Sanchez, and the possible exception of Jason Bay, Jim Tracy is about the best thing there is about the Pirates.

 redflag 

The man plays favorites way too much, self-aggrandizes, and is just an awful manager. Soon after he took over the Bucs he basically made Chris Duffy reinvent his swing and approach to batting. Duffy went from batting .341 to .194. If it ain't broke...

At any rate, I'm not the only Pirates fan who feels Tracy's a hindrance more than "the best thing there is about the Pirates" (and I'd put Jack Wilson, Tom Gorzelanny, PNC Park, the Pirate Parrot, and the Racing Pierogis well above Jim Tracy in the list of "the best thing there is about the Pirates") - http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06172/699920-63.stm

If I had my perfect world, the entire managing staff would be canned - owners on down. The Nuttings care about making money, not fielding a winning team. McClatchy is clueless, Tracy's a putz. Let Cuban buy the Bucs like he's been wanting to do and then let's play ball with an owner who actually cares about winning - maybe it'll finally trickle down onto the field.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 8):

Why did Tracy leave LA?

When they finally got tired of his abject suckage as a manager. He was dumped in 2005.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Seattle lost their manager, Hargrove a few months ago. Disappointing. But that didnt keep Seattle from winning, and surprisingly they are doing well. But the thing is, Seattle NEEDS to can their GM, Bill Bavasi. That guy has got to go if Seattle wants to keep going the way they are. I'm afraid that Bavasi isn't going to allow John McLaren to do much if Seattle reaches the post-season.

Bavasi has got to go!



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
He was dumped in 2005.

At least he was able to get accomplished under his managerialship what hadn't been accomplished since Tommy Lasorda in 1988...namely win a playoff game.....which isn't saying a lot.

I have a feeling Girardi is laying low until the Yanks job comes available...which if they do the fourth quarter squat these next 30-odd days may be coming.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 9):
Let Cuban buy the Bucs like he's been wanting to do

I thought he was after the Cubbies.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
abject suckage

What have the Dodgers done since Tracy left? Get spanked by the Mets.  rotfl 

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):
Girardi is laying low until the Yanks job

 checkmark 


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):

I have a feeling Girardi is laying low until the Yanks job comes available...which if they do the fourth quarter squat these next 30-odd days may be coming.

He may as well forget about it. All signs point to Donnie Baseball taking over in the Bronx

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):

At least he was able to get accomplished under his managerialship what hadn't been accomplished since Tommy Lasorda in 1988...namely win a playoff game.....which isn't saying a lot.

He also let the Dodger clubhouse turn into a zoo, basically allowing Sheffield to run things into the ground.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
But the thing is, Seattle NEEDS to can their GM, Bill Bavasi.

Bavasi isn't a bad GM really, though I think he would be better as a director of scouting or the like. Remember, the Angels you see today had their seeds planted during his time there. He also kept Ichiro happy, which is very important.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 13):

What have the Dodgers done since Tracy left? Get spanked by the Mets.

Hey, I didn't say Grady was much of an improvement. The Dodgers f'ed up when they let Scoscia go to the Angels and need to hire someone with real managerial talent. Honestly, I don't know why they never picked up someone like Leyland.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

Yep, letting Scioscia run to the dreaded cross-SoCal Angels was indeed a big mistake.....just goes to show that even though the Dodgers may have the premier farm system when it comes to players, they don't make the best decisions when it comes to home-grown managerial talent (see Bill Russell).

Tom at MSY (on the CrackBerry)



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):
I wonder how close, if at all close, Ozzie Guillen is to getting whacked

Unless has run-ins with Jay Mariotti again, I'd say he's safe for now.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 15):
just goes to show that even though the Dodgers may have the premier farm system when it comes to players, they don't make the best decisions when it comes to home-grown managerial talent

It's disappointing to see how badly the Dodgers have been at getting managerial talent. From Davey Johnson to Tracy to Little - it's been a nightmare over there. I'd almost say let Orel Hershiser have a crack at it. Anyone who can manage in the way of LaSorda would be a night-to-day change.


User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 1):
Stros also fired Tim Purpura, their GM.....which was needed. Although signing El Caballo was an obvious plus, I had doubts about Woody Williams from the start.



Quoting Piercey (Reply 5):
Yeah, but Lee seemed like a lock. I wanted his head after the Jennings trade (although, I thought he saved his job after the Wigginton trade, but obviously not).

I had doubts about both Jennings (which were confirmed because of his eventual performance and health) and Williams (who has somewhat alleviated them, but not all-the-way). Plus what we gave up (Taveras, Hirsch, Bucholz [sic]) seemed to be way too much.

I understand firing Purpura (he had it long-time coming in my opinion), but I don't understand why Drayton McLane fired Phil Garner. Scrap Iron managed with what he was dealt by Purpura, and did a very good job up until when Purpura made these two bone-head trades. (Carlos Lee and Ty Wiggington are the exception in the Purpura-era). Plus Phil took this team to the World Series for the first time in franchise history and also made an (statistically-impossible) amazing comeback to get us to that point.



War Eagle!
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
He also kept Ichiro happy, which is very important.

