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Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany  
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Breaking-

Hey guys just watched TV - this big A**Ho*** wanted to bomb FRA airport and many other cities in Germany .

Police says it could have been worse than Madrid or London


German Police is really doing a great Job !

Konstantin


Update to follow ...

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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Here a link :

In german : Title : We've foiled massive terrorist Attacks .

http://stern.de/politik/deutschland/...-Wir-Bombenanschl%E4ge/596940.html


In English :

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...5/germany.terrorarrests/index.html


They wanted also to attack US Airports.


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Been on the BBC for a while

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6979295.stm



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User currently offlineUnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.

User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Yeah, there seems to be ties with the Al Qaeda linked group that Danish police busted this Monday... One of the apartment blocks (the one seen on CNN) was evacuated because of a suspected presence of explosive materials... That apartment block is only a couple of hundred meters from mine.

It shall be interesting to see what comes out of this, so far Danish police intelligence have been very conservative in their information sharing. While German police was not.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
on the BBC for a while

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I had it on the internet when I started my computer in the office just before 9am (8am British time), so that it of course was "in the news" in the early morning already. But who expects such things really ?!


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14074 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

One interesting quote from the German news article is that one of the arrested is a German who has converted to Islam. First, freshly converted (to any religion) always seem to be the most zealous, secondly it points to a problem with a localy bred generation of islamistic terrorists, similar to Britain, not people from abroad, who try to sneak in.

I hope they get them for attempted mass murder. Life without parole.

Jan


User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Great bust by the German authorities. I spent a lot of time at Ramstein when I was living over in Germany, which makes this a little close to home. Beautiful area, beautiful base...I'm glad that the Germans stopped anything from happening to it.

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
German Police is really doing a great Job !



Quoting KSYR (Reply 7):
Great bust by the German authorities.

I agree completely, good work and kudos to the German Police.

With all the cop-bashing threads we have on A.net it's a refreshing change to have one that is complimentary of law enforcement.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

I suspect that someone gave some believable info to the police to cause a professionally done investigation. There is no doubt that when the police are given such leads, they have well organized and focused specialized investigators, share info between different groups of forces, they can do the job needed. One problem in the USA are the many layers of uncoordinated police and investigative forces that discourages a local police force from disclosing into to the FBI or other forces as don't want to lose the glory of success. I do hope that if there was a serious plot that it is totally busted and discourages others to do such acts in the future.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Holy sh**

Just saw on TV that they got the explosives just some KM away of my Town , the President of the German FBI said that they got the materials in the nears of Freudenstadt , this city is 2 KM away of my house ...


Konstantin


User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 3):
I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.

I tend to disagree on this one, from a German point of view.

We have a big discussion going on here, about "federal Trojans", online computer searches (without a judge's order) and improved surveillance methods. Our state minister claims this is inevitable for "fighting terrorism". A lot of BS is involved in the debate.

Yet, today's arrests show that it is obviously possible to track down terrorists without these new measures.

You cannot get 100% security. We definitely need a well-sized and well-trained police force, no doubt about it. But it makes me wanna throw up when the same people who cut down the police budget every year try to play Mr. Super Security by implementing new laws on a weekly basis that senselessly destroy the individuals' freedom.

Anyway, great job by the police today. Good to know that there seem to be at least some professionals at work.

Edit: typos.

[Edited 2007-09-05 14:45:20]

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Also a great work by the german secret service BND , I'm sure they gave the first clue to the Police ...

User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Gute Arbeit! Big grin  thumbsup 

I admire a police force that will use its balls before using its guns.  yes 


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

I'm glad this potential horror scenario was avoided. The Germans seem to have their act together in terms of counter-terrorism. By US target in Germany I assume they mean military and governmental installations, which strikes me as foolish.

Quoting Queso (Reply 11):
Oh brother. I can't imagine what country you are comparing that to. Flamebait.

If you bothered to read the guys posts before instinctively reaching for your uber-patriot hat you would have read that he actually mentions the USA in the post above the one you quoted. But please don't let that stop you from playing the victimized American, sticking up for his country against the heathen masses of A.net  Yeah sure

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 19):
Nice lame ass attempt at a thread hijack and turning this into a "Let's bash the USA" thread

I'm guessing you work in law enforcement. If you didn't I think you would not have been so offended by what Zak typed. All he was trying to say (as far as I can tell) is that sometimes the softer approach is better.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 13):
We have just as many individual rights and we pioneered the concept.

hahahaha yeah I suppose you also "created" gravity and sunlight. If you can figure out how to use google, maybe you should spend some time reading up on individual rights.

YOWza



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
If you bothered to read the guys posts before instinctively reaching for your uber-patriot hat you would have read that he actually mentions the USA in the post above the one you quoted. But please don't let that stop you from playing the victimized American, sticking up for his country against the heathen masses of A.net  

BS - It was flamebait. And now it's gone, so I guess the mods thought so too.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
I'm guessing you work in law enforcement.

Guessing?? You haven't paid much attention to non-av have you?

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
All he was trying to say (as far as I can tell) is that sometimes the softer approach is better.

Then he should have stated it like you did.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14074 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
I suspect that someone gave some believable info to the police to cause a professionally done investigation. There is no doubt that when the police are given such leads, they have well organized and focused specialized investigators, share info between different groups of forces, they can do the job needed. One problem in the USA are the many layers of uncoordinated police and investigative forces that discourages a local police force from disclosing into to the FBI or other forces as don't want to lose the glory of success. I do hope that if there was a serious plot that it is totally busted and discourages others to do such acts in the future.

