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Congratulations Eurostar!  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

I have just heard in the news (Classic FM UK) that the Eurostar beat a new speed record between Paris Gare du Nord and St Pancras Station in London. Travel time from point to point 2 hours and 3 minutes.

This is fantastic !

Congratulations, Eurostar!  bigthumbsup 


This is the article from BBC News on line:

Eurostar has set a new speed record on its inaugural journey from Paris to London via a new high-speed line.

The train, carrying journalists and VIPs, arrived at St Pancras, instead of Waterloo, for the first time. It took 2hrs, 3min and 39sec.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6977211.stm


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

too them long enough to build that highspeed link!


10=2
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

On the UK's side, yes!  Wow!

Quoting Zak (Reply 1):
too them long enough to build that highspeed link!



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
On the UK's side, yes! Wow!

well, the rest of europe already has had highspeedrail for like, ever?  Wink



10=2
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

Makes you wonder why anyone still flies London-Paris. City centre to city centre in two hours? Can flying possibly beat that?

User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
Makes you wonder why anyone still flies London-Paris. City centre to city centre in two hours? Can flying possibly beat that?

Nobody in his right mind flies when going from city center to city center. The only half-viable flying option on the Eurostar route is BRU-LCY on VG. Still takes longer than the train. I'm sure I'll try it once though, for the Fokker 50s they use  Smile

Same goes for flights BRU-CDG. Brussels to Paris is a smooth 1.5 hour ride, cheap (as low as 60 EUR both ways) and extremely reliable.

I love the Thalys and the Eurostar. Makes me feel I live in the London and Paris suburbs at the same time  Smile


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8764 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
Makes you wonder why anyone still flies London-Paris.

PAX connecting at LHR/CDG and people who live closer to LHR than St. Pancras would be candidates. AFAIK, Eurostar isn't exactly cheap either. But then you have the different luggage policies which of course put the train at an advantage.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
City centre to city centre in two hours? Can flying possibly beat that?

If you are indeed travelling from centre to centre or connecting at one of the stations, the train must be impossible to beat by anything less than a private jet. However, a whole load of people do live farther from the centres of London and Paris than from the airports, which changes the equation - if you need an hour and a half to get to the station, you can compare it to half an hour to the airport and an hour for check-in.



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User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Eurostar isn't exactly cheap either

The standard price is 80 EUR both ways.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

500 km/h will be "standard" speed in the not so far away future.
Then will many airlines get a lot of trouble if they are going to
attract passengers on shorter european routes.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
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Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
PAX connecting at LHR/CDG and people who live closer to LHR than St. Pancras would be candidates.

That's exactly right. I can get from home to LHR in a taxi in less than 30 minutes. It would take me a lot longer to get to St. Pancras. Ironically, for me personally, Waterloo is a 30 minute train ride, but St. P requires two tubes on top of the train to Waterloo. If I have luggage, I'm flying from LHR.

I suspect anyone South or West of London will still find flying from LHR or LGW quicker (cost is a separate issue). Those in the East will probably prefer to fly from STN - as long as Ryanair actually fly to Paris and don't drop you off in Brussels and claim it's Paris!  wink 



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
Brussels and claim it's Paris!

Is it not!! With all these high speed trains, it must be difficult to tell.

The train looked magnificent in the clip we got on our TV. Well done, even if a bit late. Will this start to "save" the chunnel?

Are there proposals to run lines with similar capabilities out to the N and W?

Also addressing your woes,Scbriml, in getting to St P, is there any proposal to fix getting across London or to find a way for the tube to be less impossible if you have luggage? Taking luggage can be a bit like an Olympic hurdle race over the marathon course.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 10):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
Brussels and claim it's Paris!

Is it not!! With all these high speed trains, it must be difficult to tell.

Just remembered, really easy to drop in to Waterloo (again) on your way from Brussels to Paris!! Wrong Waterloo though.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1026 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 10):
is there any proposal to fix getting across London or to find a way for the tube to be less impossible if you have luggage? Taking luggage can be a bit like an Olympic hurdle race over the marathon course.

It can be fun, especially if you have to use the tube during rush hour with luggage. And kids. I don't know why any sane person would even consider it. banghead 

I'm not aware of any proposals to "fix" getting across London, and I'm struggling to even conceptualise what could be done to make it easier. To be honest, if I had to do it, I'd get a taxi from Waterloo to St. P, but even that would be a pain (and expensive).



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
I'm not aware of any proposals to "fix" getting across London, and I'm struggling to even conceptualise what could be done to make it easier. To be honest, if I had to do it, I'd get a taxi from Waterloo to St. P, but even that would be a pain (and expensive).

Go back to about 1840 and insist on all stations starting from a common point rather than the fringes of the then city! Not really practicable, although maybe this is a suitable job for Dr Who in one of his episodes!

It is difficult to work out why none of the tube lines were optimised to connect the major stations. Oh I forgot, one of the benefits of private enterprise and its optimal planning. Yes, that explains it all, now I come to think straight.

The tubes not coping with luggage is sort of understandable bearing in mind their main purpose, but if they really want feed to Eurostar, as you write, it would be a good idea to make getting to St P a bit easier.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
It is difficult to work out why none of the tube lines were optimised to connect the major stations.

Erm, the Circle line does that pretty damn well IMO  Smile



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 989 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 14):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
It is difficult to work out why none of the tube lines were optimised to connect the major stations.

Erm, the Circle line does that pretty damn well IMO

Happy to believe that is so, but I seem to need a local to guide me as I always end up making horrendous changes up and down vast escalators wherever I try to get. Don't ask for details, it always seems like a nightmare. I do remember the last time I was on the Circle line there was a bomb scare and we had to go round the "wrong" way to get wherever it was I was going! That was not the designers fault.

To my foreign eyes, the main lines seem so good and the tube lines are good, but getting from one to the other never seems easy.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 977 times:

Awesome news. I love the Eurostar...when in first class, I wish it would actually go slower, because I don't want to have to arrive and leave the train!

I do, however, agree that the Circle line does a pretty good job of conencting many of the major train stations in my favorite city on earth.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
Waterloo is a 30 minute train ride, but St. P requires two tubes on top of the train to Waterloo. If I have luggage, I'm flying from LHR.

Why would you take 2 tubes to St. Pancras? If your trains stop at Vauxhaul, it is only 1 tube.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 942 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Why would you take 2 tubes to St. Pancras? If your trains stop at Vauxhaul, it is only 1 tube.

That would be an option, but none of the trains from my local station stop there. I could change at Clapham, but then I'm just swapping a tube change for a main-line change. A wash as far as I'm concerned.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 18):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Why would you take 2 tubes to St. Pancras? If your trains stop at Vauxhaul, it is only 1 tube.

That would be an option, but none of the trains from my local station stop there. I could change at Clapham, but then I'm just swapping a tube change for a main-line change. A wash as far as I'm concerned.

No wonder I get confused!!


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