Barely. Ichiro doesn't like Bavasi, IIRC. The only reason why Ichiro signed with Seattle for another 5 years is because Hargrove is gone. Just becasue Ichiro signed a 5 year extension doesn't mean he will be with Seattle for those entire 5 years. Ichiro will probably be out of a Seattle uniform within the next 2-3 years.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
Are the Astros a better match for Joe?

Drayton may not spend Boston or NY type $$$, but he will spend it. He's also hands off unless things go down the shitter (see: this season), so this is a much better fit then Baltimore.

btw, anyone else think Baltimore's skipper is on the chopping block after that 30 run bomb?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Everyone wants to talk to him. Girardi was screwed in his last job, despite being the next big thing in managers.

 checkmark 

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
Seattle NEEDS to can their GM, Bill Bavasi.

 checkmark 

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):

I have a feeling Girardi is laying low until the Yanks job comes available...which if they do the fourth quarter squat these next 30-odd days may be coming.

As said above, that's going to Donny Baseball.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 9):
Let Cuban buy the Bucs like he's been wanting to do

I thought he was after the Cubbies.

He's made it no secret that the Cubbies were his second pick.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
He also let the Dodger clubhouse turn into a zoo, basically allowing Sheffield to run things into the ground.

Which clubhouse has Sheffield not run into the ground?

Quoting Da man (Reply 17):
I had doubts about both Jennings (which were confirmed because of his eventual performance and health)

and the sad thing is is the fact he's going to absolutely cash in after this season

Quoting Da man (Reply 17):
Williams (who has somewhat alleviated them, but not all-the-way)

He's a veteran, his job is to guide Albers and Sampson (@ least that's what I tell my self)

Quoting Da man (Reply 17):
I don't understand why Drayton McLane fired Phil Garner.

See last season.

Quoting Da man (Reply 17):
and did a very good job up until when Purpura made these two bone-head trades.

umm.... why did we fire our old pitching coach?

piercey in CLE  Sad



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Pete Mackanin has led my Reds to a league best 29-19 since the beginning of July. This is beginning the rumblings of keeping him around...which hopefully won't happen since the last 2 guys were interims. Reports are the Reds job is there for Tony LaRussa if he wants it. I hate LaRussa with a passion but he's a winner. Reds' owner Bob Castellini was an owner in St. Louis and has close ties with both their GM Walt Jocketty and Manager Tony LaRussa...

User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

I wouldnt be surprised to see Ned Yost canned if the Brewers finish under. 500 this year.

User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
Bavasi has got to go!

I'm not convinced about that. Seattle is winning, aren't they? And they are doing it with Bavasi as GM...


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 22):
Seattle is winning, aren't they? And they are doing it with Bavasi as GM...

Barely. If you look at his ENTIRE time with Seattle, he didnt do crapola for the team. He gave away really good players for crappy ones and the seasons always went to the toilet. This is the very first year for Bavasi to actually have Seattle in the wild card race. That is good, but not good enough. I expected more from Bavasi from the beginning and I have always felt let down. I bet the city of Seattle feels the same way.

I'm judging by his tenture as a Seattle GM as a whole, not just this season. I could care less how he assembled this years team. I'm more worried about the future. Seattle may be successful this season, but perhaps next season they'll be last place in the AL West around this time.

The point: Bavasi sucks! He has got to go!



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Barely. If you look at his ENTIRE time with Seattle,

You're forgetting they had a lot of re-building to do. They had to replace aged players. I think he's done a good job, but ONLY if they continue to be in the playoff race every year.


25 Post contains images AirframeAS : Bavasi had enough time to turn this team around. He failed to do what he is hired to do. The only reason why Seattle is in the re-building mode is be
26 Post contains images Piercey : What? They're talking about the winner of the NL Central could have fewer wins then STL last year. Yost stays. piercey in CLE
27 N1120A : Detroit. That is because Leyland is too good a manger for it. He didn't mind working with him on this deal. I wouldn't be so sure. Ichiro apparently
28 Post contains images Piercey : He's still there. They don't go down the shitter until after he leaves (see: New York) piercey in CLE
29 N1120A : The Dodgers performed better after he left.
30 AirframeAS : That's what Ken Griffey Jr. said before he left Seattle. Yet, where is he now? Oh, a little place called Cincinatti! Anything is possible. Ichiro is
31 N1120A : Remember that Griffey's situation was a unique one. Cincinnati is his home town and where his father played the majority of his career. He took less
32 AirframeAS : You call that unique? I call that backstabbing his fans. He said he wouldn't leave Seattle, but then he backed of his word and ran to Cincinnati. Uni
33 Skyway1 : You can have Griffey back. Take Adam Dunn while you're at it. One thing is for sure...Griff sure doesn't take criticism well...and has proven to not
34 N1120A : I am sure pretty much any MLB team would like to have him on the roster. More like he has proven he can carry underwhelming teams. Dude, he took less
35 AirframeAS : While some fans would love to see him return, most of the fans in Seattle do not want him back. It's his disgusting attitude, his rudeness that he di
36 Tom in NO : They didn't have a choice.....Lasorda had his heart attack on June 24, 1996, and had to resign later on in July. But agreed that they didn't do enoug
37 AirframeAS : Oh, yes it is. He didnt want to BE there in Seattle at all after he said he wanted to remain in Seattle and retire as a Mariner, period! I disagree.
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