Note that the actual arrest was made by a specialist anti-terrorist unit, the GSG-9, which is part of the federal police, while the local state police was securing the perimeter. No local police commander botching the job because he wannted to grab the glory for himself and his unit, just get those who are trained and equipped for doing a specialist job and let them do the job. Still, apparently a state police officer on the perimeter got the last suspect, who jumped out of a window.

I assume that the information came from the chemicals dealers, who noted that somebody without proper credentials was ordering huge amounts of potentially dangerous chemicals.

Jan

[Edited 2007-09-05 16:11:10]

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 8):
cop-bashing threads

well, here is an opportunity to praise and compliment the policemen involved for their success in the struggle against terrorism and other organised crime. And to read that 300 men covered the culprits for many months without having been detected is mind-boggling !


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
First, freshly converted (to any religion) always seem to be the most zealous,

Well, there is and old saying in Slovakia, that's there since the Osman Empire: " Poturcenec horsi turka"; translated: Turk convert is worse that the real one. (apologies to out Turkish friends)

I'd say it's perfectly understandable. People who converted to a different religion did so, because they already had some personal problem with the old religion and apparently have a desire to do something against it.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
that one of the arrested is a German

according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine
www.faz.net/s/RubF359F74E867B46C1A18...D0F24B7~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
two of the three are Germans and one a Turk. But apparently, more suspects are to be taken into custody soon anyway
-

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 10):
in the nears of Freudenstadt , this city is 2 KM away of my house ...

in other words, your house is "in the nears of Freudenstadt" ?
-


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
in other words, your house is "in the nears of Freudenstadt" ?
-

yes sir


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

ahem, my slightly modified 2 cents on the subject, now well composed into a relevant message and reposted  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  wink 

Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 3):
I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.

what are you referring to? i am curious as to which piece of german legislation you refer to, since it is not clear and certainly, as some already pointed out above, your statement is kind of unprecise on this.
also, i would like to know in which context you are referring to people in germany bitching and moaning about extra inconvenience and extra security, after all, the only area where such "citizen inconvenient" things were introduced were airline related security checks, which dont apply here at all.
i'd like to point out that, incase you imply it, draconic legislation of the patriot act type does not exist in germany nor was it introduced with the revision of terrorism related legislation, which was updated from RAF to modern times recently.



10=2
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 15):

Guessing?? You haven't paid much attention to non-av have you?

Is he some sort of A.net celebrity or something? I don't really put a lot of stock into online fame, I prefer interacting with real people. But that's just me.

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 15):

BS - It was flamebait. And now it's gone, so I guess the mods thought so too.

Fair enough.

All the bickering aside it's good that this was resolved cleanly by the Germans. I sure we can all agree on at least that.

YOWza



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
All the bickering aside it's good that this was resolved cleanly by the Germans. I sure we can all agree on at least that.

 checkmark  Without question.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
Is he some sort of A.net celebrity or something?

Nah - but he, along with the many other LEOs in the non-av forum have been mentioned many times. I figured it was pretty common knowledge.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Congratulations to the hardworking security forces !

Can you imagine how bad ass the German special security sections must be. Sorry to seam so dripping , but I sure can think of a whole lot of other people I would rather have investigating me. !

Good job , and thanks



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25 Zak : thanks. i am a strong proponent that an overhyped security actually helps the cause of terrorists with the "muslim extremist" background. they fear n
26 LTU932 : Extra security is OK, but the problem is when these measures spread paranoia. Have a look at when you fly LY. They probably have the strictest of sec
27 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Reading about John Locke would be a great place to start.
28 Itsjustme : My profession is irrelevant to this thread just as the post with which I took exception was. The actions of the officers are to be commended and undo
29 YOWza : I was just sharing my interpretation of another poster's remarks. I said nothing about the US, US gun control laws, or anything else US-related and I
30 ORFflyer : And the same could be said for the thug had he took a bullet from a "harder approach"
31 MD11Engineer : Ok, from what I gathered from listening to various serious radio stations last night the whole thing went like this: Apparently some members of the gr
32 Zak : in the original press conference, it was said that he tried to apprehend him, however during this, he lost control of his weapon, a shot injured the
33 MD11Engineer : Then I missunderstood it. I was driving to work when I listened to the broadcast on WDR 5. BTW, I don't like the way Schaeuble is now pushing for the
34 Post contains images LTU932 : IMO Schäuble is going a bit too far with that. I mean, wiretaps (as long as a court order authorises them of course), extra security searches at air
35 Zak : it is even more stupid considering that with LITTLE effort and knowledge, it can be made 100% useless. if someone wants to do things no good, its easy
36 Stratofish : Easy guys... so far I am far from convinced they are telling us the truth. It is much more likely that it is only a big scam, brought up by the likes
37 Zak : hey, he wanted to further increase our safety and security last week, dont you remember, by changing the gun laws and make them more liberal. i have
38 ZakHH : Zak, are you from Germany (or studying here)? Asking, cause you seem to have quite some insight into German politics. Cheers Zak (the other one)
39 Baroque : I read this thread last night, and was so miffed by the mess that I gave up. However, the thread seems to have calmed down and I don't even want to k
40 Post contains images Haggis79 : I really do like this part of the story.... and I wholeheartedly agree on that... I don't want Germany to be turned into a police state, either... bu
41 TheCol : Dude, are you for real?
42 Bozo :
43 Itsjustme : Asinine statement from another armchair quarterback. Your "softer approach" is what nearly got the officer killed. If I'm in a foot pursuit with some
44 Post contains images Toast : Still kudos to the people who busted those wretched fuckers. However, N24 could have spared its viewers the interview with the lame-ass mayor of the
45 ME AVN FAN : - Is Schaeuble a shareholder of an internet-company ? I am quite confident that you in no time can buy "government online trojan removing programs",
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